"Big Play" Dre Greenlaw-OLB-Arkansas is a 49er

Originally posted by 9erson3:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 9erson3:
You knew this stuff coming with Brock. Paying high priced players and not on field will be the spotlight. Looking at injuries as a whole. Youth.

Brock is irrelevant to Greenlaw potentially not coming back. Completely irrelevant.

BS. We have holes to fill many places. Look at injuries, recurring and not. We have to pay Brock, fix OL. Do some defensive line work. Money doesn't grow on trees any longer. Look at a few other free agents.

This team needs to get younger even if fan feelings get hurt.

I don't see where people don't see this. There is a reason you have to be a transcendent QB to get top money and win SB's. Yes, you have your one off Foles or whatever but when you put all that money into a QB every other position on the team suffers and the QB play has to be able to offset that. Only top tier guys can.

I really like Brock, I think he's the best QB here since Young but his limitations aren't going to allow him to make up for the few points a game that lesser talent at other positions will eventually create. Of course you can mitigate that if you draft well but......

Originally posted by 9erson3:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 9erson3:
You knew this stuff coming with Brock. Paying high priced players and not on field will be the spotlight. Looking at injuries as a whole. Youth.

Brock is irrelevant to Greenlaw potentially not coming back. Completely irrelevant.

BS. We have holes to fill many places. Look at injuries, recurring and not. We have to pay Brock, fix OL. Do some defensive line work. Money doesn't grow on trees any longer. Look at a few other free agents.

This team needs to get younger even if fan feelings get hurt.

Brock's extension wouldnt kick in until 2026. We have the most capspace in the league. Our front office has stated many times they are prepared for Brock's extension. Greenlaw is coming off of a huge injury and only had a $9M cap hit in his last contract. Even if he gets a substantial raise (which would be interesting given the injury thing), his salary wouldnt be nearly enough to think that Brock's 2026 extension had anything to do with it.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 9erson3:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 9erson3:
You knew this stuff coming with Brock. Paying high priced players and not on field will be the spotlight. Looking at injuries as a whole. Youth.

Brock is irrelevant to Greenlaw potentially not coming back. Completely irrelevant.

BS. We have holes to fill many places. Look at injuries, recurring and not. We have to pay Brock, fix OL. Do some defensive line work. Money doesn't grow on trees any longer. Look at a few other free agents.

This team needs to get younger even if fan feelings get hurt.

Brock's extension wouldnt kick in until 2026. We have the most capspace in the league. Our front office has stated many times they are prepared for Brock's extension. Greenlaw is coming off of a huge injury and only had a $9M cap hit in his last contract. Even if he gets a substantial raise (which would be interesting given the injury thing), his salary wouldnt be nearly enough to think that Brock's 2026 extension had anything to do with it.

There are other holes to fill then just 1 guy. Plus the goal is to open a window, keep that window open, and replace that window the best you can if it breaks. That doesn't happen by making bad decisions that put you in purgatory for 5+ years with bad contracts.

no way in hell anyone is giving him big money without injury protection. Which makes me believe we can offer him something very similar.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 9erson3:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 9erson3:
You knew this stuff coming with Brock. Paying high priced players and not on field will be the spotlight. Looking at injuries as a whole. Youth.

Brock is irrelevant to Greenlaw potentially not coming back. Completely irrelevant.

BS. We have holes to fill many places. Look at injuries, recurring and not. We have to pay Brock, fix OL. Do some defensive line work. Money doesn't grow on trees any longer. Look at a few other free agents.

This team needs to get younger even if fan feelings get hurt.

Brock's extension wouldnt kick in until 2026. We have the most capspace in the league. Our front office has stated many times they are prepared for Brock's extension. Greenlaw is coming off of a huge injury and only had a $9M cap hit in his last contract. Even if he gets a substantial raise (which would be interesting given the injury thing), his salary wouldnt be nearly enough to think that Brock's 2026 extension had anything to do with it.

A Brock extension wouldn't effect the cap until 2028, the first 3 yrs(2025-2027) would be in the $13M, $20M, & $25M cap number ranges, it'll be structured like Trevor Lawrence's deal is.

I don't think Dre is gone, I still see the 49ers keeping both Dre & Huf, letting Mooney & Banks walk, I think Dre is a top 10 off-ball LB, and he deserves a significant raise, and the 49ers CAN AFFORD him & Warner long term.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
I'll always think resigning Aiyuk was a mistake man. I get it his contract doesn't hurt til 26. But he's still making plenty until then and that's more than LBers get paid yearly.

His contract doesn't really matter until 2027. $16M in 2026 for your WR1 isn't stupid money anymore. Guys like Ridley are getting paid like $27M each of the next two yrs Pittman getting like $20M +

Who knows what Dre is asking. I'm sure he sees all the injures and wants to get as much as possible, so SF is letting him test FA.

If I'm SF I would see if I could give Warner and extension and lower his cap the next couple yrs. Use that freed yo money to get Dre and something else (possibly vet center).

