Defensive Line Thread

Originally posted by 49erF90:
You know what, I think trading for Hunter should be given a lot of thoughts and discussion before going for it especially if he is after a big contract or extension. Most of you are right when you made example of Dre Ford's disastrous acquisition. So far Drake Jackson seems to be not an injury prone guy so let's see what we got from him first.

We don't need to commit to Hunter beyond this upcoming season. If he's too expensive to fit into our future cap, then just let him walk and grab a 3rd round comp pick when he signs a big contract somewhere else.

IMO, this move should be about this season only and finding a way to significantly upgrade our pass rush to New York Giants heights, when they brought out the Nascar package during their superbowl run. We would have the opportunity to have 4-5 guys who are all capable of beating the man in front of them with ease, so who do you double? Hunter was one of the highest rated edge rushers in football last season, after finally getting healthy. This guy has dealt with double teams his entire career, yet he was still racking up sacks, and now you tell him he's allowed to hunt 1v1?

We'd break records if Lynch said screw it and decides to stack the deck in our favor by grabbing another top 10-15 pass rusher, giving us 3 on the same line, and ridiculous depth behind them. I'm not even being biased when I say injuries would be our only competition. We're expected to be one of the better offenses in football, probably scoring 26+ a game, meaning this defense will be playing ahead, which means good luck NFL.

Lowkey, I'd probably give up a 2nd and 3rd if a bidding war happens, simply because we'd get the 3rd back if he leaves and if he somehow stays, who cares about either pick because Paraag found a way to keep Bosa, Hargrave, and Hunter for multiple superbowl runs.

Originally posted by Nastastical:

Originally posted by 49erF90:
You know what, I think trading for Hunter should be given a lot of thoughts and discussion before going for it especially if he is after a big contract or extension. Most of you are right when you made example of Dre Ford's disastrous acquisition. So far Drake Jackson seems to be not an injury prone guy so let's see what we got from him first.

We don't need to commit to Hunter beyond this upcoming season. If he's too expensive to fit into our future cap, then just let him walk and grab a 3rd round comp pick when he signs a big contract somewhere else.

IMO, this move should be about this season only and finding a way to significantly upgrade our pass rush to New York Giants heights, when they brought out the Nascar package during their superbowl run. We would have the opportunity to have 4-5 guys who are all capable of beating the man in front of them with ease, so who do you double? Hunter was one of the highest rated edge rushers in football last season, after finally getting healthy. This guy has dealt with double teams his entire career, yet he was still racking up sacks, and now you tell him he's allowed to hunt 1v1?

We'd break records if Lynch said screw it and decides to stack the deck in our favor by grabbing another top 10-15 pass rusher, giving us 3 on the same line, and ridiculous depth behind them. I'm not even being biased when I say injuries would be our only competition. We're expected to be one of the better offenses in football, probably scoring 26+ a game, meaning this defense will be playing ahead, which means good luck NFL.

Lowkey, I'd probably give up a 2nd and 3rd if a bidding war happens, simply because we'd get the 3rd back if he leaves and if he somehow stays, who cares about either pick because Paraag found a way to keep Bosa, Hargrave, and Hunter for multiple superbowl runs.

? Betting on Drake is not the first option. The best option for us is to land hunter on his current deal and have him play this year without a restructure. But that probably is not going to happen. He'll just hold out through training camp and make a mess of the locker room.

I'm thinking maybe of a tweener solution where we restructure for this year and next and then make things optional. This year we throw in a few extra mil -- even though we don't have to -- and next year we guarantee say 15. Then after that we promise whatever but we have the option of cutting if things aren't healthy for him. We can roll the dice on Daniel Hunter for 15 million. Not 60 million or whatever we threw away on Ford.

This all depends on us amicably signing Bosa in the next couple weeks and not doing a knock-down drag out that lasts until the day before the season opens. We can't be that front office anymore. The Vikings cheapskated their way with Hunter and now there's no way he's going to play for them we can't be doing brass knuckle negotiations with top quality Talent.

