Defensive Line Thread

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Its a shocking difference between the two since that choice.

Buck:
Tackles - 229
Sacks - 27.5
FF - 5
PD -10

AA:
Tackles - 49
Sacks - 10
FF - 0
PD - 3 (all 3 came in one season)

We thought we could replace him with Kinlaw. Big gamble that completely blew up.

This combined with drafting Kinlaw and letting DJ Jones walk were huge mistakes by this FO.

And DJ wasn't even expensive

We need to bring back Buckner. Give the Colts Kinbust and Drakebust and a 2nd rounder

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Its a shocking difference between the two since that choice.

Buck:
Tackles - 229
Sacks - 27.5
FF - 5
PD -10

AA:
Tackles - 49
Sacks - 10
FF - 0
PD - 3 (all 3 came in one season)

We thought we could replace him with Kinlaw. Big gamble that completely blew up.

Wasn't there a pretty significant cost difference?

The biggest issue to me was the replacement pick. We obviously f'ed that up.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Its a shocking difference between the two since that choice.

Buck:
Tackles - 229
Sacks - 27.5
FF - 5
PD -10

AA:
Tackles - 49
Sacks - 10
FF - 0
PD - 3 (all 3 came in one season)

We thought we could replace him with Kinlaw. Big gamble that completely blew up.

Wasn't there a pretty significant cost difference?

The biggest issue to me was the replacement pick. We obviously f'ed that up.

#Colts' DeForest Buckner's deal: 4 years, $84M, $56.4M guaranteed

49ers' Arik Armstead's deal: 5 years, $85M, $45.9M guaranteed

Originally posted by Monsterniner:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Its a shocking difference between the two since that choice.

Buck:
Tackles - 229
Sacks - 27.5
FF - 5
PD -10

AA:
Tackles - 49
Sacks - 10
FF - 0
PD - 3 (all 3 came in one season)

We thought we could replace him with Kinlaw. Big gamble that completely blew up.

This combined with drafting Kinlaw and letting DJ Jones walk were huge mistakes by this FO.

And DJ wasn't even expensive

DJ jones was the brain scratcher for me. DJ was disruptive in the middle of that line.

nEEd MoR dL!!!

Originally posted by BP13:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Its a shocking difference between the two since that choice.

Buck:
Tackles - 229
Sacks - 27.5
FF - 5
PD -10

AA:
Tackles - 49
Sacks - 10
FF - 0
PD - 3 (all 3 came in one season)

We thought we could replace him with Kinlaw. Big gamble that completely blew up.

Wasn't there a pretty significant cost difference?

The biggest issue to me was the replacement pick. We obviously f'ed that up.

#Colts' DeForest Buckner's deal: 4 years, $84M, $56.4M guaranteed

49ers' Arik Armstead's deal: 5 years, $85M, $45.9M guaranteed

I mean the GTD cash was pretty different with one less yr for Buck. Also Buck's deal was front loaded. Gotta toss in that AA was a FA which made trading him less likely, then Buck.

I was always a Buck fan. Loved him at Oregon. #44 was a beast out there. They wanted to get better at defending the run, Buck wasn't amazing there. Turns out Kinlaw wasn't good either lol.

Originally posted by NCommand:
nEEd MoR dL!!!

We need a big fatty in the middle to eat up some blockers. Bring in Suh. Our guys are all penetrators, we don't have that other guy to plug up holes and let the others eat. We've been getting killed by play-action. Javon Hargrave isn't the answer for run stuffing. He's a great pass rusher though.

Go get Eza Cleveland to play RG (as long as his health is good). He's a massive upgrade to Burford imo. I was a fan during the draft.

then go get some DB depth.

In the off-season, it's time to load up on lineman. New center OT to develop/start and resign Cleveland.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Pff has our individual guys doing pretty well. Bosa in the 90s. Lol. Doesn't pass the eye test in any way.

We've had straight paths to the QB that haven't resulted in sacks.

Multiple times we've blitzed right into a screen like they know its coming and other times there's always a guy wide open to throw to. Even when our rushers are unblocked.

I'd like to see our d-line win some matchups, get close to the QB, then have the QB GO THROUGH PROGRESSIONS AND NOT FIND ANYONE WIDE OPEN TO THROW TO, then get a sack. This just isn't happening.

Originally posted by TyCore:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Pff has our individual guys doing pretty well. Bosa in the 90s. Lol. Doesn't pass the eye test in any way.

We've had straight paths to the QB that haven't resulted in sacks.

Multiple times we've blitzed right into a screen like they know its coming and other times there's always a guy wide open to throw to. Even when our rushers are unblocked.

I'd like to see our d-line win some matchups, get close to the QB, then have the QB GO THROUGH PROGRESSIONS AND NOT FIND ANYONE WIDE OPEN TO THROW TO, then get a sack. This just isn't happening.

They were 7th in the league in pressure rate heading into WK7. For sure sacks are king and they're not getting home there.

wilks blitzes more, which means you got your CBs on an island. Lenior and Oliver haven't been sticky at all and you need those man coverage skills in those situations.

