"Big Play" Dre Greenlaw-OLB-Arkansas is a 49er

Originally posted by 49ers_Life:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Penalty was justified. The ejection was dumb.

That being said, Greenlaw has a tendency to make boneheaded plays. He has a lot of personal fouls.

He does and no corrective action from KS. KS in his corner. Sing would say this BS is not acceptable, hurts the team etc. Not saying Sing is a better coach but he was a better coach at fixing stupid BS on the field like this.

I don't get what Greenlaw was supposed to do? Ward hit Herbert and changed his body trajectory for Greenlaw to hit him in the head. Everyone clearly agreed it wasn't intentional.

1. Don't lower the head (against the rules)
2. Don't launch with the helmet leading the way (also against the rules)

The call was correct according to the rules. It's the rule that needs to be changed, especially the part about ejecting a player. The rule is asking players to do somethung that is against their very nature. When a player goes for a tackle he isn't taught to go in standing straight up. They dip down and when you do that you're going to lead with your head. Using it on purpose as a battering ram is way different from the contact that happens while making a tackle. Herbert was tackled fro behind just as Greenlaw was making his move. That caused Herbert's head to be lower than it was when Greenlaw made his move to tackle him.

I would at least see rule change that allowed for some discretion. Unless it's an obvious attempt to use the helmet as a weapon, just call the 15 yards. If the same player does it again then he get's ejected.

The New York NFL office are who initiated the call to disqualify Greenlaw for "a flagrant act". But that's just the whole thing it wasn't flagrant it is so damn split-second he couldn't do anything about where his head went. Sorry but the NFL suits are completely full of s**t.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Yeah I wish Greenlaw could play in slow motion like the replays your analyzing the hit with. Unfortunately when Greenlaw starts to position himself to hit he was aiming for Herbert's chest and Wards hit caused Herbert to go lower than what his initial strike zone was.

You can see Greenlaw lower the helmet and launch. Great D and technique if you are playing in the mid 80s. The more you look at the play the more it's a justified ejection.

That's your opinion. I'mma stick with mine that it was a b******t call

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
The ways this is a (obvious) foul

Lowers helmet.. check
Contact is helmet to helmet... check
Runner is already down??.. it appears yes he is -- this is flagrant as you are contacting an already tackled ball carrier.. this plays a role in ejection

Look at the whiplash on Herbert and the contact so violent it adjusts his chin strap to more of a nose strap.. it's bush-league from Dre

Yeah I wish Greenlaw could play in slow motion like the replays your analyzing the hit with. Unfortunately when Greenlaw starts to position himself to hit he was aiming for Herbert's chest and Wards hit caused Herbert to go lower than what his initial strike zone was.

Even aiming for the chest if you lower helmet it's still a foul and 15 yard penalty. Where Dre is aiming is irrelevant. The fact he is leading with and lowering the helmet and launching is what gets him in trouble.

Per the 2022 NFL Official Playing Rules, it is a foul if a player lowers his head and makes forcible contact with his helmet against an opponent. The penally remains a loss of 15 yards. And is also an automatic first down if committed by the defense

Originally posted by 49ers_Life:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Yeah I wish Greenlaw could play in slow motion like the replays your analyzing the hit with. Unfortunately when Greenlaw starts to position himself to hit he was aiming for Herbert's chest and Wards hit caused Herbert to go lower than what his initial strike zone was.

You can see Greenlaw lower the helmet and launch. Great D and technique if you are playing in the mid 80s. The more you look at the play the more it's a justified ejection.

Ok 49er"faithful"

Being a fan of the club doesn't mean I can't use my eyes and look at things clear headed. Not every foul vs us is BS.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
The ways this is a (obvious) foul

Lowers helmet.. check
Contact is helmet to helmet... check
Runner is already down??.. it appears yes he is -- this is flagrant as you are contacting an already tackled ball carrier.. this plays a role in ejection

Look at the whiplash on Herbert and the contact so violent it adjusts his chin strap to more of a nose strap.. it's bush-league from Dre

Yeah I wish Greenlaw could play in slow motion like the replays your analyzing the hit with. Unfortunately when Greenlaw starts to position himself to hit he was aiming for Herbert's chest and Wards hit caused Herbert to go lower than what his initial strike zone was.

Even aiming for the chest if you lower helmet it's still a foul and 15 yard penalty. Where Dre is aiming is irrelevant. The fact he is leading with and lowering the helmet and launching is what gets him in trouble.

Per the 2022 NFL Official Playing Rules, it is a foul if a player lowers his head and makes forcible contact with his helmet against an opponent. The penally remains a loss of 15 yards. And is also an automatic first down if committed by the defense

How many times do they call this?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49ers_Life:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Penalty was justified. The ejection was dumb.

That being said, Greenlaw has a tendency to make boneheaded plays. He has a lot of personal fouls.

