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Originally posted by Bluesbro:
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
You know times are tough when there are 71 pages dedicated to a punter.
Meh, you can never tell what will become the flavor of the week. Things just take on a life of their own sometimes, and a punter in the 4th is a bit of an anomaly.
Originally posted by Who-is-Hayne:Originally posted by OnTheClock:So yes, as the above shows, if teams believe there is a special punter in that draft class, they have no problem drafting them high. It hasn't been as common lately, but historically, plenty have gone high and had great careers. Mitch has certainly had the hype as a "special" player (no puns intended), so Shanahan could very well be right about his comment that Mitch wouldn't have been there in the 5th.
There's no guarantee he becomes an All Pro, but he certainly comes with hype for the leg power, accuracy, holding ability, kickoff ability, and athleticism to be used on trick plays/fakes. So it's not totally shocking that a few teams -- including us -- would've targeted him in the 4th.
I've learned over time to not get overly emotional about punters getting selected. It's never a sexy pick that people praise right away, especially if it's before the 6th or 7th rounds. Evidence shows though that you can get commensurate value if you pick the right guy. We just have to hope Mitch is worth what we used on him.
When pinion was shown the door I was all for drafting mitch.
When I logged onto the net a little late for start of 4th round and saw mitch had been selected I was, to say the least, stunned. 5th,6th,7th not an issue for me.
Going by various vids that have found their way to this thread, mitch was as surprised as anyone to get the call so early. Unless it appears later, there also doesn't look like anyone filmed the call from mitch's end cos nobody was expecting it so soon.
If he only turns out to be just an above average punter in the nfl, Lynch, Shanahan and scouting corps really need a good kicking.
That said, I have confidence in my boy being very effective.
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by Who-is-Hayne:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
So yes, as the above shows, if teams believe there is a special punter in that draft class, they have no problem drafting them high. It hasn't been as common lately, but historically, plenty have gone high and had great careers. Mitch has certainly had the hype as a "special" player (no puns intended), so Shanahan could very well be right about his comment that Mitch wouldn't have been there in the 5th.
There's no guarantee he becomes an All Pro, but he certainly comes with hype for the leg power, accuracy, holding ability, kickoff ability, and athleticism to be used on trick plays/fakes. So it's not totally shocking that a few teams -- including us -- would've targeted him in the 4th.
I've learned over time to not get overly emotional about punters getting selected. It's never a sexy pick that people praise right away, especially if it's before the 6th or 7th rounds. Evidence shows though that you can get commensurate value if you pick the right guy. We just have to hope Mitch is worth what we used on him.
When pinion was shown the door I was all for drafting mitch.
When I logged onto the net a little late for start of 4th round and saw mitch had been selected I was, to say the least, stunned. 5th,6th,7th not an issue for me.
Going by various vids that have found their way to this thread, mitch was as surprised as anyone to get the call so early. Unless it appears later, there also doesn't look like anyone filmed the call from mitch's end cos nobody was expecting it so soon.
If he only turns out to be just an above average punter in the nfl, Lynch, Shanahan and scouting corps really need a good kicking.
That said, I have confidence in my boy being very effective.
If he earns a Pro Bowl or All-Pro nod during his time here, he'll have certainly been worth it. 4th round and above, you're saying you think this guy will be a Top 5 punter in the NFL. So that's really the expectation set right now.
Originally posted by cciowa:Originally posted by OnTheClock:Originally posted by Who-is-Hayne:Originally posted by OnTheClock:So yes, as the above shows, if teams believe there is a special punter in that draft class, they have no problem drafting them high. It hasn't been as common lately, but historically, plenty have gone high and had great careers. Mitch has certainly had the hype as a "special" player (no puns intended), so Shanahan could very well be right about his comment that Mitch wouldn't have been there in the 5th.
There's no guarantee he becomes an All Pro, but he certainly comes with hype for the leg power, accuracy, holding ability, kickoff ability, and athleticism to be used on trick plays/fakes. So it's not totally shocking that a few teams -- including us -- would've targeted him in the 4th.
I've learned over time to not get overly emotional about punters getting selected. It's never a sexy pick that people praise right away, especially if it's before the 6th or 7th rounds. Evidence shows though that you can get commensurate value if you pick the right guy. We just have to hope Mitch is worth what we used on him.
When pinion was shown the door I was all for drafting mitch.
When I logged onto the net a little late for start of 4th round and saw mitch had been selected I was, to say the least, stunned. 5th,6th,7th not an issue for me.
Going by various vids that have found their way to this thread, mitch was as surprised as anyone to get the call so early. Unless it appears later, there also doesn't look like anyone filmed the call from mitch's end cos nobody was expecting it so soon.
If he only turns out to be just an above average punter in the nfl, Lynch, Shanahan and scouting corps really need a good kicking.
That said, I have confidence in my boy being very effective.
If he earns a Pro Bowl or All-Pro nod during his time here, he'll have certainly been worth it. 4th round and above, you're saying you think this guy will be a Top 5 punter in the NFL. So that's really the expectation set right now.
nothing less than a pro bowl will justify this pick. and then
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by Who-is-Hayne:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
So yes, as the above shows, if teams believe there is a special punter in that draft class, they have no problem drafting them high. It hasn't been as common lately, but historically, plenty have gone high and had great careers. Mitch has certainly had the hype as a "special" player (no puns intended), so Shanahan could very well be right about his comment that Mitch wouldn't have been there in the 5th.