So what's the deal with Hunter and Minnesota? Does he want more money? Are they actively trading him.

Originally posted by lamontb:
So what's the deal with Hunter and Minnesota? Does he want more money? Are they actively trading him.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10079023-top-nfl-trade-packages-for-danielle-hunter-amid-vikings-minicamp-holdout.amp.htl

A lot of teams trying to put packages out there. The article doesn't talk about the extension. I think that's the hang. Hunter wont play on a short term deal.

Plus we need to sign bosa first. Bosa has no health concerns so obviously is priority one.

I think if any de is signed it will be either Justin Houston or Ingram. An older vet for around $5-6 mil close to training camp. We are probably not going to use more draft capital for a Danielle Hunter or Chase Young even if they get us a comp 3rd next year.

We are going to see what Jackson has at de but if he struggles we can go after a de before the trade deadline.

Originally posted by elguapo:
I think if any de is signed it will be either Justin Houston or Ingram. An older vet for around $5-6 mil close to training camp. We are probably not going to use more draft capital for a Danielle Hunter or Chase Young even if they get us a comp 3rd next year.

We are going to see what Jackson has at de but if he struggles we can go after a de before the trade deadline.

This is what I'm thinking, with Ngakoue hiring Drew Rosenhaus, I doubt we'll get him, despite the fact we have a good relationship with Drew when it comes to contracts & clients.

I doubt we trade for one before the season, Hunter will cost too much money & pick wise, idk his accrued years played, but if it's 10 or more with 2023 included, we wouldn't get more than a 5th due to a rule that only QBs with 10+ accrued years nets you more than a 5th rd comp pick, as for Chase Young, too injury prone for my taste, plus Washington declined the 5th yr option, would be a rental, and I wouldn't give up more than a late rd pick.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by elguapo:
I think if any de is signed it will be either Justin Houston or Ingram. An older vet for around $5-6 mil close to training camp. We are probably not going to use more draft capital for a Danielle Hunter or Chase Young even if they get us a comp 3rd next year.

We are going to see what Jackson has at de but if he struggles we can go after a de before the trade deadline.

This is what I'm thinking, with Ngakoue hiring Drew Rosenhaus, I doubt we'll get him, despite the fact we have a good relationship with Drew when it comes to contracts & clients.

I doubt we trade for one before the season, Hunter will cost too much money & pick wise, idk his accrued years played, but if it's 10 or more with 2023 included, we wouldn't get more than a 5th due to a rule that only QBs with 10+ accrued years nets you more than a 5th rd comp pick, as for Chase Young, too injury prone for my taste, plus Washington declined the 5th yr option, would be a rental, and I wouldn't give up more than a late rd pick.

This is going to be Hunter's 8th season, so we'd get a 3rd when he leaves as a FA. For a little over $5 million and a 2nd, I think that's great value if we can greatly improve our pass rush, which also increases our chances of winning a championship.

Originally posted by Nastastical:
This is going to be Hunter's 8th season, so we'd get a 3rd when he leaves as a FA. For a little over $5 million and a 2nd, I think that's great value if we can greatly improve our pass rush, which also increases our chances of winning a championship.

The real question is is there any possible way he'd play on a 1 year deal? I think there's zero chance of him playing on that $.

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by Nastastical:
This is going to be Hunter's 8th season, so we'd get a 3rd when he leaves as a FA. For a little over $5 million and a 2nd, I think that's great value if we can greatly improve our pass rush, which also increases our chances of winning a championship.

The real question is is there any possible way he'd play on a 1 year deal? I think there's zero chance of him playing on that $.

Yeah, that's why I've given up on the 49ers acquiring him. It seems he wants a multi year and he has the resume to play hardball (hold out).

Originally posted by Nastastical:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by elguapo:
I think if any de is signed it will be either Justin Houston or Ingram. An older vet for around $5-6 mil close to training camp. We are probably not going to use more draft capital for a Danielle Hunter or Chase Young even if they get us a comp 3rd next year.

We are going to see what Jackson has at de but if he struggles we can go after a de before the trade deadline.