He does and no corrective action from KS. KS in his corner. Sing would say this BS is not acceptable, hurts the team etc. Not saying Sing is a better coach but he was a better coach at fixing stupid BS on the field like this.

I don't get what Greenlaw was supposed to do? Ward hit Herbert and changed his body trajectory for Greenlaw to hit him in the head. Everyone clearly agreed it wasn't intentional.

1. Don't lower the head (against the rules)
2. Don't launch with the helmet leading the way (also against the rules)

Yeah you are taught in football to always play low. Standing up would have just caused Herbert to smash his helmet into Greenlaw chest and make him look like a punk. Take the 15 yard penalty who gives a s**t. This is football at the end of the day. When our guys are constantly getting hit helmet to helmet and no calls for us, I don't care. Take the penalty and the s**t ejection call. We won at the end of the day.

Even the officiating expert in the booth during the broadcast said he shouldn't have been ejected.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Even the officiating expert in the booth during the broadcast said he shouldn't have been ejected.

Thank you sir

I'll live with the call even though it looked to me by his hand placement he was not intentionally looking for the helmet to helmet. It looked more like he was protecting himself.

If he gets fined though that will be bs.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Even the officiating expert in the booth during the broadcast said he shouldn't have been ejected.

I guess the officiating expert understands that players don't play in slow motion. Huh weird

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
The ways this is a (obvious) foul

Lowers helmet.. check
Contact is helmet to helmet... check
Runner is already down??.. it appears yes he is -- this is flagrant as you are contacting an already tackled ball carrier.. this plays a role in ejection

Look at the whiplash on Herbert and the contact so violent it adjusts his chin strap to more of a nose strap.. it's bush-league from Dre

Yeah I wish Greenlaw could play in slow motion like the replays your analyzing the hit with. Unfortunately when Greenlaw starts to position himself to hit he was aiming for Herbert's chest and Wards hit caused Herbert to go lower than what his initial strike zone was.

Even aiming for the chest if you lower helmet it's still a foul and 15 yard penalty. Where Dre is aiming is irrelevant. The fact he is leading with and lowering the helmet and launching is what gets him in trouble.

Per the 2022 NFL Official Playing Rules, it is a foul if a player lowers his head and makes forcible contact with his helmet against an opponent. The penally remains a loss of 15 yards. And is also an automatic first down if committed by the defense

How many times do they call this?

Not sure. I do see targeting more in CFB and lowering the helmet and launching is verbiage used in college ejections, which seem to be more common than NFL ejections.

I don't think the rules state that QBs are more protected but it's what I would call common knowledge. Everyone knows QBs are treated with kid gloves. Particularly young superstar FQBs. That plays a role whether anyone feels it should or not. I get it as the product on the field would be so much worse if it was Chase Daniel the rest of the way for the Chargers. No one wants that. If our guys lower the head and launch helmet to helmet into the opposing QB the result will be a foul called 99-100% of the time and an ejection maybe 25-30% of the time.. just my opinions.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
The ways this is a (obvious) foul

Lowers helmet.. check
Contact is helmet to helmet... check
Runner is already down??.. it appears yes he is -- this is flagrant as you are contacting an already tackled ball carrier.. this plays a role in ejection

Look at the whiplash on Herbert and the contact so violent it adjusts his chin strap to more of a nose strap.. it's bush-league from Dre

Yeah I wish Greenlaw could play in slow motion like the replays your analyzing the hit with. Unfortunately when Greenlaw starts to position himself to hit he was aiming for Herbert's chest and Wards hit caused Herbert to go lower than what his initial strike zone was.

Even aiming for the chest if you lower helmet it's still a foul and 15 yard penalty. Where Dre is aiming is irrelevant. The fact he is leading with and lowering the helmet and launching is what gets him in trouble.

Per the 2022 NFL Official Playing Rules, it is a foul if a player lowers his head and makes forcible contact with his helmet against an opponent. The penally remains a loss of 15 yards. And is also an automatic first down if committed by the defense

How many times do they call this?

Not sure. I do see targeting more in CFB and lowering the helmet and launching is verbiage used in college ejections, which seem to be more common than NFL ejections.

I don't think the rules state that QBs are more protected but it's what I would call common knowledge. Everyone knows QBs are treated with kid gloves. Particularly young superstar FQBs. That plays a role whether anyone feels it should or not. I get it as the product on the field would be so much worse if it was Chase Daniel the rest of the way for the Chargers. No one wants that. If our guys lower the head and launch helmet to helmet into the opposing QB the result will be a foul called 99-100% of the time and an ejection maybe 25-30% of the time.. just my opinions.

Rules shouldn't be called based on the value of the player. Rules are rules if driving the crown of your helmet in the center of a player chest warrants an ejection then it's time for the NFL to up the roster size to 80 cause defenders are gonna be getting ejected all over the place. Until the players start just going for legs. And that's what skill players really want. Can't wait

At some point they will have to turn the league into flag football.