PYMWYMI 2019 - UPDATE 9/4

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
So, for the sake of comparison let's look at all teams' worst record years and then how they did 2 years later. The season before Kyle and John took over was tied for the worst season performance in team history(2-14, also in 2004). So, for the sake of fairness let's see how teams did 2 years after their worst year.

Buffalo Bills - 1971, 1-13. 1973, 9-5

Miami Dolphins 2007, 1-15. 2009 7-9

NE Patriots 1990 1-15, 1992, 2-14

NY Jets 1996 1-15, 1998 12-4

Baltimore Ravens 2007 5-11, 2009 9-7

Cincinattie Bengals 2002, 2-14, 2004, 8-8

Cleveland Browns 1993, 3-13(didn't include the 0-16 season because this year will be 2 years removed from that), 1995, 5-11

Steelers 1969, 1-13, 1970, 5-9

Houston Texans 2002, 4-12, 2004, 7-9

IND Colts 1981, 2-14, 1983, 7-9

Jaguars 2012, 2-14, 2014, 3-13

Titans 2014, 2-14, 2016, 9-7

Broncos 1966, 4-10, 1968, 5-9

Kansas City Chiefs 2012, 2-14, 2014, 9-7

Chargers 2000, 1-15, 2002, 8-8

Oakland Raiders 2014, 3-13, 2016, 12-4

Cowboys 1989, 1-15, 1991, 11-5

NY Giants 1966, 1-12-1, 1968, 7-7

Eagles 1971, 2-11-1, 1973, 5-8-1

Washington Redskins 2013, 3-13, 2015, 9-7

Chicago Bears 1975, 4-10, 1977, 9-5

Detroit Lions 2008, 0-16, 2010, 6-10

GB Packers 1986, 4-12, 1988, 4-12

Vikings 1984, 3-13, 1986, 9-7

Falcons 1967, 1-12-1, 6-8

Carolina Panthers 2001, 1-15, 2003, 11-5

Saints 1980, 1-15, 1982, 4-5

Bucs 1976, 0-14, 1978, 5-11

Cardinals 2000, 3-13, 2002, 5-11

Rams 2009, 1-15, 2011, 2-14

Seahawks 2009, 5-11, 2011, 7-9

So, in summary, in the history of the NFL and the records 2 years after each franchises worst record years, there have been 11 out of 32 teams have winning records. There have been 0 SB wins. 12 out of 32 teams have had 5 wins or less 2 years removed from their worst season. Only 4 times in the history of the NFL have teams gone from their worst season to more than 10 wins in only 2 years.

4 times......

Geez.....who was the piece of s**t coach in Cleveland from 1991-95. I'll tell you this much...was under .500 his first 3 years and only had 1 winning season. That guy will never amount to anything in this league.....Mark. My. Words.

Also for us

1978 2-14
1979 2-14
1980 6-10

Always forget how this one turned out....probably should have fired that guy with an 8-24 record in his first 2 years. Kind of seems like that bum in Cleveland in the early 90's

I see what you did there.

Just in case no one has figured it out yet, that was Bill Bellichick......

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
So, for the sake of comparison let's look at all teams' worst record years and then how they did 2 years later. The season before Kyle and John took over was tied for the worst season performance in team history(2-14, also in 2004). So, for the sake of fairness let's see how teams did 2 years after their worst year.

Buffalo Bills - 1971, 1-13. 1973, 9-5

Miami Dolphins 2007, 1-15. 2009 7-9

NE Patriots 1990 1-15, 1992, 2-14

NY Jets 1996 1-15, 1998 12-4

Baltimore Ravens 2007 5-11, 2009 9-7

Cincinattie Bengals 2002, 2-14, 2004, 8-8

Cleveland Browns 1993, 3-13(didn't include the 0-16 season because this year will be 2 years removed from that), 1995, 5-11

