Defensive Line Thread

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:
Last week we got a glimpse of how the dline can really impact the game for the good. This week we got a glimpse of the opposite. The dline struggled to get pressure in the backfield yesterday. I can appreciate that Fred and Bosa seemed to get their teammates charged up last week but the dline can't continue to disappear for long stretches in games and we expect to win.

Originally posted by Baldie:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by leakyfausett:
Oh but Kocurek can make any DL a stud. That is all I have heard for years. Yet the dline continues to suck.

Maybe he can't. He's had an embarrassment of talent. Next to Bobby Turner, but Turner has come through with Breida, Wilson, Mitchell, and now Mason. We haven't seen that from Coach K in some time, if ever. His best lines were littered with 1st round picks and Ronald Blair.

The line is bad imo. In 2019 - dominant. Now only bosa. The rest are just bodies and get pushed around.

Crazy given how much they invested there the last 7 years but I bet you next draft is a dt again and it probably needs to be.

What we clearly are missing is that talented depth I think. One of the years when we had buck and Arik and behind them was talented depth and we would rotate 4 guys in to keep them fresh. Those were the days we had an elite front 4. I don't know if it's because of the high priced salaries we have now that we can't go back to that?

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:
Last week we got a glimpse of how the dline can really impact the game for the good. This week we got a glimpse of the opposite. The dline struggled to get pressure in the backfield yesterday. I can appreciate that Fred and Bosa seemed to get their teammates charged up last week but the dline can't continue to disappear for long stretches in games and we expect to win.

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by Baldie:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by leakyfausett:
Oh but Kocurek can make any DL a stud. That is all I have heard for years. Yet the dline continues to suck.

Maybe he can't. He's had an embarrassment of talent. Next to Bobby Turner, but Turner has come through with Breida, Wilson, Mitchell, and now Mason. We haven't seen that from Coach K in some time, if ever. His best lines were littered with 1st round picks and Ronald Blair.

The line is bad imo. In 2019 - dominant. Now only bosa. The rest are just bodies and get pushed around.

Crazy given how much they invested there the last 7 years but I bet you next draft is a dt again and it probably needs to be.

What we clearly are missing is that talented depth I think. One of the years when we had buck and Arik and behind them was talented depth and we would rotate 4 guys in to keep them fresh. Those were the days we had an elite front 4. I don't know if it's because of the high priced salaries we have now that we can't go back to that?

We never replaced Buck or Dj Jones with a player of the same caliber. Never found a suitable replacement for Dee Ford either. Bosa and Jones are the only two good d lineman drafted by this regime. Thomas and Kinlaw were ass. The FA pick ups have been pretty mediocre. Hargraves and Floyd have underwhelmed.

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by Baldie:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by leakyfausett:
Oh but Kocurek can make any DL a stud. That is all I have heard for years. Yet the dline continues to suck.

Maybe he can't. He's had an embarrassment of talent. Next to Bobby Turner, but Turner has come through with Breida, Wilson, Mitchell, and now Mason. We haven't seen that from Coach K in some time, if ever. His best lines were littered with 1st round picks and Ronald Blair.

The line is bad imo. In 2019 - dominant. Now only bosa. The rest are just bodies and get pushed around.

Crazy given how much they invested there the last 7 years but I bet you next draft is a dt again and it probably needs to be.

What we clearly are missing is that talented depth I think. One of the years when we had buck and Arik and behind them was talented depth and we would rotate 4 guys in to keep them fresh. Those were the days we had an elite front 4. I don't know if it's because of the high priced salaries we have now that we can't go back to that?

We never replaced Buck or Dj Jones with a player of the same caliber. Never found a suitable replacement for Dee Ford either. Bosa and Jones are the only two good d lineman drafted by this regime. Thomas and Kinlaw were ass. The FA pick ups have been pretty mediocre. Hargraves and Floyd have underwhelmed.

We miss DJ Jones. Our run D has declined since he left.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Shanahan said DE/DT Yetur Gross-Matos had surgery on his knee on Friday. The team expects he'll miss 4-8 weeks.

— Matt Barrows (@mattbarrows) October 7, 2024

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by Baldie:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by leakyfausett:
Oh but Kocurek can make any DL a stud. That is all I have heard for years. Yet the dline continues to suck.

Maybe he can't. He's had an embarrassment of talent. Next to Bobby Turner, but Turner has come through with Breida, Wilson, Mitchell, and now Mason. We haven't seen that from Coach K in some time, if ever. His best lines were littered with 1st round picks and Ronald Blair.

The line is bad imo. In 2019 - dominant. Now only bosa. The rest are just bodies and get pushed around.

Crazy given how much they invested there the last 7 years but I bet you next draft is a dt again and it probably needs to be.

