"Big Play" Dre Greenlaw-OLB-Arkansas is a 49er

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49erWill:
BS call

What do you mean by that? The flag or the ejection?

Both. How do you call this but not call the H2H on Aiyuk by James?

I'll have to view that one again but it's not a situation where if you whiff on one you whiff on another. The play with Greenlaw is definitionally a foul it's violent helmet to helmet contact on an opposing QB who is going to ground, it was to the head and neck area of Herbert and it adjusted the way Herbert's helmet sat on his head.

Once a QB is running they are no longer a QB.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
The foul call was correct. No matter the circumstance you can't helmet to helmet. I understand the ejection in the sense it's tough for the league to allow a superstar QB to get helmet to helmet blown up and the guy remains in the game. The FQBs are too important to the league and are protected in major ways. It's a business.

I think it could have gone either way in terms of ejection but I can't say it was a bad decision. Dre has to be better and on the season, no improvement (coaching) from KS. He's as undisciplined now as he was week 1. Fouls and ejections hurt the team.

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You know it, i know it... Everyone knows it was a bad decision.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49erWill:
BS call

What do you mean by that? The flag or the ejection?

Both. How do you call this but not call the H2H on Aiyuk by James?

I'll have to view that one again but it's not a situation where if you whiff on one you whiff on another. The play with Greenlaw is definitionally a foul it's violent helmet to helmet contact on an opposing QB who is going to ground, it was to the head and neck area of Herbert and it adjusted the way Herbert's helmet sat on his head.

Once a QB is running they are no longer a QB.

Correct, and definitionally you cannot make helmet to helmet contact as a defender on a ball carrier.. particularly to the point where you are visibly adjusting the helmet on the ball carrier that is about as obvious a foul as it gets.. this would be a textbook example of a foul that 99.9% would recognize as a foul except maybe on a fan forum of the team committing the foul where it is a 50/50. Swap the roles and imagine Trey Lance getting tattooed by a Chargers linebacker helmet to helmet and imagine no flag, play on.. that would be a JOKE. Particularly if TL was already in the process of being tackled / going down and the head shot wasn't necessary.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49erWill:
BS call

What do you mean by that? The flag or the ejection?

Both. How do you call this but not call the H2H on Aiyuk by James?

I'll have to view that one again but it's not a situation where if you whiff on one you whiff on another. The play with Greenlaw is definitionally a foul it's violent helmet to helmet contact on an opposing QB who is going to ground, it was to the head and neck area of Herbert and it adjusted the way Herbert's helmet sat on his head.

It also adjusted the way Herbert played the rest of the game. Greenlaw took one for the team. Jimmie ward reiterated the intent in his presser.

The issue with running QB's these days is they can use a fake slide to gain extra yards and defenders are at a huge disadvantage because of the rules. You put a hurting on these QB's enough times and they will start to think twice about trying to play running back.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49erWill:
BS call

What do you mean by that? The flag or the ejection?

Both. How do you call this but not call the H2H on Aiyuk by James?

I'll have to view that one again but it's not a situation where if you whiff on one you whiff on another. The play with Greenlaw is definitionally a foul it's violent helmet to helmet contact on an opposing QB who is going to ground, it was to the head and neck area of Herbert and it adjusted the way Herbert's helmet sat on his head.

Once a QB is running they are no longer a QB.

Correct, and definitionally you cannot make helmet to helmet contact as a defender on a ball carrier.. particularly to the point where you are visibly adjusting the helmet on the ball carrier that is about as obvious a foul as it gets.. this would be a textbook example of a foul that 99.9% would recognize as a foul except maybe on a fan forum of the team committing the foul where it is a 50/50. Swap the roles and imagine Trey Lance getting tattooed by a Chargers linebacker helmet to helmet and imagine no flag, play on.. that would be a JOKE. Particularly if TL was already in the process of being tackled / going down and the head shot wasn't necessary.

