Coaches Film Analysis: 2019 Season

Thl408 where do we have to be stronger against the Toots? Pass or Run Defense? What do we have to do to contain Wilson to shut down his passing game?

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:

My thought is to run more 5-man lines such as a 5-2-4 these next two weeks. Add Solomon to shoot gaps. This would take an LB off the field but Greenlaw could use the time to better understand his new position in replacing Kwon. The other LBs will be making adjustments also. The five-man front will at least surprise Seattle, not having seen the Niners use it much. It would allow the Niners to maintain the wide-9 while helping to fill in between the ends and allow the ERs to take a deeper angle to hem in the quarterback and better react to the option.

You mean 5-2-4 with five DLmen? That seems kind of drastic and you'll lose coverage ability of the TE/RBs but sure it's possible. I think the easiest, least intrusive thing to do is move to an Over front on run/pass neutral downs. It brings the DLmen closer together while keeping a four man front, all LBs are still off the ball, and it doesn't lose coverage ability since there isn't an extra DLman on the field. We'll see these next few weeks how Saleh plays it as the run defense will get tested big time.

I agree

Too drastic but after what we saw I completely understand the thinking behind the idea.

Seeing them getting ran on like that was frustrating

I think I should work the same it does like in pass coverage early in games.

Play off (or wide in the case of the defensive line)

And if they are having success like the cardinals were on the inside run just bring the DE's tighter and tighter till it's no longer there

Having a guy on the line may be a bit much at this point

Originally posted by Goatie:
Thl408 where do we have to be stronger against the Toots? Pass or Run Defense? What do we have to do to contain Wilson to shut down his passing game?

I feel like the 49ers have to be strong against the pass. The reason is with the defensive line that the 49ers have, forcing teams to go on 10+ play drives increases the chance that the offense will commit a holding call, give up a sack, or throw an errant pass, all which can kill the drive. There have been a number of touchdowns given up this season where the offense scores on a huge chunk play, completely bypassing the red zone. Prevent those types of chunk gains and force SEA to methodically move the ball down the field. I'll take my chances with this 49er defense in the red zone. Those 20+ yard chunk plays is how the SEA passing offense makes its living - they currently have the 4th most 20+ yard passing plays.

All that goes out the window if SEA shows patience with the running game and are stubborn with it, something they may very well do.

Originally posted by Goatie:
Thl408 where do we have to be stronger against the Toots? Pass or Run Defense? What do we have to do to contain Wilson to shut down his passing game?

we dont have to do anything. we're just fans who sit on our asses and watch.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Goatie:
Thl408 where do we have to be stronger against the Toots? Pass or Run Defense? What do we have to do to contain Wilson to shut down his passing game?

I feel like the 49ers have to be strong against the pass. The reason is with the defensive line that the 49ers have, forcing teams to go on 10+ play drives increases the chance that the offense will commit a holding call, give up a sack, or throw an errant pass, all which can kill the drive. There have been a number of touchdowns given up this season where the offense scores on a huge chunk play, completely bypassing the red zone. Prevent those types of chunk gains and force SEA to methodically move the ball down the field. I'll take my chances with this 49er defense in the red zone. Those 20+ yard chunk plays is how the SEA passing offense makes its living - they currently have the 4th most 20+ yard passing plays.

All that goes out the window if SEA shows patience with the running game and are stubborn with it, something they may very well do.

makes sense

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by lamontb:
We need a breakdown of why the run defense isn't up to par

If Thl has time for that ill let him handle that. I'm currently at the airport picking up my mother in law and my wife and I have a business trip out of town til saturday. Itll be a miracle if I can get part 3 out soon

But, like I said in the OP, had to do with LB's not filling forcefully enough on pulling guards.

good luck bro

Originally posted by thl408:
2Q 1st & 10
ARI uses the same play above and flips the formation. Notice the split between the RT and TEs.


LBs both do not respond to the pulling guard. Kwon playing a good 6 yards off the LoS.


By formation, ARI is again able to get a big C gap.


Unlike EMann above, Sherman stays in position, does not get in the mess at the line of scrimmage, and is able to be another layer of defense in case the RB gets through.


+8

Originally posted by thl408:
4Q 2nd & 2
Tartt is playing Quarters and also has the C gap. ARI will pull the RG to lead through the C gap.


Tartt is reading #2. If #2 goes out for a route, then drop to zone and make additional reads. If #2 stays in to block, Tartt is a C gap player.


Day cannot hold his ground on the double team block. Tartt sees #2 stay in to block but instead of coming up for run support, he gets depth. I don't know what he's exactly taught to do here, but if #2 stays to block, the first thought should be 'run'.


+8 Notice the recognition by Greenlaw to the pulling guard, that's good. But he can only meet the guard in the hole, someone else has to come and clean up. The zone read action allows ARI to not have to block Ford and also holds Warner on the backside because they are both afraid of Murray keeping.

Sheldon Day gets owned on both of these plays. I hope he cleans that up before Monday, or it might be a long day whenever they run to his side.

thl much appreciated on the defensive breakdown. So the Rams and Cards have been using plays to beat the wide 9. Sure Seattle will add in the read option to make it more confusing. Looks like Warner really needs to step it up.

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
Sheldon Day gets owned on both of these plays. I hope he cleans that up before Monday, or it might be a long day whenever they run to his side.

Yea Day has been getting tossed around all year. Good to give guys a breather but Day needs to be out of the interior rotation.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Goatie:
Thl408 where do we have to be stronger against the Toots? Pass or Run Defense? What do we have to do to contain Wilson to shut down his passing game?

