Mitch Wishnowsky - Punter (Utah) is a 49er

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by thl408:

Someone went through the trouble to crunch some numbers and concluded that a 49er 4th rounder has a 83% bust rate. I look at that as a 17% hit rate that I wouldn't mind taking a flier on with a mid 4th rounder. The draft experts said that there was value in the mid rounds. I wouldn't know, but it's not like there is a lot of competition at backup OG/OT/FS. A gamble on a mid 4th round OL/DB might amount to something that's better than Magnusson, SColeman, Exum.

"Well which player would you have taken?". I don't know. My big board consisted of 2 prospects (Bosa, QW) so I never scouted the top 150. That's for Kyle to trust his scouts and take a BPA at a non-ST position. Then go ahead and settle for a middling punter in the 7th/UDFA.

By that point in the 4th round, there really wasn't meaningful difference between the caliber of OL available and Ross Reynolds that they brought in via UDFA.


Its going to be interesting to follow up on the players taken after Wishnowsky. Even with Pinion, as much as people complained you'd have thought that the 49ers missed on numerous star players.







These are the 20 guys taken right after Pinion.

Joe Cardona-Long Snapper-NE
Status-Long snapper for NE

Damian Swann-CB-NO
Status-AAF Legend


Michael Burton-FB-DET
Status-Out of the NFL

David Mayo-LB-CAR
Status-Special teamer now w 49ers


Tye Smith-CB-SEA
Status-Cut by SEA and WAS, now a reserve with TEN.


Nick Boyle-TE-BAL
Status-#2 TE with Baltimore, 700 career receiving yards.



DJ Alexander-LB-KC
Status-Special teamer now with his fourth NFL team.


James O'Shaughnessy-TE-KC
Status-Now with his third NFL team, 500 career receiving yards.


Cameron Artis-Payne-RB-CAR
Status-Reserve RB, 420 career rushing yards


Keith Mumphrey-WR-HOU
Status-Out of the league

Robert Myers-OG-BAL
Status-AAF

Deiontrez Mount-LB-TEN
Status-Out of the league


Matthew Wells-LB-NE
Status-Out of the league


Max Valles-OAK-DE
Status-Out of the league

Michael Bennett-DT-JAX
Status-Reserve DL for ATL.


Kyshoen Jarrett-S-WAS
Status-Out of the league


Tevin Mitchel-CB-WAS
Status-Out of the league

Tayo Fabuluje-OT-CHI
Status-AAF


Kaelin Clay-WR-TAM
Status-Out of league

Tyrus Thompson-OT-MIN
Status Out of league

Pinion was a major disappointment and is still far better than the majority of guys taken right after him.

People see a Kittle or Antonio Brown and think that every draft has top tier mid round prospects in it. Sorry, but no. Most of the guys drafted outside of the top 3 rounds usually end up as nothing but depth players and their biggest contributions come on special teams. Why the hell would you risk missing out on one of the best punters to come out in years for that?

Originally posted by Nastastical:
People see a Kittle or Antonio Brown and think that every draft has top tier mid round prospects in it. Sorry, but no. Most of the guys drafted outside of the top 3 rounds usually end up as nothing but depth players and their biggest contributions come on special teams. Why the hell would you risk missing out on one of the best punters to come out in years for that?

If that's true then I'm underestimating Wishy.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Nastastical:

People see a Kittle or Antonio Brown and think that every draft has top tier mid round prospects in it. Sorry, but no. Most of the guys drafted outside of the top 3 rounds usually end up as nothing but depth players and their biggest contributions come on special teams. Why the hell would you risk missing out on one of the best punters to come out in years for that?

If that's true then I'm underestimating Wishy.

LOL. You're not.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by thl408:

Someone went through the trouble to crunch some numbers and concluded that a 49er 4th rounder has a 83% bust rate. I look at that as a 17% hit rate that I wouldn't mind taking a flier on with a mid 4th rounder. The draft experts said that there was value in the mid rounds. I wouldn't know, but it's not like there is a lot of competition at backup OG/OT/FS. A gamble on a mid 4th round OL/DB might amount to something that's better than Magnusson, SColeman, Exum.