There's no guarantee he becomes an All Pro, but he certainly comes with hype for the leg power, accuracy, holding ability, kickoff ability, and athleticism to be used on trick plays/fakes. So it's not totally shocking that a few teams -- including us -- would've targeted him in the 4th.
I've learned over time to not get overly emotional about punters getting selected. It's never a sexy pick that people praise right away, especially if it's before the 6th or 7th rounds. Evidence shows though that you can get commensurate value if you pick the right guy. We just have to hope Mitch is worth what we used on him.
When pinion was shown the door I was all for drafting mitch.
When I logged onto the net a little late for start of 4th round and saw mitch had been selected I was, to say the least, stunned. 5th,6th,7th not an issue for me.
Going by various vids that have found their way to this thread, mitch was as surprised as anyone to get the call so early. Unless it appears later, there also doesn't look like anyone filmed the call from mitch's end cos nobody was expecting it so soon.
If he only turns out to be just an above average punter in the nfl, Lynch, Shanahan and scouting corps really need a good kicking.
That said, I have confidence in my boy being very effective.
If he earns a Pro Bowl or All-Pro nod during his time here, he'll have certainly been worth it. 4th round and above, you're saying you think this guy will be a Top 5 punter in the NFL. So that's really the expectation set right now.
nothing less than a pro bowl will justify this pick. and then
Reason I won't necessarily say Pro Bowl is due to the popularity contest nature of it. He could be top 5 or best in the NFL and still not get a Pro Bowl.
Originally posted by NCommand:Originally posted by Hoovtrain:Yes, it was great to see them put out valid stats and rankings of actual punters vs throwing out a random blurb about Kickers as evidence to support their view
Totally. The best of the WZ. Now we've got a nice thread with lots of valid info to support both sides of the perspective...good stuff from the old Pinion thread too.
I'm wondering if we're the only fan base who's ever dove this deep into a P before? LOL.
Originally posted by Niners99:
Maybe he can kick the FG's too. Gould can sit and watch. lol
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Maybe he can kick the FG's too. Gould can sit and watch. lol
once i heard he can hold for kicks. i assumed we were trading the kicker( like parcells with owens.. he has no name with me).. we would trade the kicker for a 5th rounder. then sign a kid after the draft and get a vet and let them fight it out with the brown guy. oh well
Originally posted by Goatie:Originally posted by NCommand:Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:Originally posted by NCommand:Not different. PK's are valued more and go as high as the first round and OTC noted the most successful were UDFA's. Therefore, where are the best punters coming from? The mass majority of both come from 5th-UDFA and for good reason.
Now, of the punters drafted in rounds 1-4, how did they turn out? Any better than 5-UDFA?
5th rounder last year was first team all pro and voted pro bowl. But your point can be skewed by the demand and pick position of teams and thus why 4th this year was perhaps a reach but only because the rest of the class was not like Dickson. Apologies if I chimed in off the subject here.
Not at all...chime in anytime!
NCommand you seem the most obsessed non Aussie about this Aussie.
As a matter of fact I think you are more obsessed about this Aussie then the Aussies are.
But I think that is a good thing, right
Originally posted by Goatie:
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Maybe he can kick the FG's too. Gould can sit and watch. lol
once i heard he can hold for kicks. i assumed we were trading the kicker( like parcells with owens.. he has no name with me).. we would trade the kicker for a 5th rounder. then sign a kid after the draft and get a vet and let them fight it out with the brown guy. oh well
He has stated that kicks of a placed ball isn't his strength though he can do them. What he can also do that will be interesting is drop kicks whereby he drops the ball onto the ground as his foot connects. Not sure how that fits in with NFL rules. Can someone enlighten me on that?
Originally posted by Giedi:Originally posted by NCommand:Originally posted by Hoovtrain:Yes, it was great to see them put out valid stats and rankings of actual punters vs throwing out a random blurb about Kickers as evidence to support their view
Totally. The best of the WZ. Now we've got a nice thread with lots of valid info to support both sides of the perspective...good stuff from the old Pinion thread too.
I'm wondering if we're the only fan base who's ever dove this deep into a P before? LOL.
Too many dang football nerds on these boards!
Not too many other fan sites like the Webzone with such high football IQ's!
Originally posted by RTFirefly:
Originally posted by Goatie:
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Maybe he can kick the FG's too. Gould can sit and watch. lol
once i heard he can hold for kicks. i assumed we were trading the kicker( like parcells with owens.. he has no name with me).. we would trade the kicker for a 5th rounder. then sign a kid after the draft and get a vet and let them fight it out with the brown guy. oh well
He has stated that kicks of a placed ball isn't his strength though he can do them. What he can also do that will be interesting is drop kicks whereby he drops the ball onto the ground as his foot connects. Not sure how that fits in with NFL rules. Can someone enlighten me on that?
Drop kicks have always been legal FG attempts, if the ball hits the ground first. If that changed over the years I never heard it. No need to change the rule; they just don't produce the accuracy or distance of regular kicks. I always wondered about teams that lacked a half-decent backup K though. Seems like somebody over the years could've found a capable position player.
Originally posted by Goatie:
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Maybe he can kick the FG's too. Gould can sit and watch. lol
once i heard he can hold for kicks. i assumed we were trading the kicker( like parcells with owens.. he has no name with me).. we would trade the kicker for a 5th rounder. then sign a kid after the draft and get a vet and let them fight it out with the brown guy. oh well
He has stated that kicks of a placed ball isn't his strength though he can do them. What he can also do that will be interesting is drop kicks whereby he drops the ball onto the ground as his foot connects. Not sure how that fits in with NFL rules. Can someone enlighten me on that?