I'm all for extending my good young players, especially guys that never got hurt which until this yr was BA.

Totally think this is the move. Honestly I'd rate extending Dre over any free agent signing. Given how the defense looks with him verses without, we know the value he brings. With that said, I hope they focus more intently on the draft as opposed to free agency. We keep going to well to compensate for our inability in the last few years to draft as well as we did earlier on in the regime, with diminishing returns.

Originally posted by RedGoldSquatch:

Originally posted by 9erson3:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 9erson3:
You knew this stuff coming with Brock. Paying high priced players and not on field will be the spotlight. Looking at injuries as a whole. Youth.

Brock is irrelevant to Greenlaw potentially not coming back. Completely irrelevant.

BS. We have holes to fill many places. Look at injuries, recurring and not. We have to pay Brock, fix OL. Do some defensive line work. Money doesn't grow on trees any longer. Look at a few other free agents.

This team needs to get younger even if fan feelings get hurt.

I don't see where people don't see this. There is a reason you have to be a transcendent QB to get top money and win SB's. Yes, you have your one off Foles or whatever but when you put all that money into a QB every other position on the team suffers and the QB play has to be able to offset that. Only top tier guys can.

I really like Brock, I think he's the best QB here since Young but his limitations aren't going to allow him to make up for the few points a game that lesser talent at other positions will eventually create. Of course you can mitigate that if you draft well but......

They do draft well. My standard of drafting well is better than average. When you consider getting 3 quality players in a draft is a success, they did that up until 2022. People talk about the Lamce trade, getting nothing in 2022 (sans Brock Purdy) and 2023 hurts us even more.

If Brown were a quality starting free safety, Luter had better health, Womack stuck around, Davis had better health and was a contributors, or Beal- the team looks totally different.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
A Brock extension wouldn't effect the cap until 2028, the first 3 yrs(2025-2027) would be in the $13M, $20M, & $25M cap number ranges, it'll be structured like Trevor Lawrence's deal is.

I don't think Dre is gone, I still see the 49ers keeping both Dre & Huf, letting Mooney & Banks walk, I think Dre is a top 10 off-ball LB, and he deserves a significant raise, and the 49ers CAN AFFORD him & Warner long term.

I don't like all that social media stuff between the wives though. Seems like they know something that we don't.

I hope Dre comes back, but he needs that bag. Niners fleeced his agent on that last deal.

Originally posted by Heroism:
I hope Dre comes back, but he needs that bag. Niners fleeced his agent on that last deal.

I'd hate to see Dre go. They must think he is damage goods if they let him go.

Originally posted by Heroism:
I hope Dre comes back, but he needs that bag. Niners fleeced his agent on that last deal.

It was also the timing of the last deal. He took the security of a multi year deal early but it was right before he became a star.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 9erson3:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 9erson3:
You knew this stuff coming with Brock. Paying high priced players and not on field will be the spotlight. Looking at injuries as a whole. Youth.

Brock is irrelevant to Greenlaw potentially not coming back. Completely irrelevant.

BS. We have holes to fill many places. Look at injuries, recurring and not. We have to pay Brock, fix OL. Do some defensive line work. Money doesn't grow on trees any longer. Look at a few other free agents.

This team needs to get younger even if fan feelings get hurt.

Brock's extension wouldnt kick in until 2026. We have the most capspace in the league. Our front office has stated many times they are prepared for Brock's extension. Greenlaw is coming off of a huge injury and only had a $9M cap hit in his last contract. Even if he gets a substantial raise (which would be interesting given the injury thing), his salary wouldnt be nearly enough to think that Brock's 2026 extension had anything to do with it.

A Brock extension wouldn't effect the cap until 2028, the first 3 yrs(2025-2027) would be in the $13M, $20M, & $25M cap number ranges, it'll be structured like Trevor Lawrence's deal is.

I don't think Dre is gone, I still see the 49ers keeping both Dre & Huf, letting Mooney & Banks walk, I think Dre is a top 10 off-ball LB, and he deserves a significant raise, and the 49ers CAN AFFORD him & Warner long term.

Yes, you are more of the cap specialist than I. But my point stands. Brock's looming extension and whether or not Dre comes back to the team are not as linked as people are making it out to be.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
A Brock extension wouldn't effect the cap until 2028, the first 3 yrs(2025-2027) would be in the $13M, $20M, & $25M cap number ranges, it'll be structured like Trevor Lawrence's deal is.

I don't think Dre is gone, I still see the 49ers keeping both Dre & Huf, letting Mooney & Banks walk, I think Dre is a top 10 off-ball LB, and he deserves a significant raise, and the 49ers CAN AFFORD him & Warner long term.

You are always right when it comes to the cap. I think they definitely can afford him. But when the players wives/gf are throwing a "going away" party for him you know that means they have a pretty good idea of what Dre has been told.

So it begins.

Players up for FA are sending messages that they will go to a new team if they don't get what they want. They know what is reasonable, and their agent knows, and so do the 49ers. At this point, it is all posturing. No hard conclusions should be drawn from any of it at this point.