Defensive Line Thread

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by MoistButtCheeks:
Hey guys I'm totally obsessed with this DL so I wanted to throw some thoughts out there for those that feel the same.

• Anyone have any knowledge of blocking schemes?
• Who would you say is the DL best player at this time?
• Why aren't we winning more 1 on 1s?
• Am I crazy for questioning this DL?

Id have to imagine Wilks is very happy with the production from the DL as of now. I do find it interesting that our DT's are often being blocked straight up with a helper depending on which way the play moves. Its seems more reactionary than an attacking blocking scheme being used against us. I guess its a win for the opponent as long as our DE's are not dominating.

The greedy side of me wants to see some more creativity

Thoughts?

Bosa, Hargrave and Armstead are winning their 1-on-1s with Hargrave and Bosa winning at an elite level. Unfortunately, they're getting little out of the other end spot in 1-on-1s. Drake Jackson isn't winning very much and Ferrell is just a warm body out there.

Nick Bosa is still the best overall player on the DL, but Hargrave is playing at a comparable level, especially considering he's an IDL. I think Wilks and Kocurek have done a good job of putting guys in position to win. We talked about it last week, but the 5-DL alignment is a good way to get 1-on-1s across the board.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by MoistButtCheeks:
Hey guys I'm totally obsessed with this DL so I wanted to throw some thoughts out there for those that feel the same.

• Anyone have any knowledge of blocking schemes?
• Who would you say is the DL best player at this time?
• Why aren't we winning more 1 on 1s?
• Am I crazy for questioning this DL?

Id have to imagine Wilks is very happy with the production from the DL as of now. I do find it interesting that our DT's are often being blocked straight up with a helper depending on which way the play moves. Its seems more reactionary than an attacking blocking scheme being used against us. I guess its a win for the opponent as long as our DE's are not dominating.

The greedy side of me wants to see some more creativity

Thoughts?

Bosa, Hargrave and Armstead are winning their 1-on-1s with Hargrave and Bosa winning at an elite level. Unfortunately, they're getting little out of the other end spot in 1-on-1s. Drake Jackson isn't winning very much and Ferrell is just a warm body out there.

Nick Bosa is still the best overall player on the DL, but Hargrave is playing at a comparable level, especially considering he's an IDL. I think Wilks and Kocurek have done a good job of putting guys in position to win. We talked about it last week, but the 5-DL alignment is a good way to get 1-on-1s across the board.

Do to win rates directly correlate to pressure rates?

Originally posted by YACBros85:
No. Bosa's win rate is 28.9% while his pressure rate is 14.8%.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Do to win rates directly correlate to pressure rates?

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
No. Bosa's win rate is 28.9% while his pressure rate is 14.8%.

Thanks. Was curious because based off that pass rush win rate posted the other day he was sitting at 17% which was #3 overall from last years class and only 4% behind Hutchinson

Originally posted by lamontb:
Boys need to start getting home and creating some negative plays and turnovers

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by lamontb:
Boys need to start getting home and creating some negative plays and turnovers

Yes, other teams are throwing it out faster, but they ain't doing that the whole game.... 300+ Mil on the dline and can't get sacks

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by lamontb:
Boys need to start getting home and creating some negative plays and turnovers

Yes, other teams are throwing it out faster, but they ain't doing that the whole game.... 300+ Mil on the dline and can't get sacks

Well lets see who is helping who. Lets rest our D line and see if our coverage is still only allowing 5.4 YPA. Than we can see how fast you folks change your mind.

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by lamontb:
Boys need to start getting home and creating some negative plays and turnovers

Yes, other teams are throwing it out faster, but they ain't doing that the whole game.... 300+ Mil on the dline and can't get sacks

Well lets see who is helping who. Lets rest our D line and see if our coverage is still only allowing 5.4 YPA. Than we can see how fast you folks change your mind.

or they can keep doing what they've been doing, but actually getting home more often?

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by lamontb:
Boys need to start getting home and creating some negative plays and turnovers

Yes, other teams are throwing it out faster, but they ain't doing that the whole game.... 300+ Mil on the dline and can't get sacks

Well lets see who is helping who. Lets rest our D line and see if our coverage is still only allowing 5.4 YPA. Than we can see how fast you folks change your mind.

or they can keep doing what they've been doing, but actually getting home more often?

You cannot expect a pass rush to get home consistently when the oppposition is consistently getting rid of the ball in less than 2.5 seconds like they have the last few weeks. Guess what? Week 1 against the steelers, Picket had an average TTT of 2.9 seconds and we got home 5 times in that game.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by lamontb:
Boys need to start getting home and creating some negative plays and turnovers

Yes, other teams are throwing it out faster, but they ain't doing that the whole game.... 300+ Mil on the dline and can't get sacks

Well lets see who is helping who. Lets rest our D line and see if our coverage is still only allowing 5.4 YPA. Than we can see how fast you folks change your mind.

or they can keep doing what they've been doing, but actually getting home more often?

You cannot expect a pass rush to get home consistently when the oppposition is consistently getting rid of the ball in less than 2.5 seconds like they have the last few weeks. Guess what? Week 1 against the steelers, Picket had an average TTT of 2.9 seconds and we got home 5 times in that game.

This.

We have 9 sacks , Eagles have 11. Both teams are middle of the pack right now. And why? Teams are scheming against the DL.

I'll take this kind of production from our DL all year, as long as we keep getting good pressure and forcing quick throws it's not a big issue. They've been making even Lenoir look very good. Slot is the only position getting picked on more which is understandable bc that's where you're gonna have the most success in the short passing game.

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Armstead 10.5% I think last week Kinlaw was at 9.5%

We have like 4 IDL in the top 20 in pass rush win rate. No other defense in the league has that currently.

Yes, but we're paying AA too much money to be having a Kinlaw type bad week.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Do to win rates directly correlate to pressure rates?

Not directly but definitely factors in. Winning 1-on-1s is the first half of the rush, and IMO, it's the most important observable metric for a evaluating an individual pass rusher because winning it's entirely dependent on the individual. Pressures, hurries, QB hits and sacks are impacted by multiple variables(ex: group rushing, selfless teammates, coverage, scheme, cleanup).

It's similar to a WR beating man coverage.

Originally posted by Heroism:
Bosa, Hargrave and Armstead are winning their 1-on-1s with Hargrave and Bosa winning at an elite level. Unfortunately, they're getting little out of the other end spot in 1-on-1s. Drake Jackson isn't winning very much and Ferrell is just a warm body out there.