Defensive Line Thread

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
I thought when we released Floyd the reason was because we were going to sign Bosa. I thought forsure they had an agreement.

Then Bosa goes on to sign with Buffalo and we are left with Gross Matos and Sam O at DE.

My question is: Why not wait until we signed Bosa to release Floyd?

I've given this regime the benefit of the doubt but they have made some whoppers.

-The Trey Lance trade
-Drafting Solomon Thomas 3rd overall
-Trading Bucker and keeping Armstead then cutting Armstead a few year later. Relplacing Buckner with Javon Kinlaw. Signing Hargrave and then cutting him 2 years later.
-Cutting Floyd and Collins after a year.
-Extending aging guys like Deebo and Trent Williams. Then trading Deebo a year later.
-Caving to Aiyuk and giving him 30 mil
-All the missed draft picks with high picks in the 2nd and 3rd. Cameron Latu, Jake Moody, Tyron Davis Price, Drake Jackson, Danny Gray, Trey Sermon, Ambry Thomas, Jalen Hurd, Dante Pettis. The list goes on and on.

Then add to the fact that Shanahan has blown two leads in Super Bowls. It makes me wonder how many Super Bowls we should have had under a different regime.

Those are some major whiffs. Trading for Lance and drafting Solomon Thomas are two of the biggest draft whiffs EVER of any team all by the same regime. It's not a good look.

Everything done this off season was done to save a buck not to make the roster better. It just is what it is currently with ownership. It makes blowing those SB's even more painful.

Originally posted by lamontb:
Everything done this off season was done to save a buck not to make the roster better. It just is what it is currently with ownership. It makes blowing those SB's even more painful.

Exactly. And fans should be pissed when we are seeing the owner investing in other professional franchises. Spend to win every year or don't own a franchise is how I feel

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
I thought when we released Floyd the reason was because we were going to sign Bosa. I thought forsure they had an agreement.

Then Bosa goes on to sign with Buffalo and we are left with Gross Matos and Sam O at DE.

My question is: Why not wait until we signed Bosa to release Floyd?

I've given this regime the benefit of the doubt but they have made some whoppers.

-The Trey Lance trade
-Drafting Solomon Thomas 3rd overall
-Trading Bucker and keeping Armstead then cutting Armstead a few year later. Relplacing Buckner with Javon Kinlaw. Signing Hargrave and then cutting him 2 years later.
-Cutting Floyd and Collins after a year.
-Extending aging guys like Deebo and Trent Williams. Then trading Deebo a year later.
-Caving to Aiyuk and giving him 30 mil
-All the missed draft picks with high picks in the 2nd and 3rd. Cameron Latu, Jake Moody, Tyron Davis Price, Drake Jackson, Danny Gray, Trey Sermon, Ambry Thomas, Jalen Hurd, Dante Pettis. The list goes on and on.

Then add to the fact that Shanahan has blown two leads in Super Bowls. It makes me wonder how many Super Bowls we should have had under a different regime.

Those are some major whiffs. Trading for Lance and drafting Solomon Thomas are two of the biggest draft whiffs EVER of any team all by the same regime. It's not a good look.

Everything done this off season was done to save a buck not to make the roster better. It just is what it is currently with ownership. It makes blowing those SB's even more painful.

Without this regime there is no two super bowls!

Originally posted by goatroppolo:

Originally posted by lamontb:
Everything done this off season was done to save a buck not to make the roster better. It just is what it is currently with ownership. It makes blowing those SB's even more painful.

Exactly. And fans should be pissed when we are seeing the owner investing in other professional franchises. Spend to win every year or don't own a franchise is how I feel

This offseason definitely stinks of saving money, have to hope their plan is to eat all the dead cap this year and bounce back in 2026 if this turns out to be a multi year rebuild we should be pissed. We easily could have made another run this season but looking at our defense as of now there's no chance

Originally posted by Izyniner:
Without this regime there is no two super bowls!

Who cares? Shanahan lost a lead in birth with questionable play calling

I don't know man. What have they really done that anyone else wouldn't have done?

Bosa at 2 was a no-brainer. Trading for CMc? Taking Purdy in the 7th?

I forgot the biggest whiff this regime did…passing on Tom Brady for Jimmy Garappolo because Shanahan's ego was too big for them to co-exist together.

Originally posted by Since07:

Originally posted by goatroppolo:

Originally posted by lamontb:
Everything done this off season was done to save a buck not to make the roster better. It just is what it is currently with ownership. It makes blowing those SB's even more painful.

