Mitch Wishnowsky - Punter (Utah) is a 49er

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

OTC did some research on kickers. Feel free to PM him.


Also, that's not too difficult to look up on your own for punters specifically.

But why is that?

The reason why there isn't much difference between a 5th round punter and an UDFA is because of the 32 teams annually, usually just 1 or 2 need a punter. So the difference between the top punter (5th) and the 4th (UDFA) isn't significant usually and the skill set doesn't vary much compared to a power RG vs. zone blocking RG. By the time a G is picked 5th-7th, the top ones are usually long gone no matter the system/skill set.

We talking punters, what do kickers have to do with that?

Lol was thinking the same thing

Yeah, that was part of the Gould thread to say why I am hesitant to draft a kicker over signing a proven vet or developing a current UDFA like Jon Brown who is entering his 2nd season. Both the latter options seemed to be supported by that research as superior options. Punters on the other hand are a different story. Haven't looked up that info, but a quick look-up is pretty easy.

Among top 10 punters in terms of average last year, the majority were drafted. See below their rank and round picked.

1. Michael Dickson (5th)
2. Andy Lee (6th)
3. Sam Koch (6th)
4. Cameron Johnston (UDFA)
5. Brett Kern (UDFA)
6. Matt Bosher (6th)
7. Britton Colquitt (UDFA)
8. Rigoberto Sanchez (UDFA)
9. Lachlan Edwards (7th)
T10. Matt Wile (UDFA)
T10. Bryan Anger (3rd)
T10. Pat O'Donnell (6th)

So there was a three-way tie for 10th, but as you can see, it was more common for top NFL punters to be drafted. Although only one in the top 10 went in the 4th or earlier. Still, 7/12 drafted if you count the ones tied for 10th. Time will tell if we overdrafted Wishnowsky. He better be really good for us to take him that early instead of waiting to get Bailey from Stanford instead. In this case, the value was inflated by pressure of another team who was definitely willing to take a punter in the 5th and might've been willing to take a different player in the 4th.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Yes, it was great to see them put out valid stats and rankings of actual punters vs throwing out a random blurb about Kickers as evidence to support their view

Originally posted by NCommand:
Not different. PK's are valued more and go as high as the first round and OTC noted the most successful were UDFA's. Therefore, where are the best punters coming from? The mass majority of both come from 5th-UDFA and for good reason.

Now, of the punters drafted in rounds 1-4, how did they turn out? Any better than 5-UDFA?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Yes, it was great to see them put out valid stats and rankings of actual punters vs throwing out a random blurb about Kickers as evidence to support their view

Totally. The best of the WZ. Now we've got a nice thread with lots of valid info to support both sides of the perspective...good stuff from the old Pinion thread too.

I'm wondering if we're the only fan base who's ever dove this deep into a P before? LOL.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Yes, it was great to see them put out valid stats and rankings of actual punters vs throwing out a random blurb about Kickers as evidence to support their view

Totally. The best of the WZ. Now we've got a nice thread with lots of valid info to support both sides of the perspective...good stuff from the old Pinion thread too.

I'm wondering if we're the only fan base who's ever dove this deep into a P before? LOL.

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
You know times are tough when there are 71 pages dedicated to a punter.

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

You know times are tough when there are 71 pages dedicated to a punter.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Totally. The best of the WZ. Now we've got a nice thread with lots of valid info to support both sides of the perspective...good stuff from the old Pinion thread too.

I'm wondering if we're the only fan base who's ever dove this deep into a P before? LOL.

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Totally. The best of the WZ. Now we've got a nice thread with lots of valid info to support both sides of the perspective...good stuff from the old Pinion thread too.

I'm wondering if we're the only fan base who's ever dove this deep into a P before? LOL.

some one find out of the Pats have 70 plus pages dedicated to their new punter.....

Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Not different. PK's are valued more and go as high as the first round and OTC noted the most successful were UDFA's. Therefore, where are the best punters coming from? The mass majority of both come from 5th-UDFA and for good reason.

Now, of the punters drafted in rounds 1-4, how did they turn out? Any better than 5-UDFA?

5th rounder last year was first team all pro and voted pro bowl. But your point can be skewed by the demand and pick position of teams and thus why 4th this year was perhaps a reach but only because the rest of the class was not like Dickson. Apologies if I chimed in off the subject here.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Not different. PK's are valued more and go as high as the first round and OTC noted the most successful were UDFA's. Therefore, where are the best punters coming from? The mass majority of both come from 5th-UDFA and for good reason.

Now, of the punters drafted in rounds 1-4, how did they turn out? Any better than 5-UDFA?

5th rounder last year was first team all pro and voted pro bowl. But your point can be skewed by the demand and pick position of teams and thus why 4th this year was perhaps a reach but only because the rest of the class was not like Dickson. Apologies if I chimed in off the subject here.

Not at all...chime in anytime!

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
You know times are tough when there are 71 pages dedicated to a punter.