Steelers 1969, 1-13, 1970, 5-9

Houston Texans 2002, 4-12, 2004, 7-9

IND Colts 1981, 2-14, 1983, 7-9

Jaguars 2012, 2-14, 2014, 3-13

Titans 2014, 2-14, 2016, 9-7

Broncos 1966, 4-10, 1968, 5-9

Kansas City Chiefs 2012, 2-14, 2014, 9-7

Chargers 2000, 1-15, 2002, 8-8

Oakland Raiders 2014, 3-13, 2016, 12-4

Cowboys 1989, 1-15, 1991, 11-5

NY Giants 1966, 1-12-1, 1968, 7-7

Eagles 1971, 2-11-1, 1973, 5-8-1

Washington Redskins 2013, 3-13, 2015, 9-7

Chicago Bears 1975, 4-10, 1977, 9-5

Detroit Lions 2008, 0-16, 2010, 6-10

GB Packers 1986, 4-12, 1988, 4-12

Vikings 1984, 3-13, 1986, 9-7

Falcons 1967, 1-12-1, 6-8

Carolina Panthers 2001, 1-15, 2003, 11-5

Saints 1980, 1-15, 1982, 4-5

Bucs 1976, 0-14, 1978, 5-11

Cardinals 2000, 3-13, 2002, 5-11

Rams 2009, 1-15, 2011, 2-14

Seahawks 2009, 5-11, 2011, 7-9

So, in summary, in the history of the NFL and the records 2 years after each franchises worst record years, there have been 11 out of 32 teams have winning records. There have been 0 SB wins. 12 out of 32 teams have had 5 wins or less 2 years removed from their worst season. Only 4 times in the history of the NFL have teams gone from their worst season to more than 10 wins in only 2 years.

4 times......

Geez.....who was the piece of s**t coach in Cleveland from 1991-95. I'll tell you this much...was under .500 his first 3 years and only had 1 winning season. That guy will never amount to anything in this league.....Mark. My. Words.

Also for us

1978 2-14
1979 2-14
1980 6-10

Always forget how this one turned out....probably should have fired that guy with an 8-24 record in his first 2 years. Kind of seems like that bum in Cleveland in the early 90's

I see what you did there.

Just in case no one has figured it out yet, that was Bill Bellichick......

Kind of a different animal based on what happened with each team. Every situation is different. Can't just compare W vs L without substance.

1990 NE Coach Rod Rust 1-15, fired
1991-1992 NE Coach Dick MacPherson 6-10, 2-14 then fired
Bill Parcells hired in '93

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
You need a better rebuild plan than this. Shanny and Lynch have a 7 years rebuilt plan. Other teams can go from bottom to the Super Bowl in 2 - 3 years. But not us. Not the 49ers under current management.

Just for the sake of accountability, how many teams have gone from the bottom to the Super Bowl in 3 years or less? Bottom being 2 wins or less.

Just off the top of my head the Carolina Panthers went from 1 - 15 to the Super Bowl. That was 2001 - 2003. 2 years time total.

So, for the sake of comparison let's look at all teams' worst record years and then how they did 2 years later. The season before Kyle and John took over was tied for the worst season performance in team history(2-14, also in 2004). So, for the sake of fairness let's see how teams did 2 years after their worst year.

Buffalo Bills - 1971, 1-13. 1973, 9-5

Miami Dolphins 2007, 1-15. 2009 7-9

NE Patriots 1990 1-15, 1992, 2-14

NY Jets 1996 1-15, 1998 12-4

Baltimore Ravens 2007 5-11, 2009 9-7

Cincinattie Bengals 2002, 2-14, 2004, 8-8

Cleveland Browns 1993, 3-13(didn't include the 0-16 season because this year will be 2 years removed from that), 1995, 5-11

Steelers 1969, 1-13, 1970, 5-9

Houston Texans 2002, 4-12, 2004, 7-9

IND Colts 1981, 2-14, 1983, 7-9

Jaguars 2012, 2-14, 2014, 3-13

Titans 2014, 2-14, 2016, 9-7

Broncos 1966, 4-10, 1968, 5-9

Kansas City Chiefs 2012, 2-14, 2014, 9-7

Chargers 2000, 1-15, 2002, 8-8

Oakland Raiders 2014, 3-13, 2016, 12-4

Cowboys 1989, 1-15, 1991, 11-5

NY Giants 1966, 1-12-1, 1968, 7-7

Eagles 1971, 2-11-1, 1973, 5-8-1

Washington Redskins 2013, 3-13, 2015, 9-7

Chicago Bears 1975, 4-10, 1977, 9-5

Detroit Lions 2008, 0-16, 2010, 6-10

GB Packers 1986, 4-12, 1988, 4-12

Vikings 1984, 3-13, 1986, 9-7

Falcons 1967, 1-12-1, 6-8

Carolina Panthers 2001, 1-15, 2003, 11-5

Saints 1980, 1-15, 1982, 4-5

Bucs 1976, 0-14, 1978, 5-11

Cardinals 2000, 3-13, 2002, 5-11

Rams 2009, 1-15, 2011, 2-14

Seahawks 2009, 5-11, 2011, 7-9

So, in summary, in the history of the NFL and the records 2 years after each franchises worst record years, there have been 11 out of 32 teams have winning records. There have been 0 SB wins. 12 out of 32 teams have had 5 wins or less 2 years removed from their worst season. Only 4 times in the history of the NFL have teams gone from their worst season to more than 10 wins in only 2 years.