What we clearly are missing is that talented depth I think. One of the years when we had buck and Arik and behind them was talented depth and we would rotate 4 guys in to keep them fresh. Those were the days we had an elite front 4. I don't know if it's because of the high priced salaries we have now that we can't go back to that?

We never replaced Buck or Dj Jones with a player of the same caliber. Never found a suitable replacement for Dee Ford either. Bosa and Jones are the only two good d lineman drafted by this regime. Thomas and Kinlaw were ass. The FA pick ups have been pretty mediocre. Hargraves and Floyd have underwhelmed.

We miss DJ Jones. Our run D has declined since he left.

Agreed, but they have missed on almost every one else since as well which is crazy.

Thomas, Kinlaw, Hargrave, and a ton of others I cant even name off the top of my head that were/are just misses.

19 was insane with Bosa, Jones, Buckner, Armstead, Ford, Blair etc.

Originally posted by Baldie:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by leakyfausett:
Oh but Kocurek can make any DL a stud. That is all I have heard for years. Yet the dline continues to suck.

Maybe he can't. He's had an embarrassment of talent. Next to Bobby Turner, but Turner has come through with Breida, Wilson, Mitchell, and now Mason. We haven't seen that from Coach K in some time, if ever. His best lines were littered with 1st round picks and Ronald Blair.

The line is bad imo. In 2019 - dominant. Now only bosa. The rest are just bodies and get pushed around.

Crazy given how much they invested there the last 7 years but I bet you next draft is a dt again and it probably needs to be.

What we clearly are missing is that talented depth I think. One of the years when we had buck and Arik and behind them was talented depth and we would rotate 4 guys in to keep them fresh. Those were the days we had an elite front 4. I don't know if it's because of the high priced salaries we have now that we can't go back to that?

1. First round picks. On 3rd downs Dee Ford and Bosa on the edge. AA and Buck in the middle. That will destroy almost any O-line. On base downs, Bosa and AA on the edge. Jones and Buckner in the middle. Buckner wasn't as good at stopping the run but with Jones in there, that helped a lot. They rotated Ronald Blair, Solomon Thomas (another 1st), Sheldon Day, and Kevin Givens. Amazing talent up front and good depth. It isn't even realistic to get there. Again, we had five first round picks in that rotation, with four of those picks on rookie deals. The resources we'd have to use to get back to that just isn't feasible. But we can do what the Jets, Browns, and Steelers have done. They have one elite player and have good players around them. That is more sustainable.
2. What are these other teams doing to keep up pressure? Floyd didn't forget how to rush the passer. Neither did a healthy Hargrave. Something is lacking in that regard.
3. Finally, we gotta develop talent. Coach K has had multiple picks and free agents. Robert Beal in particular. Drake Jackson has been a bust and I honestly don't expect to see him this season. And is Evan Anderson that unprepared to contribute as an active member of the roster?

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by Baldie:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by leakyfausett:
Oh but Kocurek can make any DL a stud. That is all I have heard for years. Yet the dline continues to suck.

Maybe he can't. He's had an embarrassment of talent. Next to Bobby Turner, but Turner has come through with Breida, Wilson, Mitchell, and now Mason. We haven't seen that from Coach K in some time, if ever. His best lines were littered with 1st round picks and Ronald Blair.

The line is bad imo. In 2019 - dominant. Now only bosa. The rest are just bodies and get pushed around.

Crazy given how much they invested there the last 7 years but I bet you next draft is a dt again and it probably needs to be.

What we clearly are missing is that talented depth I think. One of the years when we had buck and Arik and behind them was talented depth and we would rotate 4 guys in to keep them fresh. Those were the days we had an elite front 4. I don't know if it's because of the high priced salaries we have now that we can't go back to that?

1. First round picks. On 3rd downs Dee Ford and Bosa on the edge. AA and Buck in the middle. That will destroy almost any O-line. On base downs, Bosa and AA on the edge. Jones and Buckner in the middle. Buckner wasn't as good at stopping the run but with Jones in there, that helped a lot. They rotated Ronald Blair, Solomon Thomas (another 1st), Sheldon Day, and Kevin Givens. Amazing talent up front and good depth. It isn't even realistic to get there. Again, we had five first round picks in that rotation, with four of those picks on rookie deals. The resources we'd have to use to get back to that just isn't feasible. But we can do what the Jets, Browns, and Steelers have done. They have one elite player and have good players around them. That is more sustainable.
2. What are these other teams doing to keep up pressure? Floyd didn't forget how to rush the passer. Neither did a healthy Hargrave. Something is lacking in that regard.
3. Finally, we gotta develop talent. Coach K has had multiple picks and free agents. Robert Beal in particular. Drake Jackson has been a bust and I honestly don't expect to see him this season. And is Evan Anderson that unprepared to contribute as an active member of the roster?