"Well which player would you have taken?". I don't know. My big board consisted of 2 prospects (Bosa, QW) so I never scouted the top 150. That's for Kyle to trust his scouts and take a BPA at a non-ST position. Then go ahead and settle for a middling punter in the 7th/UDFA.

By that point in the 4th round, there really wasn't meaningful difference between the caliber of OL available and Ross Reynolds that they brought in via UDFA.


Its going to be interesting to follow up on the players taken after Wishnowsky. Even with Pinion, as much as people complained you'd have thought that the 49ers missed on numerous star players.







These are the 20 guys taken right after Pinion.

Joe Cardona-Long Snapper-NE
Status-Long snapper for NE

Damian Swann-CB-NO
Status-AAF Legend


Michael Burton-FB-DET
Status-Out of the NFL

David Mayo-LB-CAR
Status-Special teamer now w 49ers


Tye Smith-CB-SEA
Status-Cut by SEA and WAS, now a reserve with TEN.


Nick Boyle-TE-BAL
Status-#2 TE with Baltimore, 700 career receiving yards.



DJ Alexander-LB-KC
Status-Special teamer now with his fourth NFL team.


James O'Shaughnessy-TE-KC
Status-Now with his third NFL team, 500 career receiving yards.


Cameron Artis-Payne-RB-CAR
Status-Reserve RB, 420 career rushing yards


Keith Mumphrey-WR-HOU
Status-Out of the league

Robert Myers-OG-BAL
Status-AAF

Deiontrez Mount-LB-TEN
Status-Out of the league


Matthew Wells-LB-NE
Status-Out of the league


Max Valles-OAK-DE
Status-Out of the league

Michael Bennett-DT-JAX
Status-Reserve DL for ATL.


Kyshoen Jarrett-S-WAS
Status-Out of the league


Tevin Mitchel-CB-WAS
Status-Out of the league

Tayo Fabuluje-OT-CHI
Status-AAF


Kaelin Clay-WR-TAM
Status-Out of league

Tyrus Thompson-OT-MIN
Status Out of league

Pinion was a major disappointment and is still far better than the majority of guys taken right after him.

Good post. As I pointed out a few pages back, Kendall Hunter has been our best and really only serviceable 4th round pick the past 10 years.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by thl408:
Someone went through the trouble to crunch some numbers and concluded that a 49er 4th rounder has a 83% bust rate. I look at that as a 17% hit rate that I wouldn't mind taking a flier on with a mid 4th rounder. The draft experts said that there was value in the mid rounds. I wouldn't know, but it's not like there is a lot of competition at backup OG/OT/FS. A gamble on a mid 4th round OL/DB might amount to something that's better than Magnusson, SColeman, Exum.

"Well which player would you have taken?". I don't know. My big board consisted of 2 prospects (Bosa, QW) so I never scouted the top 150. That's for Kyle to trust his scouts and take a BPA at a non-ST position. Then go ahead and settle for a middling punter in the 7th/UDFA.

By that point in the 4th round, there really wasn't meaningful difference between the caliber of OL available and Ross Reynolds that they brought in via UDFA.

Its going to be interesting to follow up on the players taken after Wishnowsky. Even with Pinion, as much as people complained you'd have thought that the 49ers missed on numerous star players.

These are the 20 guys taken right after Pinion.

Joe Cardona-Long Snapper-NE
Status-Long snapper for NE

Damian Swann-CB-NO
Status-AAF Legend

Michael Burton-FB-DET
Status-Out of the NFL

David Mayo-LB-CAR
Status-Special teamer now w 49ers

Tye Smith-CB-SEA
Status-Cut by SEA and WAS, now a reserve with TEN.

Nick Boyle-TE-BAL
Status-#2 TE with Baltimore, 700 career receiving yards.

DJ Alexander-LB-KC
Status-Special teamer now with his fourth NFL team.

James O'Shaughnessy-TE-KC
Status-Now with his third NFL team, 500 career receiving yards.

Cameron Artis-Payne-RB-CAR
Status-Reserve RB, 420 career rushing yards

Keith Mumphrey-WR-HOU
Status-Out of the league

Robert Myers-OG-BAL
Status-AAF

Deiontrez Mount-LB-TEN
Status-Out of the league

Matthew Wells-LB-NE
Status-Out of the league

Max Valles-OAK-DE
Status-Out of the league

Michael Bennett-DT-JAX
Status-Reserve DL for ATL.

