Kevin Givens - DL - UDFA

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by RasSuar:

This discussion on PFF is so intellectually dishonest.

That's really the genius behind it. There's a stat for either side and it's marketed by the "local" PFF reps for each team. For instance, Jeff Deeney is our PFF guy. He just posted Mike McGlinchey's run blocking grade. Just his run blocking grade. Most fans will eat that up and move on. The more knowledgeable fans will ask, "Great, we already know his strength. What's his pass blocking grade and overall grade?"

And many are done with very small sample sizes (hidden) and can be pumped up without context.

Yeah, but we've been talking overall grades. Like you mention MM above, his overall PFF grade is on par with Wirfs, as is Tomlinson . But you will dismiss this, whereas you will point to the Givens/Kinlaw overall grades as truth . That's what he's getting at with what folks do with PFF. Use it when it suits them and disregard when it doesn't

Exactly. In the beginning ya'll were referencing Kinlaw's PFF grade because he started out hot, then it stopped when he bombed for quite a few games and now it's back because he had 2 back to back nice games (21 snaps).

His overall point is accurate.

no one has stopped talking him up lol. The irony here is

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by RasSuar:

This discussion on PFF is so intellectually dishonest.

That's really the genius behind it. There's a stat for either side and it's marketed by the "local" PFF reps for each team. For instance, Jeff Deeney is our PFF guy. He just posted Mike McGlinchey's run blocking grade. Just his run blocking grade. Most fans will eat that up and move on. The more knowledgeable fans will ask, "Great, we already know his strength. What's his pass blocking grade and overall grade?"

And many are done with very small sample sizes (hidden) and can be pumped up without context.

Yeah, but we've been talking overall grades. Like you mention MM above, his overall PFF grade is on par with Wirfs, as is Tomlinson . But you will dismiss this, whereas you will point to the Givens/Kinlaw overall grades as truth . That's what he's getting at with what folks do with PFF. Use it when it suits them and disregard when it doesn't

Exactly. In the beginning ya'll were referencing Kinlaw's PFF grade because he started out hot, then it stopped when he bombed for quite a few games and now it's back because he had 2 back to back nice games (21 snaps).

His overall point is accurate.

no one has stopped talking him up lol. The irony here is

LOL what? You have short term memory problems. He was getting run over, pancaked, tossed aside, had no juice in the pass rush whatsoever and instantly fans were talking about him hitting the rookie wall. In fact, his "grades" were in the 50's almost all year until the last two games where he pushed through that rookie wall and had a great 21 snaps last game. LOL. So twisted.

Originally posted by RasSuar:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Kevin Givens is better than Aaron Donald. That's the real takeaway here.

Javon is rubbing off on him.

Facts.


Unfortunately your PFF grades didn't match Givens' (football) game last game.

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's really the genius behind it. There's a stat for either side and it's marketed by the "local" PFF reps for each team.

You mean like this?

Hey, I don't make the grades. I just post them.

Kevin Givens 65.9 >>>>>>>>>> Javon Kinlaw 60.2

....

I'm playing around here but yeah, their (PFF) grading system seriously still needs some work esp. regarding weighting.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by RasSuar:

This discussion on PFF is so intellectually dishonest.

That's really the genius behind it. There's a stat for either side and it's marketed by the "local" PFF reps for each team. For instance, Jeff Deeney is our PFF guy. He just posted Mike McGlinchey's run blocking grade. Just his run blocking grade. Most fans will eat that up and move on. The more knowledgeable fans will ask, "Great, we already know his strength. What's his pass blocking grade and overall grade?"

And many are done with very small sample sizes (hidden) and can be pumped up without context.

Yeah, but we've been talking overall grades. Like you mention MM above, his overall PFF grade is on par with Wirfs, as is Tomlinson . But you will dismiss this, whereas you will point to the Givens/Kinlaw overall grades as truth . That's what he's getting at with what folks do with PFF. Use it when it suits them and disregard when it doesn't

Exactly. In the beginning ya'll were referencing Kinlaw's PFF grade because he started out hot, then it stopped when he bombed for quite a few games and now it's back because he had 2 back to back nice games (21 snaps).