4 times......

Originally posted by NCommand:
OP don't forget to link back to the previous years.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

So, for the sake of comparison let's look at all teams' worst record years and then how they did 2 years later. The season before Kyle and John took over was tied for the worst season performance in team history(2-14, also in 2004). So, for the sake of fairness let's see how teams did 2 years after their worst year.

Buffalo Bills - 1971, 1-13. 1973, 9-5

Miami Dolphins 2007, 1-15. 2009 7-9

NE Patriots 1990 1-15, 1992, 2-14

NY Jets 1996 1-15, 1998 12-4

Baltimore Ravens 2007 5-11, 2009 9-7

Cincinattie Bengals 2002, 2-14, 2004, 8-8

Cleveland Browns 1993, 3-13(didn't include the 0-16 season because this year will be 2 years removed from that), 1995, 5-11

Steelers 1969, 1-13, 1970, 5-9

Houston Texans 2002, 4-12, 2004, 7-9

IND Colts 1981, 2-14, 1983, 7-9

Jaguars 2012, 2-14, 2014, 3-13

Titans 2014, 2-14, 2016, 9-7

Broncos 1966, 4-10, 1968, 5-9

Kansas City Chiefs 2012, 2-14, 2014, 9-7

Chargers 2000, 1-15, 2002, 8-8

Oakland Raiders 2014, 3-13, 2016, 12-4

Cowboys 1989, 1-15, 1991, 11-5

NY Giants 1966, 1-12-1, 1968, 7-7

Eagles 1971, 2-11-1, 1973, 5-8-1

Washington Redskins 2013, 3-13, 2015, 9-7

Chicago Bears 1975, 4-10, 1977, 9-5

Detroit Lions 2008, 0-16, 2010, 6-10

GB Packers 1986, 4-12, 1988, 4-12

Vikings 1984, 3-13, 1986, 9-7

Falcons 1967, 1-12-1, 6-8

Carolina Panthers 2001, 1-15, 2003, 11-5

Saints 1980, 1-15, 1982, 4-5

Bucs 1976, 0-14, 1978, 5-11

Cardinals 2000, 3-13, 2002, 5-11

Rams 2009, 1-15, 2011, 2-14

Seahawks 2009, 5-11, 2011, 7-9

So, in summary, in the history of the NFL and the records 2 years after each franchises worst record years, there have been 11 out of 32 teams have winning records. There have been 0 SB wins. 12 out of 32 teams have had 5 wins or less 2 years removed from their worst season. Only 4 times in the history of the NFL have teams gone from their worst season to more than 10 wins in only 2 years.

4 times......

Geez.....who was the piece of s**t coach in Cleveland from 1991-95. I'll tell you this much...was under .500 his first 3 years and only had 1 winning season. That guy will never amount to anything in this league.....Mark. My. Words.

Also for us

1978 2-14
1979 2-14
1980 6-10

Always forget how this one turned out....probably should have fired that guy with an 8-24 record in his first 2 years. Kind of seems like that bum in Cleveland in the early 90's

I see what you did there.

Just in case no one has figured it out yet, that was Bill Bellichick......

Kind of a different animal based on what happened with each team. Every situation is different. Can't just compare W vs L without substance.

1990 NE Coach Rod Rust 1-15, fired
1991-1992 NE Coach Dick MacPherson 6-10, 2-14 then fired
Bill Parcells hired in '93

Of course there's more to it than W's L's but this was part of the conversation on how there's this thought that soooo many teams can just turn around a franchise in 2 years.

My point was to objectively look at the 2 year result after a teams worst year since that's what we had in 2016. Tied for the franchise worst year.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by NCommand:

OP don't forget to link back to the previous years.

Watcha want to see?