Kyshoen Jarrett-S-WAS
Status-Out of the league

Tevin Mitchel-CB-WAS
Status-Out of the league

Tayo Fabuluje-OT-CHI
Status-AAF

Kaelin Clay-WR-TAM
Status-Out of league

Tyrus Thompson-OT-MIN
Status Out of league

Pinion was a major disappointment and is still far better than the majority of guys taken right after him.

thats the problem with most the dramatically negative posts on this thread....people grossly over-estimate the value of a 4th round pick.

The odds of a 4th rounder starting for multiple years is around 15%. A little more then 1 out of 10 even get a 5th year in the NFL.

And guess what......

THATS PERFECTLY OK....

Draft picks are made for gambling....its what you do with them. Betting on the best punting prospect in recent memory is a great bet.

where can i get his jersey?

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by thl408:

Someone went through the trouble to crunch some numbers and concluded that a 49er 4th rounder has a 83% bust rate. I look at that as a 17% hit rate that I wouldn't mind taking a flier on with a mid 4th rounder. The draft experts said that there was value in the mid rounds. I wouldn't know, but it's not like there is a lot of competition at backup OG/OT/FS. A gamble on a mid 4th round OL/DB might amount to something that's better than Magnusson, SColeman, Exum.

"Well which player would you have taken?". I don't know. My big board consisted of 2 prospects (Bosa, QW) so I never scouted the top 150. That's for Kyle to trust his scouts and take a BPA at a non-ST position. Then go ahead and settle for a middling punter in the 7th/UDFA.

By that point in the 4th round, there really wasn't meaningful difference between the caliber of OL available and Ross Reynolds that they brought in via UDFA.

Its going to be interesting to follow up on the players taken after Wishnowsky. Even with Pinion, as much as people complained you'd have thought that the 49ers missed on numerous star players.

These are the 20 guys taken right after Pinion.

Joe Cardona-Long Snapper-NE
Status-Long snapper for NE

Damian Swann-CB-NO
Status-AAF Legend

Michael Burton-FB-DET
Status-Out of the NFL

David Mayo-LB-CAR
Status-Special teamer now w 49ers

Tye Smith-CB-SEA
Status-Cut by SEA and WAS, now a reserve with TEN.

Nick Boyle-TE-BAL
Status-#2 TE with Baltimore, 700 career receiving yards.

DJ Alexander-LB-KC
Status-Special teamer now with his fourth NFL team.

James O'Shaughnessy-TE-KC
Status-Now with his third NFL team, 500 career receiving yards.

Cameron Artis-Payne-RB-CAR
Status-Reserve RB, 420 career rushing yards

Keith Mumphrey-WR-HOU
Status-Out of the league

Robert Myers-OG-BAL
Status-AAF

Deiontrez Mount-LB-TEN
Status-Out of the league

Matthew Wells-LB-NE
Status-Out of the league

Max Valles-OAK-DE
Status-Out of the league

Michael Bennett-DT-JAX
Status-Reserve DL for ATL.

Kyshoen Jarrett-S-WAS
Status-Out of the league

Tevin Mitchel-CB-WAS
Status-Out of the league

Tayo Fabuluje-OT-CHI
Status-AAF

Kaelin Clay-WR-TAM
Status-Out of league

Tyrus Thompson-OT-MIN
Status Out of league

Pinion was a major disappointment and is still far better than the majority of guys taken right after him.

thats the problem with most the dramatically negative posts on this thread....people grossly over-estimate the value of a 4th round pick.

The odds of a 4th rounder starting for multiple years is around 15%. A little more then 1 out of 10 even get a 5th year in the NFL.

And guess what......

THATS PERFECTLY OK....

Draft picks are made for gambling....its what you do with them. Betting on the best punting prospect in recent memory is a great bet.