I feel like the 49ers have to be strong against the pass. The reason is with the defensive line that the 49ers have, forcing teams to go on 10+ play drives increases the chance that the offense will commit a holding call, give up a sack, or throw an errant pass, all which can kill the drive. There have been a number of touchdowns given up this season where the offense scores on a huge chunk play, completely bypassing the red zone. Prevent those types of chunk gains and force SEA to methodically move the ball down the field. I'll take my chances with this 49er defense in the red zone. Those 20+ yard chunk plays is how the SEA passing offense makes its living - they currently have the 4th most 20+ yard passing plays.

All that goes out the window if SEA shows patience with the running game and are stubborn with it, something they may very well do.

^^^ This 100%. I think too much is being made of the poor run defense. Our overall defense has been HISTORICALLY good, really what more can you ask for?

I don't think the niners defense should change unless they absolutely need to especially with the great QBs coming up. Stopping the pass is so much more important than stopping the run. Force teams to go on 10+ play drives because of the inefficiency of running the ball. I'm certain that eventually one of our D-linemen will make a stop or the offense will make a mistake and they will be in 2nd and 3rd and long situations where our defense will feast!

Originally posted by thl408:
You mean 5-2-4 with five DLmen? That seems kind of drastic and you'll lose coverage ability of the TE/RBs but sure it's possible. I think the easiest, least intrusive thing to do is move to an Over front on run/pass neutral downs. It brings the DLmen closer together while keeping a four man front, all LBs are still off the ball, and it doesn't lose coverage ability since there isn't an extra DLman on the field. We'll see these next few weeks how Saleh plays it as the run defense will get tested big time.

Somehow, i completely missed the previous page, while the 3-4 was discussed. But i will leave it anyways.

The formation thst is intriguing to me is the 3-4 front. With armstead/thomas/buckner at end and DJ jones at NT. Then bosa and ford rotating at the OLB spot, and occasionally lining up at both.

I guess the big question is how comfortable are they with bosa or ford actually dropping into a zone.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Hey everybody!
Can't believe we've been able to go the first 2 months of the season only watching winning football! That's awesome!
Jimmy G - what's there to say but a lot. As many of you know, I've been breaking down our games since 2012. I've watched every game going back to the 2011 season.
I don't know if I've ever seen a defense throw as many different things at our quarterback as I saw the Cardinals try and do. While they were primarily in man-coverage, they tried at least 12 different coverage's against him this past game and he beat every one. They did everything. Brought 6, brought 5, brought 4, brought 3, tried zone, tried man, tried combo coverage's. Nothing worked. He had an answer for everything.

One of the best games I've seen from a niner QB. Flat out.

DEFENSE - the worry that I had during the off-season with our new wide 9 appeared. The concern I had was, would our smaller LB's be able to hold up against a power-man scheme between the tackles? The wide 9 with only 4 down lineman leaves a lot of space for the guards to get up on the LB's and with undersized LB's that can be a problem. Well, it was. It'll be interesting to see how Saleh and his position coaches address this in the next game against ARI. Do we go back to a 4-3 Under? I would believe it would be helpful. We'll see.

Well, on to the film!

Originally posted by thl408:
Since jd hit on all the Jimmy highlights I'll show the defensive lowlights defending the run. Yay, the fun stuff. I'll get to it tonight.

listen to Jimmy answer this question

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1:28

what sanders bring to the offense

it's a total non-cookie cutter answer. he mentions how he loves it when the receiver sees what he's seeing on the field in terms of the soft spot in the zone, and when they know whether to cut their route short or extend it.

perfectly explains the "chemistry" they have. Jimmy already sees the field like a veteran, sanders is a vet, similar offense, it's no surprise they're clicking so fast.

Originally posted by thl408:

Since I'm showing the six KDrake runs where he got 8+ yards consecutively, what I'm not showing right now are the runs where the 49ers made some adjustments after getting hit by the run game. I'll do that later.
3Q 2nd & 1
One of the in game tweaks was to slant the DL. Here the 49ers will have DJJones and Warner exchange gaps. The idea is for DJJones screwing up the blocking angles by switching gaps - DJJ will take the B gap, Warner the A gap.


DJJ slants to his right, into the B gap. The LG does a good job of recognizing the slant and stays in position to combo block DJJ. Warner needs to be wary that he now is an A gap player.


Warner should see the Center 4 yards upfield and stuff that A gap with aggressiveness.


Warner is slow to step up and instead waits for the RB to come to him.


+8

Looks like Warner is held by the TE's motion, to be fair we have seen many runs of ours putting Lb's in similar binds.

I'm hoping that's the case rather than a lack of aggression.

I noticed when rewatching the Panthers game that Kwon had a tendency to freelance and go inside the blocker as opposed to outside (which in general is a cardinal sin). I think he and Tartt, though flashy, are the guys who blow the most assignments in those situations.

Originally posted by thl408:
2Q 1st & 10
ARI uses the same play above and flips the formation. Notice the split between the RT and TEs.


LBs both do not respond to the pulling guard. Kwon playing a good 6 yards off the LoS.


By formation, ARI is again able to get a big C gap.


Unlike EMann above, Sherman stays in position, does not get in the mess at the line of scrimmage, and is able to be another layer of defense in case the RB gets through.


+8

An example of what I'm talking about with Kwon; he should have played off the pulling guard's outside shoulder, not his inside. Because he played inside, this made Warner have to travel an additional gap in his scrape-and-flow.