Defensive Line Thread

Originally posted by Cosmo:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by _Goldblooded_:
I am interested in what you think is contributing the run defense problems. Personnel? Scheme?

We don't have the personnel in a scheme that stresses the hell out of those two interior in the wide 9. I've been saying this since the offseason. When the 49ers play their base defense with a combination of Armstead, Hargraves, Kinlaw or Givens, they're quite literally playing a base defense with 2 interior DL that are natural 3 techniques in a style of defense that is already inherently difficult to defend up the middle.

Simply put, the 49ers never replaced DJ Jones. It's imperative that the 49ers add BEEF this offseason to the interior DL. The good thing is it shouldn't require more than a day-3 pick(they should draft 2 IDL IMO).

But they didn't have jones last year in the W9 and was nothing like we are seeing this year in terms of gaping holes. I think part of it is no real beef inside coupled with Wilks and how he runs the D, something just looks off compared to years past

This is why I like promoting in house rather than outsourcing. The transition from Saleh to Ryan's was nothing like this.

Originally posted by Cosmo:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by _Goldblooded_:
I am interested in what you think is contributing the run defense problems. Personnel? Scheme?

We don't have the personnel in a scheme that stresses the hell out of those two interior in the wide 9. I've been saying this since the offseason. When the 49ers play their base defense with a combination of Armstead, Hargraves, Kinlaw or Givens, they're quite literally playing a base defense with 2 interior DL that are natural 3 techniques in a style of defense that is already inherently difficult to defend up the middle.

Simply put, the 49ers never replaced DJ Jones. It's imperative that the 49ers add BEEF this offseason to the interior DL. The good thing is it shouldn't require more than a day-3 pick(they should draft 2 IDL IMO).

But they didn't have jones last year in the W9 and was nothing like we are seeing this year in terms of gaping holes. I think part of it is no real beef inside coupled with Wilks and how he runs the D, something just looks off compared to years past

This is why I like promoting in house rather than outsourcing. The transition from Saleh to Ryan's was nothing like this.

Originally posted by Heroism:
DL was fine. Watch the game. Jordan Love prevented so many sacks by getting the ball out.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
On defense:

The only issue I had in the pass game were the penalties.

In the run game, it was the terrible setting of the edge. I don't know if we need to put someone else outside like Kinlaw, Givens, or bring in someone like Hyder or Jordan Willis, but we gotta get that fixed.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by _Goldblooded_:
I am interested in what you think is contributing the run defense problems. Personnel? Scheme?

We don't have the personnel in a scheme that stresses the hell out of those two interior in the wide 9. I've been saying this since the offseason. When the 49ers play their base defense with a combination of Armstead, Hargraves, Kinlaw or Givens, they're quite literally playing a base defense with 2 interior DL that are natural 3 techniques in a style of defense that is already inherently difficult to defend up the middle.

Simply put, the 49ers never replaced DJ Jones. It's imperative that the 49ers add BEEF this offseason to the interior DL. The good thing is it shouldn't require more than a day-3 pick(they should draft 2 IDL IMO).

But they didn't have jones last year in the W9 and was nothing like we are seeing this year in terms of gaping holes. I think part of it is no real beef inside coupled with Wilks and how he runs the D, something just looks off compared to years past

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by _Goldblooded_:
I am interested in what you think is contributing the run defense problems. Personnel? Scheme?

We don't have the personnel in a scheme that stresses the hell out of those two interior in the wide 9. I've been saying this since the offseason. When the 49ers play their base defense with a combination of Armstead, Hargraves, Kinlaw or Givens, they're quite literally playing a base defense with 2 interior DL that are natural 3 techniques in a style of defense that is already inherently difficult to defend up the middle.

Simply put, the 49ers never replaced DJ Jones. It's imperative that the 49ers add BEEF this offseason to the interior DL. The good thing is it shouldn't require more than a day-3 pick(they should draft 2 IDL IMO).

But they didn't have jones last year in the W9 and was nothing like we are seeing this year in terms of gaping holes. I think part of it is no real beef inside coupled with Wilks and how he runs the D, something just looks off compared to years past

I think Al-Shaiir masked a lot of our run defense issues last year. He was so good on the edges. Probably the best run defender we had tbh. Even though Greenlaw and Warner are great players, both sometimes struggle keeping their lanes.

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Three things:

1). Our DLine is way different under Wilks than the last 2 DC's.

2). GB's OLine is very good.

3). Hargrave is way over-paid and God forbid they resign Lard Ass Chase.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by _Goldblooded_:
I am interested in what you think is contributing the run defense problems. Personnel? Scheme?

