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Jan 23, 2020 at 7:04 PM
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by Luckycharms:
Honestly in my opinion Greenlaw has played coverage just as good as Alexander had before he got hurt, and I think Greenlaw is better against the run than Alexander. I see no reason to give Alexander his ILB spot back. I suppose Kwon might be a little better of a matchup against Kelce. What day you THL/JD. I've been extremely impressed with Greenlaw

We're very fortunate to have 3, very good LB's.

This defense is at its absolute best IMO when we have a lead, and our dline can pin their ears back and attack. If we jump out to an early lead vs KC we win IMO. We can control the clock with the run and force KC to throw against our pass rush and our very good linebackers and secondary.

As you have said Jdel "I DO NOT FEAR THEM"
[ Edited by Thanos89 on Jan 23, 2020 at 7:04 PM ]
Jan 23, 2020 at 7:08 PM
Originally posted by thl408:
Nice breakdown of the EMann INT. The coverage this season has been so much tighter. Between Joe Woods' influence, stability at the safety positions, and the improved pass rush, the secondary has gotten their act together. Remember last season when every game there was a blown coverage? That's not happening much more and when it does, the pass rush helps mask it.

Lynch needs to offer a max contract and assistant coach title for Coach Woods. Great addition.
Jan 23, 2020 at 8:09 PM
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J.T. O'Sullivan's YouTube channel is bomb too.

Yes, THAT J.T. O'Sullivan.

He did a full game breakdown of our running game against GB

Btw, Jonny? I wish you did longer videos. If we win, I would love to see and entire game breakdown from you
Jan 23, 2020 at 8:11 PM
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Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by Luckycharms:
Honestly in my opinion Greenlaw has played coverage just as good as Alexander had before he got hurt, and I think Greenlaw is better against the run than Alexander. I see no reason to give Alexander his ILB spot back. I suppose Kwon might be a little better of a matchup against Kelce. What day you THL/JD. I've been extremely impressed with Greenlaw

We're very fortunate to have 3, very good LB's.

Kwon is fast but he doesn't often wrap up and misses a lot of tackles. Although usually it slows the ball carrier down enough that someone else can get there
Jan 24, 2020 at 6:53 AM
Originally posted by All22:
J.T. O'Sullivan's YouTube channel is bomb too.

Yes, THAT J.T. O'Sullivan.

He did a full game breakdown of our running game against GB

Btw, Jonny? I wish you did longer videos. If we win, I would love to see and entire game breakdown from you

I wish I had the time, man. Think about the length of the video on a multiplier, it takes about an hour for every 3 minutes of video time, once I've watched the film.

So, with 30 minutes of video time in 2 days, that's 10 hours and then I'm trying to get another 25 minutes or so of content out over the next couple days.
I'm not saying that to complain, more meaning, there's only so much time in a day and the bigger focus on everyone's mind isnt as much how we beat the packers, but how can we beat the chiefs.
Jan 24, 2020 at 6:58 AM
Dude let's just take a moment and realize how great juice/Kittle are as blockers it's Iike having two extra lineman out there


[ Edited by NYniner85 on Jan 24, 2020 at 7:13 AM ]
Jan 24, 2020 at 7:10 AM
Originally posted by All22:
J.T. O'Sullivan's YouTube channel is bomb too.

Yes, THAT J.T. O'Sullivan.

He did a full game breakdown of our running game against GB

Btw, Jonny? I wish you did longer videos. If we win, I would love to see and entire game breakdown from you

I tried to watch that but it lost me early. I may have to give it another look given what you said.
Jan 24, 2020 at 7:34 AM
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
Originally posted by thl408:
If Greenlaw shows he can't cut it then perhaps put in a package with Moore as plan C. Plan B should be replace Greenlaw with Kwon at one of the nickel LB spots. Otherwise I'd rather have Greenlaw as he's more proven than Moore, even if he isn't as fast as Moore. I know they play different positions but the argument here is do the 49ers replace their 4-2-5 nickel with 4-1-6. The other aspect is if the 49ers want to run lots of presnap disguise or make quick presnap checks and audibles, can Moore handle those things. It's good to be fast, as Moore is faster than Greenlaw, I just don't believe that faster means better.

