The need for a Fullback?

Shanahan is all about playaction, the fb is typically wide open on playaction or facing man coverage

Advantage juice

we dont have a fullback . we have an OFFENSIVE WEAPON!

SLOW WHITE GUY, FLY PATTERN!

Another advantage having Juice is we could only have 2 TE's active on game days, as Juice can lineup at TE easily. I don't see another FB in the NFL that can do what Juice does, I hope the team extends him next offseason.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by 9moon:
why don't we compare Harbaugh's FB (Red) vs Shanny's FB (Juiz)??

There's nothing to compare, Bruce Miller was a converted EDGE rusher to FB out of UCF in 2011, where Juice is a FB at Harvard, who can do everything that a normal back can do, plus play WR, and TE. Where Miller was never that great as a pass catcher, his tenure as a TE didn't last long, due to 1. his off the field issues, and 2. he sucked as a TE, remember when Chip tried converting him to TE cause his offense doesn't use a FB?

Harbaugh never used the guy as a pass catching FB... and yes, he was an END at UCF and it also tells you how ez it is to play the FB position w/o getting paid...

TRY putting Juiz at the TE position and see what happens...

bottom line, even #48 now can do what Juiz can..

Originally posted by 9moon:

Harbaugh never used the guy as a pass catching FB... and yes, he was an END at UCF and it also tells you how ez it is to play the FB position w/o getting paid...

TRY putting Juiz at the TE position and see what happens...

bottom line, even #48 now can do what Juiz can..

We have, we do and we will continue to do exactly that at times. He has lined up as a FB, H-Back, TE, split out wide like a WR....

It has been well documented if you watch the games good sir.

Originally posted by 9moon:
Harbaugh never used the guy as a pass catching FB... and yes, he was an END at UCF and it also tells you how ez it is to play the FB position w/o getting paid...

TRY putting Juiz at the TE position and see what happens...

bottom line, even #48 now can do what Juiz can..

show me a clip of Miller pass blocking vs best edge rusher in football. Show me a clip of Miller running down the seam beating a LB for a 20 yard gain.

If all you want is a FB that can lead block in a power run offense, then you can get a guy like Miller. FB's like him are a tell it's gonna be a run HENCE why they aren't used much anymore.

Juice can lead block, PP on blitzes, he can carry the ball, he can line up in the slot, go in motion out of the backfield, line up wide etc....When he's on the field there are zero tells for a defense. He's a miss match vs LBers ( go watch the Jags game in 2017), he's an extra blocker, he's a receiver, he's a runner.

Why is that so hard for you to understand? and no #48 can't do what he can.

Lining up JUIZ as TE does not make him a TE... it's just like an H-back or even the Wild Cat... you line up a RB under a center or even on Shot Gun formations does not make them a QB..

Heck, LaDanian Tomlinson may have never threw an incomplete pass inside the 10 yard line.. does that make him a better RB than Barry Sanders??

FBs are known to be THE leading blocker of a HB or TB.. Red blocked as well as Juiz did, it's just Harbaugh doesn't have the offensive brain smart of Shanny and he was never used that way..

Athletic FB gives flexibility for KS to create blocking or receiving mismatches. The FB can be aligned or moved anywhere along the LOS to get a +1 man advantage or more on that half of the ball. In the passing game most fullbacks stay in to block, and sending him out can create and advantage if he is seen entering the route combo.

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
Athletic FB gives flexibility for KS to create blocking or receiving mismatches. The FB can be aligned or moved anywhere along the LOS to get a +1 man advantage or more on that half of the ball. In the passing game most fullbacks stay in to block, and sending him out can create and advantage if he is seen entering the route combo.

pretty much, it's not rocket science and I have no idea why someone is trying to argue why he's on the team.

SF ran out of 21 personnel last yr 42% of the time and one of the reasons SF was top 3 in yards per play on 1st down (there's a big correlation with that stat and being a good offense). Having him on the field helps keep teams in base, yet allows SF to have an extra pass catcher if they want. He's a miss match vs LBers. It also helps sell play-action having a FB on the field...also he's a f**king good blocker and helps in the run game

It's not hard to get. If they were playing a real game vs KC they'd be in 21 personnel all day because their LBers are trash. I'd expect a big day from Kittle/Juice/and our RBs in the passing game.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Another advantage having Juice is we could only have 2 TE's active on game days, as Juice can lineup at TE easily. I don't see another FB in the NFL that can do what Juice does, I hope the team extends him next offseason.

me too

I would also like to add that one of the things that works against him is if the team is struggling on the offensive line and they decide to do more shotgun formations this works against juice.

When you run primarily shotgun formations the fullback position is not really needed and also you can use a tight end to fill in at the same position

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
Athletic FB gives flexibility for KS to create blocking or receiving mismatches. The FB can be aligned or moved anywhere along the LOS to get a +1 man advantage or more on that half of the ball. In the passing game most fullbacks stay in to block, and sending him out can create and advantage if he is seen entering the route combo.

pretty much, it's not rocket science and I have no idea why someone is trying to argue why he's on the team.

SF ran out of 21 personnel last yr 42% of the time and one of the reasons SF was top 3 in yards per play on 1st down (there's a big correlation with that stat and being a good offense). Having him on the field helps keep teams in base, yet allows SF to have an extra pass catcher if they want. He's a miss match vs LBers. It also helps sell play-action having a FB on the field...also he's a f**king good blocker and helps in the run game

It's not hard to get. If they were playing a real game vs KC they'd be in 21 personnel all day because their LBers are trash. I'd expect a big day from Kittle/Juice/and our RBs in the passing game.

I don't think anyone is arguing why he's on the team...

My opinion is that we OVER PAID him...

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
Athletic FB gives flexibility for KS to create blocking or receiving mismatches. The FB can be aligned or moved anywhere along the LOS to get a +1 man advantage or more on that half of the ball. In the passing game most fullbacks stay in to block, and sending him out can create and advantage if he is seen entering the route combo.

pretty much, it's not rocket science and I have no idea why someone is trying to argue why he's on the team.

SF ran out of 21 personnel last yr 42% of the time and one of the reasons SF was top 3 in yards per play on 1st down (there's a big correlation with that stat and being a good offense). Having him on the field helps keep teams in base, yet allows SF to have an extra pass catcher if they want. He's a miss match vs LBers. It also helps sell play-action having a FB on the field...also he's a f**king good blocker and helps in the run game

It's not hard to get. If they were playing a real game vs KC they'd be in 21 personnel all day because their LBers are trash. I'd expect a big day from Kittle/Juice/and our RBs in the passing game.

I don't think anyone is arguing why he's on the team...

My opinion is that we OVER PAID him...

Every NFL player who hits FA gets overpaid.

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by 9moon:
why don't we compare Harbaugh's FB (Red) vs Shanny's FB (Juiz)??

There's nothing to compare, Bruce Miller was a converted EDGE rusher to FB out of UCF in 2011, where Juice is a FB at Harvard, who can do everything that a normal back can do, plus play WR, and TE. Where Miller was never that great as a pass catcher, his tenure as a TE didn't last long, due to 1. his off the field issues, and 2. he sucked as a TE, remember when Chip tried converting him to TE cause his offense doesn't use a FB?

Harbaugh never used the guy as a pass catching FB... and yes, he was an END at UCF and it also tells you how ez it is to play the FB position w/o getting paid...

TRY putting Juiz at the TE position and see what happens...

bottom line, even #48 now can do what Juiz can..

We have lined Juice at TE, and no Mayfield can't do what Juice does. Stop with this BS.

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