We don't have the personnel in a scheme that stresses the hell out of those two interior in the wide 9. I've been saying this since the offseason. When the 49ers play their base defense with a combination of Armstead, Hargraves, Kinlaw or Givens, they're quite literally playing a base defense with 2 interior DL that are natural 3 techniques in a style of defense that is already inherently difficult to defend up the middle.

Simply put, the 49ers never replaced DJ Jones. It's imperative that the 49ers add BEEF this offseason to the interior DL. The good thing is it shouldn't require more than a day-3 pick(they should draft 2 IDL IMO).

But they didn't have jones last year in the W9 and was nothing like we are seeing this year in terms of gaping holes. I think part of it is no real beef inside coupled with Wilks and how he runs the D, something just looks off compared to years past

I think Al-Shaiir masked a lot of our run defense issues last year. He was so good on the edges. Probably the best run defender we had tbh. Even though Greenlaw and Warner are great players, both sometimes struggle keeping their lanes.

You mean Ebukam at DE? I don't remember Al Shaiir getting many snaps as a SAM.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by _Goldblooded_:
I am interested in what you think is contributing the run defense problems. Personnel? Scheme?

We don't have the personnel in a scheme that stresses the hell out of those two interior in the wide 9. I've been saying this since the offseason. When the 49ers play their base defense with a combination of Armstead, Hargraves, Kinlaw or Givens, they're quite literally playing a base defense with 2 interior DL that are natural 3 techniques in a style of defense that is already inherently difficult to defend up the middle.

Simply put, the 49ers never replaced DJ Jones. It's imperative that the 49ers add BEEF this offseason to the interior DL. The good thing is it shouldn't require more than a day-3 pick(they should draft 2 IDL IMO).

But they didn't have jones last year in the W9 and was nothing like we are seeing this year in terms of gaping holes. I think part of it is no real beef inside coupled with Wilks and how he runs the D, something just looks off compared to years past

I think Al-Shaiir masked a lot of our run defense issues last year. He was so good on the edges. Probably the best run defender we had tbh. Even though Greenlaw and Warner are great players, both sometimes struggle keeping their lanes.

You mean Ebukam at DE? I don't remember Al Shaiir getting many snaps as a SAM.

I don't mean he played edge, I mean he's an OLB that covered to the flat well and forced everything inside, and it appeared teams couldn't run outside on us because of him. That's what I meant by "edge". You never saw him miss tackles either. Greenlaw while explosive, can take bad angles.

Originally posted by Rathof44:
Team is 20th in sack percentage at 6.83% and 27th over their last 3 games which is 5th worst. Inexcusable with this front. Chiefs and Ravens are both top 4 on the season. Chiefs also lead the league in unblocked QB pressures and ravens are fourth. Pretty sure this is scheme and playcalling.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by _Goldblooded_:
I am interested in what you think is contributing the run defense problems. Personnel? Scheme?

We don't have the personnel in a scheme that stresses the hell out of those two interior in the wide 9. I've been saying this since the offseason. When the 49ers play their base defense with a combination of Armstead, Hargraves, Kinlaw or Givens, they're quite literally playing a base defense with 2 interior DL that are natural 3 techniques in a style of defense that is already inherently difficult to defend up the middle.

Simply put, the 49ers never replaced DJ Jones. It's imperative that the 49ers add BEEF this offseason to the interior DL. The good thing is it shouldn't require more than a day-3 pick(they should draft 2 IDL IMO).

But they didn't have jones last year in the W9 and was nothing like we are seeing this year in terms of gaping holes. I think part of it is no real beef inside coupled with Wilks and how he runs the D, something just looks off compared to years past

I think Al-Shaiir masked a lot of our run defense issues last year. He was so good on the edges. Probably the best run defender we had tbh. Even though Greenlaw and Warner are great players, both sometimes struggle keeping their lanes.

You mean Ebukam at DE? I don't remember Al Shaiir getting many snaps as a SAM.

I don't mean he played edge, I mean he's an OLB that covered to the flat well and forced everything inside, and it appeared teams couldn't run outside on us because of him. That's what I meant by "edge". You never saw him miss tackles either. Greenlaw while explosive, can take bad angles.

Got it. I do think Ebukam was a major contributor to the good run defense the past few seasons. And his loss was not covered up by Ferrell/Gregory this season. Missing Hufanga also hurts here.

Originally posted by ModestoNiner33:
Did Joseph-Day or Beal get any reps?