When Walsh installed a 4-1-6 in SB 19 (including on first down), the Niners had previously played a 3-4 in base. He took out regulars Dan Bunz, Riki Ellison and Jack Reynolds at linebacker. He replaced them with ER Fred Dean and DBs Tom Holmoe and Dana McLemore. Holmoe and McLemore had been little used in defense previously. So, the Niners' defense underwent at least as big of a change as I'm suggesting might be considered in SB 54.

Good knowledge. I was too young to remember those specifics. Seems like it can happen and it'd be a wrinkle KC can't scout for since it's not on film. If Saleh uses it, it'd be such a Belichik-like adjustment. I'm not going to pretend I know more than Saleh. If he goes with this tactic, he'll have his good reasons.

I doubt he makes any big changes, at least to start. For all his talk about 'all gas no brakes', it seems like his natural tendencies are to play it safe.
Jan 24, 2020 at 8:13 AM
Originally posted by Bluesbro:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
Originally posted by thl408:
If Greenlaw shows he can't cut it then perhaps put in a package with Moore as plan C. Plan B should be replace Greenlaw with Kwon at one of the nickel LB spots. Otherwise I'd rather have Greenlaw as he's more proven than Moore, even if he isn't as fast as Moore. I know they play different positions but the argument here is do the 49ers replace their 4-2-5 nickel with 4-1-6. The other aspect is if the 49ers want to run lots of presnap disguise or make quick presnap checks and audibles, can Moore handle those things. It's good to be fast, as Moore is faster than Greenlaw, I just don't believe that faster means better.

When Walsh installed a 4-1-6 in SB 19 (including on first down), the Niners had previously played a 3-4 in base. He took out regulars Dan Bunz, Riki Ellison and Jack Reynolds at linebacker. He replaced them with ER Fred Dean and DBs Tom Holmoe and Dana McLemore. Holmoe and McLemore had been little used in defense previously. So, the Niners' defense underwent at least as big of a change as I'm suggesting might be considered in SB 54.

Good knowledge. I was too young to remember those specifics. Seems like it can happen and it'd be a wrinkle KC can't scout for since it's not on film. If Saleh uses it, it'd be such a Belichik-like adjustment. I'm not going to pretend I know more than Saleh. If he goes with this tactic, he'll have his good reasons.

I doubt he makes any big changes, at least to start. For all his talk about 'all gas no brakes', it seems like his natural tendencies are to play it safe.

You may be right, but Saleh did early on "travel" Sherman to follow Davante Adams in the NFC title game. That was a big change. After the Niners big lead, Saleh played it safer by reverting to form with Sherman staying on the left side. But Adams was more successful in the second half.
Jan 24, 2020 at 8:57 AM
Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
Originally posted by Bluesbro:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
Originally posted by thl408:
If Greenlaw shows he can't cut it then perhaps put in a package with Moore as plan C. Plan B should be replace Greenlaw with Kwon at one of the nickel LB spots. Otherwise I'd rather have Greenlaw as he's more proven than Moore, even if he isn't as fast as Moore. I know they play different positions but the argument here is do the 49ers replace their 4-2-5 nickel with 4-1-6. The other aspect is if the 49ers want to run lots of presnap disguise or make quick presnap checks and audibles, can Moore handle those things. It's good to be fast, as Moore is faster than Greenlaw, I just don't believe that faster means better.

When Walsh installed a 4-1-6 in SB 19 (including on first down), the Niners had previously played a 3-4 in base. He took out regulars Dan Bunz, Riki Ellison and Jack Reynolds at linebacker. He replaced them with ER Fred Dean and DBs Tom Holmoe and Dana McLemore. Holmoe and McLemore had been little used in defense previously. So, the Niners' defense underwent at least as big of a change as I'm suggesting might be considered in SB 54.

Good knowledge. I was too young to remember those specifics. Seems like it can happen and it'd be a wrinkle KC can't scout for since it's not on film. If Saleh uses it, it'd be such a Belichik-like adjustment. I'm not going to pretend I know more than Saleh. If he goes with this tactic, he'll have his good reasons.

I doubt he makes any big changes, at least to start. For all his talk about 'all gas no brakes', it seems like his natural tendencies are to play it safe.

You may be right, but Saleh did early on "travel" Sherman to follow Davante Adams in the NFC title game. That was a big change. After the Niners big lead, Saleh played it safer by reverting to form with Sherman staying on the left side. But Adams was more successful in the second half.