That's the problem there's 0 consistency for it. Derwin James made helmet to helmet contact multiple times and finished the game. But since it was Herbert they tossed Greenlaw out the game. Once again you go against the grain and suck people into argue with you.

Ridiculous call by the officials, followed by an even more ridiculous call to eject him for a bs penalty.

If a QB wants to play the game like a RB, he should be treated as such.

Originally posted by Sickaa:
Ridiculous call by the officials, followed by an even more ridiculous call to eject him for a bs penalty.

If a QB wants to play the game like a RB, he should be treated as such.

The ways this is a (obvious) foul

Lowers helmet.. check
Contact is helmet to helmet... check
Runner is already down??.. it appears yes he is -- this is flagrant as you are contacting an already tackled ball carrier.. this plays a role in ejection

Look at the whiplash on Herbert and the contact so violent it adjusts his chin strap to more of a nose strap.. it's bush-league from Dre

Penalty was justified. The ejection was dumb.

That being said, Greenlaw has a tendency to make boneheaded plays. He has a lot of personal fouls.

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Penalty was justified. The ejection was dumb.

That being said, Greenlaw has a tendency to make boneheaded plays. He has a lot of personal fouls.

He does and no corrective action from KS. KS in his corner. Sing would say this BS is not acceptable, hurts the team etc. Not saying Sing is a better coach but he was a better coach at fixing stupid BS on the field like this.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
The ways this is a (obvious) foul

Lowers helmet.. check
Contact is helmet to helmet... check
Runner is already down??.. it appears yes he is -- this is flagrant as you are contacting an already tackled ball carrier.. this plays a role in ejection

Look at the whiplash on Herbert and the contact so violent it adjusts his chin strap to more of a nose strap.. it's bush-league from Dre

Yeah I wish Greenlaw could play in slow motion like the replays your analyzing the hit with. Unfortunately when Greenlaw starts to position himself to hit he was aiming for Herbert's chest and Wards hit caused Herbert to go lower than what his initial strike zone was.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Penalty was justified. The ejection was dumb.

That being said, Greenlaw has a tendency to make boneheaded plays. He has a lot of personal fouls.

He does and no corrective action from KS. KS in his corner. Sing would say this BS is not acceptable, hurts the team etc. Not saying Sing is a better coach but he was a better coach at fixing stupid BS on the field like this.

I don't get what Greenlaw was supposed to do? Ward hit Herbert and changed his body trajectory for Greenlaw to hit him in the head. Everyone clearly agreed it wasn't intentional.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
The ways this is a (obvious) foul

Lowers helmet.. check
Contact is helmet to helmet... check
Runner is already down??.. it appears yes he is -- this is flagrant as you are contacting an already tackled ball carrier.. this plays a role in ejection

Look at the whiplash on Herbert and the contact so violent it adjusts his chin strap to more of a nose strap.. it's bush-league from Dre

Yeah I wish Greenlaw could play in slow motion like the replays your analyzing the hit with. Unfortunately when Greenlaw starts to position himself to hit he was aiming for Herbert's chest and Wards hit caused Herbert to go lower than what his initial strike zone was.

I couldn't have said it better

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Yeah I wish Greenlaw could play in slow motion like the replays your analyzing the hit with. Unfortunately when Greenlaw starts to position himself to hit he was aiming for Herbert's chest and Wards hit caused Herbert to go lower than what his initial strike zone was.

You can see Greenlaw lower the helmet and launch. Great D and technique if you are playing in the mid 80s. The more you look at the play the more it's a justified ejection.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Yeah I wish Greenlaw could play in slow motion like the replays your analyzing the hit with. Unfortunately when Greenlaw starts to position himself to hit he was aiming for Herbert's chest and Wards hit caused Herbert to go lower than what his initial strike zone was.

You can see Greenlaw lower the helmet and launch. Great D and technique if you are playing in the mid 80s. The more you look at the play the more it's a justified ejection.

Ok 49er"faithful"