This is what I'm thinking, with Ngakoue hiring Drew Rosenhaus, I doubt we'll get him, despite the fact we have a good relationship with Drew when it comes to contracts & clients.

I doubt we trade for one before the season, Hunter will cost too much money & pick wise, idk his accrued years played, but if it's 10 or more with 2023 included, we wouldn't get more than a 5th due to a rule that only QBs with 10+ accrued years nets you more than a 5th rd comp pick, as for Chase Young, too injury prone for my taste, plus Washington declined the 5th yr option, would be a rental, and I wouldn't give up more than a late rd pick.

This is going to be Hunter's 8th season, so we'd get a 3rd when he leaves as a FA. For a little over $5 million and a 2nd, I think that's great value if we can greatly improve our pass rush, which also increases our chances of winning a championship.

Thanks wasn't sure what his accrued years were, just seems unlikely that he'll play for $5.4M when he knows we can't afford to pay him long term, if we could get him for 1yr I'd be for it, as long as it's a 3rd rd pick, with conditions to make a 2nd rd pick at most. I fear though MIN will want a 1st for him, and we can't afford to trade a 1st for a rental, not the NBA, NFL teams don't do that usually.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by Nastastical:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by elguapo:
I think if any de is signed it will be either Justin Houston or Ingram. An older vet for around $5-6 mil close to training camp. We are probably not going to use more draft capital for a Danielle Hunter or Chase Young even if they get us a comp 3rd next year.

We are going to see what Jackson has at de but if he struggles we can go after a de before the trade deadline.

This is what I'm thinking, with Ngakoue hiring Drew Rosenhaus, I doubt we'll get him, despite the fact we have a good relationship with Drew when it comes to contracts & clients.

I doubt we trade for one before the season, Hunter will cost too much money & pick wise, idk his accrued years played, but if it's 10 or more with 2023 included, we wouldn't get more than a 5th due to a rule that only QBs with 10+ accrued years nets you more than a 5th rd comp pick, as for Chase Young, too injury prone for my taste, plus Washington declined the 5th yr option, would be a rental, and I wouldn't give up more than a late rd pick.

This is going to be Hunter's 8th season, so we'd get a 3rd when he leaves as a FA. For a little over $5 million and a 2nd, I think that's great value if we can greatly improve our pass rush, which also increases our chances of winning a championship.

Thanks wasn't sure what his accrued years were, just seems unlikely that he'll play for $5.4M when he knows we can't afford to pay him long term, if we could get him for 1yr I'd be for it, as long as it's a 3rd rd pick, with conditions to make a 2nd rd pick at most. I fear though MIN will want a 1st for him, and we can't afford to trade a 1st for a rental, not the NBA, NFL teams don't do that usually.

WWell he's not getting what 5.4 mil. That's what I'm saying. Restructure so we give him a few extra meal this year then guarantee 15 next year plus incentives and give Minnesota a second. We have to put together a deal he'll want to play for. That doesn't put us at risk for another D Ford situation. But Priority One is signing Bosa. And if we can swing Hunter for a 2-year mini investment I think you have to say where the favorites for the Super Bowl. Screw the pudgy walrus.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by Nastastical:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by elguapo:
I think if any de is signed it will be either Justin Houston or Ingram. An older vet for around $5-6 mil close to training camp. We are probably not going to use more draft capital for a Danielle Hunter or Chase Young even if they get us a comp 3rd next year.

We are going to see what Jackson has at de but if he struggles we can go after a de before the trade deadline.

This is what I'm thinking, with Ngakoue hiring Drew Rosenhaus, I doubt we'll get him, despite the fact we have a good relationship with Drew when it comes to contracts & clients.

I doubt we trade for one before the season, Hunter will cost too much money & pick wise, idk his accrued years played, but if it's 10 or more with 2023 included, we wouldn't get more than a 5th due to a rule that only QBs with 10+ accrued years nets you more than a 5th rd comp pick, as for Chase Young, too injury prone for my taste, plus Washington declined the 5th yr option, would be a rental, and I wouldn't give up more than a late rd pick.