Saleh said he was just trying to mess with Matt LeFleur's head. By showing that early, you make it less predictable who will be where and who's on who. For example, if you're in 2nd and 9, teams might run to the right side, not to get a first down, but to create more room to the left side of the field away from Sherman to work a concept. If you've shown Sherm on the left side once or twice, they're going to think twice about using such an approach and now you've got them playing out of their gameplan.
Jan 24, 2020 at 10:11 AM
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Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
Originally posted by Bluesbro:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
Originally posted by thl408:
If Greenlaw shows he can't cut it then perhaps put in a package with Moore as plan C. Plan B should be replace Greenlaw with Kwon at one of the nickel LB spots. Otherwise I'd rather have Greenlaw as he's more proven than Moore, even if he isn't as fast as Moore. I know they play different positions but the argument here is do the 49ers replace their 4-2-5 nickel with 4-1-6. The other aspect is if the 49ers want to run lots of presnap disguise or make quick presnap checks and audibles, can Moore handle those things. It's good to be fast, as Moore is faster than Greenlaw, I just don't believe that faster means better.

When Walsh installed a 4-1-6 in SB 19 (including on first down), the Niners had previously played a 3-4 in base. He took out regulars Dan Bunz, Riki Ellison and Jack Reynolds at linebacker. He replaced them with ER Fred Dean and DBs Tom Holmoe and Dana McLemore. Holmoe and McLemore had been little used in defense previously. So, the Niners' defense underwent at least as big of a change as I'm suggesting might be considered in SB 54.

Good knowledge. I was too young to remember those specifics. Seems like it can happen and it'd be a wrinkle KC can't scout for since it's not on film. If Saleh uses it, it'd be such a Belichik-like adjustment. I'm not going to pretend I know more than Saleh. If he goes with this tactic, he'll have his good reasons.

I doubt he makes any big changes, at least to start. For all his talk about 'all gas no brakes', it seems like his natural tendencies are to play it safe.

You may be right, but Saleh did early on "travel" Sherman to follow Davante Adams in the NFC title game. That was a big change. After the Niners big lead, Saleh played it safer by reverting to form with Sherman staying on the left side. But Adams was more successful in the second half.

Saleh said he was just trying to mess with Matt LeFleur's head. By showing that early, you make it less predictable who will be where and who's on who. For example, if you're in 2nd and 9, teams might run to the right side, not to get a first down, but to create more room to the left side of the field away from Sherman to work a concept. If you've shown Sherm on the left side once or twice, they're going to think twice about using such an approach and now you've got them playing out of their gameplan.

I think Sherman was playing as the boundary CB, not necessarily shadowing DAdams. We've seen Saleh do this before, particularly at the start of the 2017 season, for the first 4 games. Back then it was RRobinson and DJohnson. One guy was always the boundary CB (short side of field based on which hash mark the ball is placed), one guy was the field CB (wider side of field).

If you look at the first drive of the game, this holds true on all except for one snap where there was some confusion in the secondary.
Jan 24, 2020 at 10:25 AM
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Here are the first 7 defensive downs of the game for the 49ers. I marked where Sherman and DAdams lined up. Notice Sherman is always on the boundary side of the field. He isn't shadowing DAdams, Adams just happens to line up on the boundary side.

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Jan 24, 2020 at 10:27 AM
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My theory on why this is being done is that some offenses will to dial up certain route combinations to the boundary side, and certain route combinations to the field side. So having one CB always play the boundary, and one CB always play the field, allows that CB to repeatedly see the same route combinations run against him.
Jan 24, 2020 at 10:42 AM
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Dude let's just take a moment and realize how great juice/Kittle are as blockers it's Iike having two extra lineman out there


I think I watched that about 500 times today. I can't get enough of how awesome Kyle is on the run game. He's taken the run game to another level.

New West Coast run offense? It's pretty much unstoppable with the right kind of players.

Green Bay were in 8 man fronts a majority of those run plays and Kyle was still gashing them for 10+ yards a pop. dang!
Jan 24, 2020 at 10:45 AM
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Originally posted by thl408:
My theory on why this is being done is that some offenses will to dial up certain route combinations to the boundary side, and certain route combinations to the field side. So having one CB always play the boundary, and one CB always play the field, allows that CB to repeatedly see the same route combinations run against him.

This and skillset. I played field-side CB in college and that was because I was a better cover corner than I was a tackler. Our boundary CB was bigger, not as fast, but more physical. That describes Moseley and Sherman as well. I wasn't even aware the 49ers do this, thanks for pointing that out.
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