This is why I'll always support trading draft picks for established NFL talent. I get that rookies offer affordable contracts and you need that in the salary cap era, but teams with cap space who pass on legit NFL starting caliber players because they rather hold onto that 3rd or later draft picks, I simply can't understand? Draft picks outside of the first round carry way too much value considering the risk of those rookies failing.

This is why I have no problem with the Wishnowsky selection. The chances of him being a bust are incredibly low compared to the average mid rounder at other positions.

The webzone article about this pick kind of shows how much bias people have with the draft. The grass is always greener, the best player available was never the player the team picked... yada yada yada.

A 65-yard punt that pins the Rams or Chiefs inside their own 10-yard line is a good start, but we live in an NFL full of high-powered offenses that destroy weak secondaries and exploit linebackers who overpursue running lanes.

I hope I'm woefully wrong and overblowing a fourth-round draft pick; otherwise, each sack, blown coverage or bad punt is going to hang like a black cloud over the 2019 season.

Talk about some holier than thou idiocy. By that reasoning there is no point in having a great punter, offenses are just gonna score anyways. Sh*t why even field a defense? Just throw offenses out there and the first dropped pass loses the game. Oh but a 4th round punter is now the reason for sacks and blown coverages and even if he is a great punter, one shank and its a throwaway pick.

Im not a fan of the pick but it's far from throwing a pick away. Less than 20% of the players picked after round 2 are still on the roster of the team that drafted them in their 5 year. Some cash in, but most are out of the league, the rest relegated to depth/special teamers. But who knows, we may have missed out on the next Bruce Ellington, Dontae Johnson, Rashard Robinson, Joe Williams, Blake Bell, Mike Davis or Smelter. All key contributors and stalwarts of this franchise. Just looking back to 2015 (probably the best 4th round in a while) out of 4 classes there are only 4 players that really jump out in Trey Flowers, Zadarius Smith, Dak Prescott and Jamison Crowder. 3 of those guys were in 2015's class.

As much as I hate the spot he was picked, a punter will actually impact games during the season and it makes sense to try and secure a top talent in that position. A position where college play translates to the NFL the most. If no one else wow'd them for value in the 4th, then I'm alright with the pick when the alternative is basically a 1/32 dice roll for a starter or 1/5 chance that the player picked would provide any value to the team past his rookie contract.

Originally posted by Nastastical:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by thl408:

Someone went through the trouble to crunch some numbers and concluded that a 49er 4th rounder has a 83% bust rate. I look at that as a 17% hit rate that I wouldn't mind taking a flier on with a mid 4th rounder. The draft experts said that there was value in the mid rounds. I wouldn't know, but it's not like there is a lot of competition at backup OG/OT/FS. A gamble on a mid 4th round OL/DB might amount to something that's better than Magnusson, SColeman, Exum.

"Well which player would you have taken?". I don't know. My big board consisted of 2 prospects (Bosa, QW) so I never scouted the top 150. That's for Kyle to trust his scouts and take a BPA at a non-ST position. Then go ahead and settle for a middling punter in the 7th/UDFA.

By that point in the 4th round, there really wasn't meaningful difference between the caliber of OL available and Ross Reynolds that they brought in via UDFA.

Its going to be interesting to follow up on the players taken after Wishnowsky. Even with Pinion, as much as people complained you'd have thought that the 49ers missed on numerous star players.

These are the 20 guys taken right after Pinion.

Joe Cardona-Long Snapper-NE
Status-Long snapper for NE

Damian Swann-CB-NO
Status-AAF Legend

Michael Burton-FB-DET
Status-Out of the NFL

David Mayo-LB-CAR
Status-Special teamer now w 49ers

Tye Smith-CB-SEA
Status-Cut by SEA and WAS, now a reserve with TEN.

Nick Boyle-TE-BAL
Status-#2 TE with Baltimore, 700 career receiving yards.

DJ Alexander-LB-KC
Status-Special teamer now with his fourth NFL team.

James O'Shaughnessy-TE-KC
Status-Now with his third NFL team, 500 career receiving yards.

Cameron Artis-Payne-RB-CAR
Status-Reserve RB, 420 career rushing yards

Keith Mumphrey-WR-HOU
Status-Out of the league

Robert Myers-OG-BAL
Status-AAF

Deiontrez Mount-LB-TEN
Status-Out of the league

Matthew Wells-LB-NE
Status-Out of the league

Max Valles-OAK-DE
Status-Out of the league

Michael Bennett-DT-JAX
Status-Reserve DL for ATL.

