Coaches Film Analysis: 2019 Season

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by ProfessorKel:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

Originally posted by GEEK:

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
Jonny,
Could Saleh employ a 4-2-5 or 4-1-6 against the Chiefs?
and/or
Tavarious Moore as a spy on Mahomes and/on man coverage on T. Hill?

We did throw T. Moore in, in a "big" Dime for a couple plays against GB. I could see us utilizing that a lot in the SB, for real. T. Moore can match anyone, even T. Hill, in speed and also has put on size to be an interchangeable safety. The personnel one those plays were: Bosa, Buck, AA, Ford, Warner, Moore, K'Waun, Tartt, Ward, Moseley and Sherm.

With how piss poor KC is at running it and how our D-line matches their O-line I can see us stopping the run and getting pressure with our front 4 and letting the speed roam and frustrate their passing offense.

moore is that fast? wut

Moore has 4.3 speed, yo.

WAT

Yeah, he ran like a 4.33 or something at the combine and he's about as tall as sherm

During E-Man's interception and the defense rushed down to the endzone and did the whole "group photo" pose, Moore was in.

I was wondering why I saw #33, but now that you're mentioning he was in on dime-packages, that makes sense! Let's go!!!!! The Chiefs are not ready for our detail, chemistry, and relentlessness.

They whole defense went to celebrate on that EMann INT (Spoon got in the picture too, he was not on the field for the INT). Moore had a total of 1 defensive snap in the GB game (according to pro football reference), and that wasn't the play.

Maybe Saleh has a few packages where Moore is in, but I'm hesitant to put an inexperienced guy in any type of semi-significant role, on the biggest stage, vs a high skill receiving corp. If he is in the SB, my guess is Ward comes down to play CB and Moore is in at safety. No way should Saleh put a guy that was a college safety, one year as CB, then back to safety, back to CB for the Super Bowl.

I'm not a fan of him coming in a completely different position or role, but since he's played one of our safeties and our safeties are pretty interchangeable, we play with safeties in deep 1/3, hook/curl and curl/flat zones a lot in our D. I could see them subbing him in for a big DIME in one of those zones. He's got game experience and with our matching zone I like him in a hook/curl matching T. Hill on those deep over routes a lot more than K'Waun Williams or Greenlaw. Wouldn't be anything new for him, really.

If Greenlaw shows he can't cut it then perhaps put in a package with Moore as plan C. Plan B should be replace Greenlaw with Kwon at one of the nickel LB spots. Otherwise I'd rather have Greenlaw as he's more proven than Moore, even if he isn't as fast as Moore. I know they play different positions but the argument here is do the 49ers replace their 4-2-5 nickel with 4-1-6. The other aspect is if the 49ers want to run lots of presnap disguise or make quick presnap checks and audibles, can Moore handle those things. It's good to be fast, as Moore is faster than Greenlaw, I just don't believe that faster means better.

Originally posted by thl408:
If Greenlaw shows he can't cut it then perhaps put in a package with Moore as plan C. Plan B should be replace Greenlaw with Kwon at one of the nickel LB spots. Otherwise I'd rather have Greenlaw as he's more proven than Moore, even if he isn't as fast as Moore. I know they play different positions but the argument here is do the 49ers replace their 4-2-5 nickel with 4-1-6. The other aspect is if the 49ers want to run lots of presnap disguise or make quick presnap checks and audibles, can Moore handle those things. It's good to be fast, as Moore is faster than Greenlaw, I just don't believe that faster means better.

When Walsh installed a 4-1-6 in SB 19 (including on first down), the Niners had previously played a 3-4 in base. He took out regulars Dan Bunz, Riki Ellison and Jack Reynolds at linebacker. He replaced them with ER Fred Dean and DBs Tom Holmoe and Dana McLemore. Holmoe and McLemore had been little used in defense previously. So, the Niners' defense underwent at least as big of a change as I'm suggesting might be considered in SB 54.

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:

Originally posted by thl408:
If Greenlaw shows he can't cut it then perhaps put in a package with Moore as plan C. Plan B should be replace Greenlaw with Kwon at one of the nickel LB spots. Otherwise I'd rather have Greenlaw as he's more proven than Moore, even if he isn't as fast as Moore. I know they play different positions but the argument here is do the 49ers replace their 4-2-5 nickel with 4-1-6. The other aspect is if the 49ers want to run lots of presnap disguise or make quick presnap checks and audibles, can Moore handle those things. It's good to be fast, as Moore is faster than Greenlaw, I just don't believe that faster means better.

When Walsh installed a 4-1-6 in SB 19 (including on first down), the Niners had previously played a 3-4 in base. He took out regulars Dan Bunz, Riki Ellison and Jack Reynolds at linebacker. He replaced them with ER Fred Dean and DBs Tom Holmoe and Dana McLemore. Holmoe and McLemore had been little used in defense previously. So, the Niners' defense underwent at least as big of a change as I'm suggesting might be considered in SB 54.