Exactly. And fans should be pissed when we are seeing the owner investing in other professional franchises. Spend to win every year or don't own a franchise is how I feel

This offseason definitely stinks of saving money, have to hope their plan is to eat all the dead cap this year and bounce back in 2026 if this turns out to be a multi year rebuild we should be pissed. We easily could have made another run this season but looking at our defense as of now there's no chance

It's for sure multi year rebuild. Even if they hit on every draft pick some of them won't develop into year 2 or 3. Not to mention injuries and the fact that many of our core studs are aging or often injured. I don't think this team had another run this year. Window closed when we gave Mahomes the ball last in the SB. The few years of bad drafting and the Lance deal has caught up to this roster.

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

#49ers DE Sam Okuayinonu causally repping 405 lbs 😅

Sam O is currently slated for a large role on the Niners DL based on their current depth chart pic.twitter.com/dO246KBBUQ

— ???????????????????????????????????????????? (@TheSFNiners) March 21, 2025

This dude plays like he reps 405. Dee Winters needs to follow this dude around in the weight room.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by Izyniner:
Without this regime there is no two super bowls!

Who cares? Shanahan lost a lead in birth with questionable play calling

I don't know man. What have they really done that anyone else wouldn't have done?

Bosa at 2 was a no-brainer. Trading for CMc? Taking Purdy in the 7th?

I forgot the biggest whiff this regime did…passing on Tom Brady for Jimmy Garappolo because Shanahan's ego was too big for them to co-exist together.

I'm going to tell you again - stop spreading unfounded stuff like this or post something to back this up.

Your personal beliefs are not proof of something like that happening. And saying it over and over around here is more spam than anything leading to serious conversations.

Not even going to ask you to bring up the "questionable playcalling" that lost us those leads since I'm positive you'd bring nothing but box score stuff.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by Izyniner:
Without this regime there is no two super bowls!

Who cares? Shanahan lost a lead in birth with questionable play calling

I don't know man. What have they really done that anyone else wouldn't have done?

Bosa at 2 was a no-brainer. Trading for CMc? Taking Purdy in the 7th?

I forgot the biggest whiff this regime did…passing on Tom Brady for Jimmy Garappolo because Shanahan's ego was too big for them to co-exist together.

I'm going to tell you again - stop spreading unfounded stuff like this or post something to back this up.

Your personal beliefs are not proof of something like that happening. And saying it over and over around here is more spam than anything leading to serious conversations.

Not even going to ask you to bring up the "questionable playcalling" that lost us those leads since I'm positive you'd bring nothing but box score stuff.

Definitely speculation but it makes sense, we married Garoppolo think it would add tension to the locker room and potentially destroy Garoppolos morale with the team bringing Brady in. It'd be like finally finding a home only for your old boss to move in and take your wife 😂

I don't think that's the reason why we didn't go with Brady he and was old and jimmy was coming off a solid season but if we did consider Brady that aspect would of came to mind. In hindsight we sure should have dumped garbs and went with Brady that's what I wanted at the time but I don't blame lynch

As far as play calling I though Shannahan did a good job in the first got Emanuel Sanders wide open for the winning touchdown but jimmy over threw it. The 2nd was questionable especially taking the ball in overtime then kicking a field goal when you have Mahomes on the other side smh

Originally posted by Since07:
Definitely speculation but it makes sense, we married Garoppolo think it would add tension to the locker room and potentially destroy Garoppolos morale with the team bringing Brady in. It'd be like finally finding a home only for your old boss to move in and take your wife 😂

I don't think that's the reason why we didn't go with Brady he and was old and jimmy was coming off a solid season but if we did consider Brady that aspect would of came to mind. In hindsight we sure should have dumped garbs and went with Brady that's what I wanted at the time but I don't blame lynch

As far as play calling I though Shannahan did a good job in the first got Emanuel Sanders wide open for the winning touchdown but jimmy over threw it. The 2nd was questionable especially taking the ball in overtime then kicking a field goal when you have Mahomes on the other side smh

It's pure speculation and has no business being brought up as facts. All the other stuff you brought up is logical as to why they didn't make the move to replace Jimmy with a 43 year old Brady.

And for the last part of your post…how many TD drives did Mahomes lead in the SB before that final drive that wasn't a possession where they were handed the ball within our red zone?

