Defensive Line Thread

Originally posted by pdizo916:

Went from the best unit in football to one of the worst in less than a year.

Tell us more about being "one of the worst"

I was just thinking about how many times this team was bailed out by our ferocious pass rush from last year, and it really hit me after today's game. We're a shell of ourselves from last year because of the pass rush or lack thereof. It's incredibly disheartening when our defense gets the opposing offense in an obvious passing situation and knowing the opposing QB is going to have all day if we don't send an extra man or two on passing downs.

Kinlaw - As expected: raw as hell. We're getting almost nothing out of our 3technique in regards to rushing the passer. We all knew Kinlaw would take some time to develop, but the drop off from Defo has been killing us these last few games. Defo wasn't a steady pass rusher on a snap-to-snap basis, but you knew he would eventually land one of those arm overs for a sack almost every other week.
AA - Played well to start the year, but he's just a guy at the moment.
EDGE - we have no edge rushers. Dee Ford is hurt like always, and Bosa, a quintessential game-changer, was lost for the year in week 2. We literally have no edgerush.

49ers have a few nice rotational players in Kevin Givens and Kerry Hyder, who has exceeded our expectations, but these are not guys we should be relying on.

Originally posted by Heroism:
I was just thinking about how many times this team was bailed out by our ferocious pass rush from last year, and it really hit me after today's game. We're a shell of ourselves from last year because of the pass rush or lack thereof. It's incredibly disheartening when our defense gets the opposing offense in an obvious passing situation and knowing the opposing QB is going to have all day if we don't send an extra man or two on passing downs.

Kinlaw - As expected: raw as hell. We're getting almost nothing out of our 3technique in regards to rushing the passer. We all knew Kinlaw would take some time to develop, but the drop off from Defo has been killing us these last few games.
AA - Played well to start the year, but he's just a guy at the moment.
EDGE - we have no EDGE. Dee Ford is hurt like always, and Bosa, a quintessential game-changer, was lost for the year in week 2.

49ers have a few nice rotational players in Kevin Givens and Kerry Hyder, who has exceeded our expectations, but these are not guys we should be relying on.

It just hit you ? Bosa was critical to this dline. The way he got pressures and set the edge and would shoestring tackler wilson...when Bosa went down it shouldve hit you...with no Bosa or Buckner and with Dee Ford constantly hurt, the best part of the team was crippled

What once was. From the best pass-rushing DL in the league to one of the worst.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by pdfortune:
I was surprised Clay Matthews had 8 sacks in 2019. Seems like he'd be worth having at least as a third down pressure guy.

other teams find ways to make things work. not sure why lynch does not at least make an effort. its a position crying out for help in my opinion

The 49ers have 0 cap space to sign a vet. Matthews isn't coming back to the NFL for scraps. Giving Ziggy Ansah that much $ to play a game and a half was a terrible investment.

Don't remind me.

Originally posted by the_dynasty:

It just hit you ? Bosa was critical to this dline. The way he got pressures and set the edge and would shoestring tackler wilson...when Bosa went down it shouldve hit you...with no Bosa or Buckner and with Dee Ford constantly hurt, the best part of the team was crippled

Yep. Bosa is the straw that stirs the drink. Strong play from Warner and Verrett can't wholly make up for it.

Can't believe they paid AA over Defo

I haven't seen much growth from DJ Jones. I expected him to make more plays. Can we also attribute some of his play last year to being next to Buck? Wonder why smart teams pay all pro interior d lineman instead of trading them.

Originally posted by captveg:
Yep. Bosa is the straw that stirs the drink. Strong play from Warner and Verrett can't wholly make up for it.

Trust me, I am the Nick Bosa guy on this board. As a realist, I knew in my gut the season was over when he went down. Still, I revert back to the hopeful and naive fan before every Sunday only to be let down.



f**k 2020

I hope we go edge rusher in either round 1 or 2 in next year's draft. Hopefully Dee Ford will just retire or something. What a waste he is right now

Originally posted by Kalen49ers:
I hope we go edge rusher in either round 1 or 2 in next year's draft. Hopefully Dee Ford will just retire or something. What a waste he is right now

to be honest he'll be stupid if he was to retire while collecting big fat checks with no harm being done by another player to his body.

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by Kalen49ers:

I hope we go edge rusher in either round 1 or 2 in next year's draft. Hopefully Dee Ford will just retire or something. What a waste he is right now

to be honest he'll be stupid if he was to retire while collecting big fat checks with no harm being done by another player to his body.

Oh of course, but I can hope at least

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by captveg:
Yep. Bosa is the straw that stirs the drink. Strong play from Warner and Verrett can't wholly make up for it.

Trust me, I am the Nick Bosa guy on this board. As a realist, I knew in my gut the season was over when he went down. Still, I revert back to the hopeful and naive fan before every Sunday only to be let down.



f**k 2020

I'm watching a replay of last Halloween's game vs. the Cards, the game kittle got hurt. Man, we look like a totally different team on D with our full roster (Dee Ford too). I sure miss DeFo. When we drafted him, I was ecstatic because he was a local boy from Oahu but also because we picked the right lineman from Oregon. He lifted up Armstead in college and the pros.

Originally posted by Heroism:
I was just thinking about how many times this team was bailed out by our ferocious pass rush from last year, and it really hit me after today's game. We're a shell of ourselves from last year because of the pass rush or lack thereof. It's incredibly disheartening when our defense gets the opposing offense in an obvious passing situation and knowing the opposing QB is going to have all day if we don't send an extra man or two on passing downs.

Kinlaw - As expected: raw as hell. We're getting almost nothing out of our 3technique in regards to rushing the passer. We all knew Kinlaw would take some time to develop, but the drop off from Defo has been killing us these last few games. Defo wasn't a steady pass rusher on a snap-to-snap basis, but you knew he would eventually land one of those arm overs for a sack almost every other week.
AA - Played well to start the year, but he's just a guy at the moment.
EDGE - we have no edge rushers. Dee Ford is hurt like always, and Bosa, a quintessential game-changer, was lost for the year in week 2. We literally have no edgerush.

49ers have a few nice rotational players in Kevin Givens and Kerry Hyder, who has exceeded our expectations, but these are not guys we should be relying on.

+1 ... quite sad. And it's super clear how important EDGE is... I loved DeFo but even in his best years, we were mediocre to poor at pass defense (2017-2018) without any top EDGE rushers.

Last year we had one elite edge rusher (Bosa) which opened up for production from AA and others --> top 3 defense. And when we had Bosa + Ford together, man..... that was nasty.

This year we have Hyder and nobody else at EDGE with AA not really producing. The dropoff is really clear, now we have a good defense -- boosted by some new additions/wrinkles like Verrett, leveraging Warner in coverage to send more blitzers, etc. But you can tell clearly there's a limited amount that talent can do, especially stopping the pass in obvious passing situations. We need more EDGE...

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by captveg:

Yep. Bosa is the straw that stirs the drink. Strong play from Warner and Verrett can't wholly make up for it.

Trust me, I am the Nick Bosa guy on this board. As a realist, I knew in my gut the season was over when he went down. Still, I revert back to the hopeful and naive fan before every Sunday only to be let down.



f**k 2020

Exactly.