IMO we need help at the boundary and should move Lenior inside. We also need help at DT/NT in the run game. We don't have that guy eating up blocks. I feel like we're getting hosed off PA. Our DL is so focused on stopping the run because we stink at it.

I agree with it seems like we blitz right into a screen, which is a play call issue.

Originally posted by TyCore:
We've had straight paths to the QB that haven't resulted in sacks.

Multiple times we've blitzed right into a screen like they know its coming and other times there's always a guy wide open to throw to. Even when our rushers are unblocked.

I'd like to see our d-line win some matchups, get close to the QB, then have the QB GO THROUGH PROGRESSIONS AND NOT FIND ANYONE WIDE OPEN TO THROW TO, then get a sack. This just isn't happening.

This is exactly how an OC is supposed to respond to an aggressive pass rush. Make them think which slows them down. Boggles my mind why KS doesn't do it more when we face aggressive rush Ds

Originally posted by Baldie:

Originally posted by Monsterniner:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Its a shocking difference between the two since that choice.

Buck:
Tackles - 229
Sacks - 27.5
FF - 5
PD -10

AA:
Tackles - 49
Sacks - 10
FF - 0
PD - 3 (all 3 came in one season)

We thought we could replace him with Kinlaw. Big gamble that completely blew up.

This combined with drafting Kinlaw and letting DJ Jones walk were huge mistakes by this FO.

And DJ wasn't even expensive

DJ jones was the brain scratcher for me. DJ was disruptive in the middle of that line.

They can't afford everybody. Jones was just priced out of our range. The issue is they never replaced him with a cheaper version. The guy didn't to be as dominate but at least in that mold. Look at the Eagles. You let Hargrave walk and you get a cheaper replacement who is just as good. We let Buck walk and drafted a bum. And to make matters worse they are still playing this bum. Should've just moved on and replaced him. Kinlaw is just wasting reps. And that is how you let your depth be depleted.

Some numbers i just seen reading ESPN article Good read

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38736100/49ers-high-priced-defensive-line-struggling-untracked

The Niners have a sack rate of 4.9%, which ranks 26th in the NFL and on pace to be the lowest of the Shanahan era. For context, the 2019 team was at 8%.

• San Francisco has 15 sacks, which is tied for 18th in the NFL. It's on pace for 36, which would be its third fewest since 2017.
  
  
• The 49ers' pressure rate of 27.6%, which 22nd in the NFL and on pace to also be the lowest since Shanahan and Lynch arrived.
  
  

But it's also fair to point out that Wilks has, on multiple occasions this season, been forced to lean into an aggressive approach because the front four isn't getting home consistently.

When the Niners don't blitz, they have a pressure rate of 23.5%, which is 23rd in the NFL. When they do, it's 40.5%, which ranks 18th. Perhaps Wilks is feeling out the best ways to deploy his blitz packages or how to use certain players, but the fact that the Niners aren't even in the top half of the league in pressure percentage -- let alone sacks -- with and without the blitz indicates that one of their foundational pillars is showing some cracks.

To be sure, opposing offenses are game-planning ways to try to neutralize the Niners' star-studded line. The ball is often coming out quick, which explains the significant gap in the Niners' pass rush win rate (eighth-best) and their pressure rate (22nd), and teams are sending extra blockers at Hargrave, Armstead and Bosa with regularity.

Originally posted by lamontb:
Some numbers i just seen reading ESPN article Good read

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38736100/49ers-high-priced-defensive-line-struggling-untracked

The Niners have a sack rate of 4.9%, which ranks 26th in the NFL and on pace to be the lowest of the Shanahan era. For context, the 2019 team was at 8%.

• San Francisco has 15 sacks, which is tied for 18th in the NFL. It's on pace for 36, which would be its third fewest since 2017.
  
  
• The 49ers' pressure rate of 27.6%, which 22nd in the NFL and on pace to also be the lowest since Shanahan and Lynch arrived.
  
  

But it's also fair to point out that Wilks has, on multiple occasions this season, been forced to lean into an aggressive approach because the front four isn't getting home consistently.

When the Niners don't blitz, they have a pressure rate of 23.5%, which is 23rd in the NFL. When they do, it's 40.5%, which ranks 18th. Perhaps Wilks is feeling out the best ways to deploy his blitz packages or how to use certain players, but the fact that the Niners aren't even in the top half of the league in pressure percentage -- let alone sacks -- with and without the blitz indicates that one of their foundational pillars is showing some cracks.

To be sure, opposing offenses are game-planning ways to try to neutralize the Niners' star-studded line. The ball is often coming out quick, which explains the significant gap in the Niners' pass rush win rate (eighth-best) and their pressure rate (22nd), and teams are sending extra blockers at Hargrave, Armstead and Bosa with regularity.

This is the part that is frustrating. Its easy to to predict where to send those blockers. HALP

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Been saying it since 2004, the 49ers need a Vince Wilfork type DT. But noooooope they continue to bring in 300 pounders who's tall and have problems stopping the run.

Good point..we need a dj jones

Nah, swing for the fences and get Derrick Brown if not, maybe just try and get DJ Reader, Austin John or DaQuan Jones!!!! 49ers need a better run stopper in the middle. WTF happen to Kalia Davis who was suppose to be the next DJ Jones?? lol