Good knowledge. I was too young to remember those specifics. Seems like it can happen and it'd be a wrinkle KC can't scout for since it's not on film. If Saleh uses it, it'd be such a Belichik-like adjustment. I'm not going to pretend I know more than Saleh. If he goes with this tactic, he'll have his good reasons.

Thanks a bunch jonnydel. I watch every one of your film analyses. They are great!

thl408, if you have the time and inclination, could you give your opinion about what happened in the second half of the GB game where the Packers were able to move the ball so much more consistently than the first half. I've heard a lot of people say that the defense just let down a bit, but I'm wondering if the Packers coaches saw something(s) and made adjustments that allowed them to be more successful than the first half. I hope there wasn't anything the Chiefs can implement. What do you think?

Thanks.

Originally posted by 49erphan:
Thanks a bunch jonnydel. I watch every one of your film analyses. They are great!

thl408, if you have the time and inclination, could you give your opinion about what happened in the second half of the GB game where the Packers were able to move the ball so much more consistently than the first half. I've heard a lot of people say that the defense just let down a bit, but I'm wondering if the Packers coaches saw something(s) and made adjustments that allowed them to be more successful than the first half. I hope there wasn't anything the Chiefs can implement. What do you think?

Thanks.

The one thing that stood out to me the most between what GB was doing in the 1st half compared to the 2nd half was that in the 2nd half GB spread things out formationally. This created a natural horizontal stretch in the 49ers zone coverages. Rodgers started to throw more in rhythm of the play, not holding the ball as long, and taking underneath throws. They also force fed DAdams with screens and quick throws.

But to me the main thing was what GB did with their formations. In the 2nd half it was clear they made a conscious effort to use WRs in plus splits - lined up outside the numbers, to both sides of the field. This spread out the 49ers zones and gave the WRs some more room to operate. You don't need the all22 to check this out. Most definitely KC will look to do this on occasion.

Thanks JD, you're the man as always!! JD and THL, examples of why the WZ is great.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

Originally posted by thl408:

This is the play Jimmy's knee brace came through in the clutch.
Sanders in the slot smoked that CB.

watching this makes me sick. every time. what the f**k man.

This is why the NFL banned these kind if hits. It's stuff like this guys do, they know exactly what they're doing.

It looks like jimmy threw the ball right before he hit his knee. Looks like he should of made that throw

Got some stuff on the defense. What worked, what didn't

Originally posted by braap49er:

It looks like jimmy threw the ball right before he hit his knee. Looks like he should of made that throw

You can't assume what was going on in his mind at that time just because it looked like he had time to throw.

Originally posted by Stanley:

Originally posted by braap49er:
It looks like jimmy threw the ball right before he hit his knee. Looks like he should of made that throw

You can't assume what was going on in his mind at that time just because it looked like he had time to throw.

and remember THL is showing that at 1/10 speed. I don't care who you are, not being able to step into a throw and having a 300+ lb guy diving at your repaired knee is going to affect a throw.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Got some stuff on the defense. What worked, what didn't

Nice breakdown of the EMann INT. The coverage this season has been so much tighter. Between Joe Woods' influence, stability at the safety positions, and the improved pass rush, the secondary has gotten their act together. Remember last season when every game there was a blown coverage? That's not happening much more and when it does, the pass rush helps mask it.

jd you showed a number of plays from the 2nd half. Did you notice GB spread things out horizontally through formation in the 2nd half? 1st half there were many bunch trips formations. GB scrapped that in the 2nd half. Nearly every play in the 2nd half had at least 1 WR outside the numbers, many had two outside the numbers - one to each side. I can see KC doing this to give those speedy WRs more space to operate. The downside of this is that throws outside the numbers are far, but Mahomes has a cannon so that lessens the downside.

Originally posted by thl408:

jd you showed a number of plays from the 2nd half. Did you notice GB spread things out horizontally through formation in the 2nd half? 1st half there were many bunch trips formations. GB scrapped that in the 2nd half. Nearly every play in the 2nd half had at least 1 WR outside the numbers, many had two outside the numbers - one to each side. I can see KC doing this to give those speedy WRs more space to operate. The downside of this is that throws outside the numbers are far, but Mahomes has a cannon so that lessens the downside.

I think that was just the product of desperation. They HAD to throw the ball to get back in so they threw out their original gameplan, their rushing attack. And spread it out to throw it. KC already does that stuff so I'm more confident in our gameplan coming in to be prepared for that than GB's much more balanced attack.

Honestly in my opinion Greenlaw has played coverage just as good as Alexander had before he got hurt, and I think Greenlaw is better against the run than Alexander. I see no reason to give Alexander his ILB spot back. I suppose Kwon might be a little better of a matchup against Kelce. What say you THL/JD? I've been extremely impressed with Greenlaw

Originally posted by Luckycharms:

Honestly in my opinion Greenlaw has played coverage just as good as Alexander had before he got hurt, and I think Greenlaw is better against the run than Alexander. I see no reason to give Alexander his ILB spot back. I suppose Kwon might be a little better of a matchup against Kelce. What day you THL/JD. I've been extremely impressed with Greenlaw

We're very fortunate to have 3, very good LB's.