This is going to be Hunter's 8th season, so we'd get a 3rd when he leaves as a FA. For a little over $5 million and a 2nd, I think that's great value if we can greatly improve our pass rush, which also increases our chances of winning a championship.

Thanks wasn't sure what his accrued years were, just seems unlikely that he'll play for $5.4M when he knows we can't afford to pay him long term, if we could get him for 1yr I'd be for it, as long as it's a 3rd rd pick, with conditions to make a 2nd rd pick at most. I fear though MIN will want a 1st for him, and we can't afford to trade a 1st for a rental, not the NBA, NFL teams don't do that usually.

WWell he's not getting what 5.4 mil. That's what I'm saying. Restructure so we give him a few extra meal this year then guarantee 15 next year plus incentives and give Minnesota a second. We have to put together a deal he'll want to play for. That doesn't put us at risk for another D Ford situation. But Priority One is signing Bosa. And if we can swing Hunter for a 2-year mini investment I think you have to say where the favorites for the Super Bowl. Screw the pudgy walrus.

Why would Hunter only sign for 2 years when someone with his production, in his prime, could command a 4+ year deal?

Originally posted by elguapo:
I think if any de is signed it will be either Justin Houston or Ingram. An older vet for around $5-6 mil close to training camp. We are probably not going to use more draft capital for a Danielle Hunter or Chase Young even if they get us a comp 3rd next year.

We are going to see what Jackson has at de but if he struggles we can go after a de before the trade deadline.

Melvin Ingram would be a interesting one and think he'd fit right in.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by Nastastical:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by elguapo:
I think if any de is signed it will be either Justin Houston or Ingram. An older vet for around $5-6 mil close to training camp. We are probably not going to use more draft capital for a Danielle Hunter or Chase Young even if they get us a comp 3rd next year.

We are going to see what Jackson has at de but if he struggles we can go after a de before the trade deadline.

This is what I'm thinking, with Ngakoue hiring Drew Rosenhaus, I doubt we'll get him, despite the fact we have a good relationship with Drew when it comes to contracts & clients.

I doubt we trade for one before the season, Hunter will cost too much money & pick wise, idk his accrued years played, but if it's 10 or more with 2023 included, we wouldn't get more than a 5th due to a rule that only QBs with 10+ accrued years nets you more than a 5th rd comp pick, as for Chase Young, too injury prone for my taste, plus Washington declined the 5th yr option, would be a rental, and I wouldn't give up more than a late rd pick.

This is going to be Hunter's 8th season, so we'd get a 3rd when he leaves as a FA. For a little over $5 million and a 2nd, I think that's great value if we can greatly improve our pass rush, which also increases our chances of winning a championship.

Thanks wasn't sure what his accrued years were, just seems unlikely that he'll play for $5.4M when he knows we can't afford to pay him long term, if we could get him for 1yr I'd be for it, as long as it's a 3rd rd pick, with conditions to make a 2nd rd pick at most. I fear though MIN will want a 1st for him, and we can't afford to trade a 1st for a rental, not the NBA, NFL teams don't do that usually.

WWell he's not getting what 5.4 mil. That's what I'm saying. Restructure so we give him a few extra meal this year then guarantee 15 next year plus incentives and give Minnesota a second. We have to put together a deal he'll want to play for. That doesn't put us at risk for another D Ford situation. But Priority One is signing Bosa. And if we can swing Hunter for a 2-year mini investment I think you have to say where the favorites for the Super Bowl. Screw the pudgy walrus.

Why would Hunter only sign for 2 years when someone with his production, in his prime, could command a 4+ year deal?

Right. I don't have a strong case for it happening. If he cant find the right terms with anyone, its better than staying in minnesota on a 1 year, he would get a ton of stats, and get a mega deal in 2025.

Think we are good on the DL, another edge would put us back to that 2019 form though. Yannick Ngakoue has to be the best option as far as scheme and value. He flourishes in the wide 9 scheme and is asking 8-10M.