Kyshoen Jarrett-S-WAS
Status-Out of the league

Tevin Mitchel-CB-WAS
Status-Out of the league

Tayo Fabuluje-OT-CHI
Status-AAF

Kaelin Clay-WR-TAM
Status-Out of league

Tyrus Thompson-OT-MIN
Status Out of league

Pinion was a major disappointment and is still far better than the majority of guys taken right after him.

thats the problem with most the dramatically negative posts on this thread....people grossly over-estimate the value of a 4th round pick.

The odds of a 4th rounder starting for multiple years is around 15%. A little more then 1 out of 10 even get a 5th year in the NFL.

And guess what......

THATS PERFECTLY OK....

Draft picks are made for gambling....its what you do with them. Betting on the best punting prospect in recent memory is a great bet.

This is why I'll always support trading draft picks for established NFL talent. I get that rookies offer affordable contracts and you need that in the salary cap era, but teams with cap space who pass on legit NFL starting caliber players because they rather hold onto that 3rd or later draft picks, I simply can't understand? Draft picks outside of the first round carry way too much value considering the risk of those rookies failing.

This is why I have no problem with the Wishnowsky selection. The chances of him being a bust are incredibly low compared to the average mid rounder at other positions.

I mean, at this point, our FO might as well petition to have the NFL just remove rounds 4-7. What's the point? If punters are the only 10-year guaranteed starters and HOF-worthy players that could come out of those lowly rounds, what's the point? We could do just rounds 1-3 all in one day!

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Nastastical:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by thl408:

Someone went through the trouble to crunch some numbers and concluded that a 49er 4th rounder has a 83% bust rate. I look at that as a 17% hit rate that I wouldn't mind taking a flier on with a mid 4th rounder. The draft experts said that there was value in the mid rounds. I wouldn't know, but it's not like there is a lot of competition at backup OG/OT/FS. A gamble on a mid 4th round OL/DB might amount to something that's better than Magnusson, SColeman, Exum.

"Well which player would you have taken?". I don't know. My big board consisted of 2 prospects (Bosa, QW) so I never scouted the top 150. That's for Kyle to trust his scouts and take a BPA at a non-ST position. Then go ahead and settle for a middling punter in the 7th/UDFA.

By that point in the 4th round, there really wasn't meaningful difference between the caliber of OL available and Ross Reynolds that they brought in via UDFA.

Its going to be interesting to follow up on the players taken after Wishnowsky. Even with Pinion, as much as people complained you'd have thought that the 49ers missed on numerous star players.

These are the 20 guys taken right after Pinion.

Joe Cardona-Long Snapper-NE
Status-Long snapper for NE

Damian Swann-CB-NO
Status-AAF Legend

Michael Burton-FB-DET
Status-Out of the NFL

David Mayo-LB-CAR
Status-Special teamer now w 49ers

Tye Smith-CB-SEA
Status-Cut by SEA and WAS, now a reserve with TEN.

Nick Boyle-TE-BAL
Status-#2 TE with Baltimore, 700 career receiving yards.

DJ Alexander-LB-KC
Status-Special teamer now with his fourth NFL team.

James O'Shaughnessy-TE-KC
Status-Now with his third NFL team, 500 career receiving yards.

Cameron Artis-Payne-RB-CAR
Status-Reserve RB, 420 career rushing yards

Keith Mumphrey-WR-HOU
Status-Out of the league

Robert Myers-OG-BAL
Status-AAF

Deiontrez Mount-LB-TEN
Status-Out of the league

Matthew Wells-LB-NE
Status-Out of the league

Max Valles-OAK-DE
Status-Out of the league

Michael Bennett-DT-JAX
Status-Reserve DL for ATL.

Kyshoen Jarrett-S-WAS
Status-Out of the league

Tevin Mitchel-CB-WAS
Status-Out of the league

Tayo Fabuluje-OT-CHI
Status-AAF

Kaelin Clay-WR-TAM
Status-Out of league

Tyrus Thompson-OT-MIN
Status Out of league

Pinion was a major disappointment and is still far better than the majority of guys taken right after him.

thats the problem with most the dramatically negative posts on this thread....people grossly over-estimate the value of a 4th round pick.