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Since07:
Definitely speculation but it makes sense, we married Garoppolo think it would add tension to the locker room and potentially destroy Garoppolos morale with the team bringing Brady in. It'd be like finally finding a home only for your old boss to move in and take your wife 😂

I don't think that's the reason why we didn't go with Brady he and was old and jimmy was coming off a solid season but if we did consider Brady that aspect would of came to mind. In hindsight we sure should have dumped garbs and went with Brady that's what I wanted at the time but I don't blame lynch

As far as play calling I though Shannahan did a good job in the first got Emanuel Sanders wide open for the winning touchdown but jimmy over threw it. The 2nd was questionable especially taking the ball in overtime then kicking a field goal when you have Mahomes on the other side smh

It's pure speculation and has no business being brought up as facts. All the other stuff you brought up is logical as to why they didn't make the move to replace Jimmy with a 43 year old Brady.

And for the last part of your post…how many TD drives did Mahomes lead in the SB before that final drive that wasn't a possession where they were handed the ball within our red zone?

I haven't followed the convo but idk if Sask was actually claiming it as facts just how he felt it went down. Don't think anyone reading a random post is actually going to believe that to be true. I was grilling Deebo quitting on us with Ayuik down but he might have been pushed out seeing how many players we've cut and lost. Again Idk how far Sask has gone with it but a warning seems harsh maybe he could have worded it better.

As far as your last question I'm not quite sure what you're asking. Are you saying it's Shannahan/Saleh/Wilks fault we didn't maintain the lead? It's Andy Reid and Mahomes we are talking about they can storm back at any given time we've seen it time and time again. That last one Shannahan blew that OT and Wilks wasn't really that good of a DC to begin with. 1st one refs just let the chiefs hold our DL the whole game

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

#49ers DE Sam Okuayinonu causally repping 405 lbs 😅

Sam O is currently slated for a large role on the Niners DL based on their current depth chart pic.twitter.com/dO246KBBUQ

— ???????????????????????????????????????????? (@TheSFNiners) March 21, 2025

This dude plays like he reps 405. Dee Winters needs to follow this dude around in the weight room.

Agreed

Originally posted by Since07:
I haven't followed the convo but idk if Sask was actually claiming it as facts just how he felt it went down. Don't think anyone reading a random post is actually going to believe that to be true. I was grilling Deebo quitting on us with Ayuik down but he might have been pushed out seeing how many players we've cut and lost. Again Idk how far Sask has gone with it but a warning seems harsh maybe he could have worded it better.

As far as your last question I'm not quite sure what you're asking. Are you saying it's Shannahan/Saleh/Wilks fault we didn't maintain the lead? It's Andy Reid and Mahomes we are talking about they can storm back at any given time we've seen it time and time again. That last one Shannahan blew that OT and Wilks wasn't really that good of a DC to begin with. 1st one refs just let the chiefs hold our DL the whole game

How was that not a clear question? How many TD drives did they have in the regulation that wasn't a result of us handing them the ball in our redzone on a muffed punt?

Why didn't Andy and Mahomes storm before that?

Coaches don't get the luxury of hindsight that so many here like to use to make coaching evaluations. Why didn't Andy and Mahomes storm back vs the Eagles? Was it because the Eagles D and Fangio didn't allow it to happen?

Andy and Mahomes aren't magic…certainly not when the refs are actually flagging their OL for holding.

The decision to take the ball first had just as much sense as kicking it off. That's why the analytics are split virtually down the middle on which way to go. And based on the info from that game, from that season taking the ball first made sense. It allowed the defense who had been on the field a lot in the 4th to rest and had Burford done his job vs freelancing they score a TD on the call Kyle sent in. If that happens maybe even Wilks calls things differently and we actually get the stop or assuming KC goes for 2 like they claimed they would maybe we stop them there.

All I know is looking at that game I saw Kyle doing his job, it wasn't perfect but from the two offensive minded HCs he had the much tougher go of it vs Spags and that KC defense.

Wilks pretty much rolled out the red carpet for Mahomes on that OT drive. It was infuriating to watch. Totally handicapped our own players with what he called.

Originally posted by lamontb:
Everything done this off season was done to save a buck not to make the roster better. It just is what it is currently with ownership. It makes blowing those SB's even more painful.

Paying out bad contracts and cutting corners wasn't a winning path. It almost was a couple of times. We're cutting the fat and opting to build the right way. Traditionally you make rosters stronger by drafting well. Like we've done in the past and like our competition has done recently. We did well in the 2024 draft and we can do well again in 2025 and beyond. The problem is that we are forced to wait for another month to add pieces via the draft. It's okay if you and others have limited vision and blinders on, on top of that. But that does not mean the regime is afflicted with the same maladies. They have a plan and building a stronger roster that wins the Super Bowl is the aim.