His overall point is accurate.

no one has stopped talking him up lol. The irony here is

LOL what? You have short term memory problems. He was getting run over, pancaked, tossed aside, had no juice in the pass rush whatsoever and instantly fans were talking about him hitting the rookie wall. In fact, his "grades" were in the 50's almost all year until the last two games where he pushed through that rookie wall and had a great 21 snaps last game. LOL. So twisted.

I think you are confusing yourself talking s**t about him with everyone else. I mean you've gone as far as to outright make things up in order to push your agenda
Gotta get that little 21 snap dig in, am I right? Lol
Just remember NC, you are the one who uses PFF when it suits you then mocks it when it doesn't.

Originally posted by RasSuar:

Originally posted by NCommand:

That's really the genius behind it. There's a stat for either side and it's marketed by the "local" PFF reps for each team.

You mean like this?

Hey, I don't make the grades. I just post them.

Kevin Givens 65.9 >>>>>>>>>> Javon Kinlaw 60.2

....

I'm playing around here but yeah, their (PFF) grading system seriously still needs some work esp. regarding weighting.

Were you trying to prove something here? I post everything I can find between NY85 and I.

If you took any stock in PFF, a few weeks ago, you'd think Givens was a superstar compared to Kinlaw's grade. LOL

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's really the genius behind it. There's a stat for either side and it's marketed by the "local" PFF reps for each team.

....

If you took any stock in PFF, a few weeks ago, you'd think Givens was a superstar compared to Kinlaw's grade. LOL

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

I think you are confusing yourself talking s**t about him with everyone else. I mean you've gone as far as to outright make things up in order to push your agenda
Gotta get that little 21 snap dig in, am I right? Lol
Just remember NC, you are the one who uses PFF when it suits you then mocks it when it doesn't.

LOL. So you just ignored the, "We just gotta be patient" crowd from just a couple weeks ago? LOL. You sure about that bro?

Seems like you only attach to the "good" agenda. Not the objective agenda. And objectively, he was certainly struggling.

#1DownDT #15Overall

Originally posted by RasSuar:

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's really the genius behind it. There's a stat for either side and it's marketed by the "local" PFF reps for each team.

....

If you took any stock in PFF, a few weeks ago, you'd think Givens was a superstar compared to Kinlaw's grade. LOL

Again, are you trying to connect a point here?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

I think you are confusing yourself talking s**t about him with everyone else. I mean you've gone as far as to outright make things up in order to push your agenda
Gotta get that little 21 snap dig in, am I right? Lol
Just remember NC, you are the one who uses PFF when it suits you then mocks it when it doesn't.

LOL. So you just ignored the, "We just gotta be patient" crowd from just a couple weeks ago? LOL. You sure about that bro?

Seems like you only attach to the "good" agenda. Not the objective agenda. And objectively, he was certainly struggling.

#1DownDT #15Overall

That's cute trying to label me a homer to divert the conversation lol
There seems to be some selective memory issues at play here. You were doing your normal thing, and some folks said it's normal for a rookie to hit a wall, or if it can even be called that since he was still maintaining a top 3 rookie pressure rate, but more so trying to tell you to pump the brakes because you were making things up and trying to get little digs in whenever you could
You're a good guy, but hardly someone to lecture me on objectivity

Originally posted by NCommand:
Again, are you trying to connect a point here?

Only that you're comically unaware of how much you contradict yourself.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
You're a good guy, but hardly someone to lecture me on objectivity

This guy lecturing someone on objectivity is like Jason Whitllock trying to lecture someone about weight loss tips.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

...some folks said it's normal for a rookie to hit a wall.

Right. That was my point. He was struggling. That just gave me an opportunity to have a little fun.

Originally posted by RasSuar:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Again, are you trying to connect a point here?

Only that you're comically unaware of how much you contradict yourself.

What's sad is you even quoted myself telling you I was playing. Comprehension isn't your thing. But welcome back. We missed you. LOL

Originally posted by NCommand:
What's sad is you even quoted myself telling you I was playing. Comprehension isn't your thing. But welcome back. We missed you. LOL

LOL. C'mon no one believes you were playing. You got caught contradicting yourself and had to double take.