The odds of a 4th rounder starting for multiple years is around 15%. A little more then 1 out of 10 even get a 5th year in the NFL.

And guess what......

THATS PERFECTLY OK....

Draft picks are made for gambling....its what you do with them. Betting on the best punting prospect in recent memory is a great bet.

This is why I'll always support trading draft picks for established NFL talent. I get that rookies offer affordable contracts and you need that in the salary cap era, but teams with cap space who pass on legit NFL starting caliber players because they rather hold onto that 3rd or later draft picks, I simply can't understand? Draft picks outside of the first round carry way too much value considering the risk of those rookies failing.

This is why I have no problem with the Wishnowsky selection. The chances of him being a bust are incredibly low compared to the average mid rounder at other positions.

I mean, at this point, our FO might as well petition to have the NFL just remove rounds 4-7. What's the point? If punters are the only 10-year guaranteed starters and HOF-worthy players that could come out of those lowly rounds, what's the point? We could do just rounds 1-3 all in one day!

No one is saying that. What I am saying though is people put too much stock in mid round picks that are basically lottery tickets. Way more fail than work out and their value should take that into consideration, but that never happens. I'd much rather gamble on someone like Tomlinson in a trade using that mid rounder.

Originally posted by NCommand:
I mean, at this point, our FO might as well petition to have the NFL just remove rounds 4-7. What's the point? If punters are the only 10-year guaranteed starters and HOF-worthy players that could come out of those lowly rounds, what's the point? We could do just rounds 1-3 all in one day!

money...the reason is money.

The reason people don't get a 5th year is money. Year 1 is @500k year 5 is @800k

That 300ish k difference adds up when you are talking 10 to 20 players.

Teams need those extra rounds for the cheap bodies. 4th/5th/6th/7th every 4 years. That is a cycle of 16ish bodies that wash in and out every 4 years that keep the current salary cap model afloat.

Originally posted by Nastastical:

No one is saying that. What I am saying though is people put too much stock in mid round picks that are basically lottery tickets. Way more fail than work out and their value should take that into consideration, but that never happens. I'd much rather gamble on someone like Tomlinson in a trade using that mid rounder.

I get you but you're missing an important point.

The entire draft is a crap shoot. 32 players go in a first round and only half end up a starter with varying levels of quality to boot. The odds decrease every round on average after that.

But every year teams s**t the bed on first rounders (Foster/Thomas) and hit homeruns in the back end (Kittle).

You don't just bypass that chance for a punter. A punter is just as likely to bomb in the 4th as an UDFA is to be a stud.

PS: I like your thought process in late round trades. A lot.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Nastastical:
People see a Kittle or Antonio Brown and think that every draft has top tier mid round prospects in it. Sorry, but no. Most of the guys drafted outside of the top 3 rounds usually end up as nothing but depth players and their biggest contributions come on special teams. Why the hell would you risk missing out on one of the best punters to come out in years for that?

If that's true then I'm underestimating Wishy.

I mean most times if you're talking ST players it's rounds 5-7. If your guy get taken just take the next best guy. This guy does have a particular set of skills none of the other punters have. lolz

SF did trade down from 104 to 110 and gained 2 six round picks. They got an extra OL and CB.

two Safeties and a CB were taken ahead of them between 105-109. Maybe they thought they could trade down and get one of them???? IF they did lose out on a player they wanted maybe they just said F it and took the Punter they had rated higher than a 5th rounder????

Originally posted by NCommand:

In this interview from @7Sport, @mitchwish talks about how he came to the USA with only a couple hundred bucks and ended up becoming a 3-time All American and Punter of the Year for @Utah_Football.

Mitch Wishnowsky recently signed a 4-year rookie tender of $4.6M for the #49ers. pic.twitter.com/RK9O0QqAEa

— Alex Tran (@NinerAlex) May 6, 2019

Only $400 in his pocket at the time of the interview. No wonder he signed up so quickly. Poor guy needs a drink.