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21 personnel vs 3-4 Over. I think this is a variation of split zone, which is an inside zone blocking run. The yellow line I drew for Juice is what I think he should do. Split zone always has a blocker come across the formation to kickout the force defender.
McG and Richburg are to chip then move to second level. Westburg hits his target to help Person. McG whiffs his chip to help Celek.
Celek does not have leverage on his block and that 5t is into the backfield.
I think Juice is supposed to block the blue force defender, but he sees that Celek has lost on his block so Juice instead leads to the gap inside of Celek's block. Coleman can't fit through that so he looks to go where the run is supposed to go (I think), but the force defender is unblocked.
It looks like Juice could have continued on his path to block that edge force defender, but decides to block the 5t.
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Nov 19, 2019 at 11:14 PM
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Nov 19, 2019 at 11:17 PM
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Originally posted by NinerGM:
thl so are you seeing a constant with Tomlinson's performance over the last few games or are defenses attacking us differently over the past few games - targeting spaces and specific players?
You guys are way better at film breakdown and I super appreciate it but just curious about what you're seeing generally.
I'm just counting the guys in the picture that is on or near the LOS, and that's 8 men in the box.
Either they weren't scared of the passing game or that they basically dared Kyle to pass. You can run against 8 men in the box (see the first play of the Browns game) but it's not a power type of play but more of a misdirection fool 'em type of play that would work, specially with the kind of agile offensive line we have. If Kittle played, in my opinion, he would force the defense (or specifically the Linebackers) to drop back a little because he'll sneak out the backside and if the QB keeps and tosses it to Kittle, they would be in a real bad position from a tackling angle point of view.
I don't know if Dwelly has Kittles RAC ability and his 4.5 speed, but I think they might try Dwelly on those Kittle TE to the other side plays. Specially if Dwelly is developing into a good and productive reciever. I think they just have to go back to the basic plays. I think even if Dwelly isn't as fast as Kittle, at least it would force the defense to account for Dwelly possibly running a pass route and lossen up that run defense.
Nov 19, 2019 at 11:20 PM
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Originally posted by thl408:
#3
21 personnel vs 3-4 Over. I think this is a variation of split zone, which is an inside zone blocking run. The yellow line I drew for Juice is what I think he should do. Split zone always has a blocker come across the formation to kickout the force defender.
McG and Richburg are to chip then move to second level. Westburg hits his target to help Person. McG whiffs his chip to help Celek.
Celek does not have leverage on his block and that 5t is into the backfield.
I think Juice is supposed to block the blue force defender, but he sees that Celek has lost on his block so Juice instead leads to the gap inside of Celek's block. Coleman can't fit through that so he looks to go where the run is supposed to go (I think), but the force defender is unblocked.
It looks like Juice could have continued on his path to block that edge force defender, but decides to block the 5t.
When the play is executed properly I bet it looks like the inside of a Swiss watch
Nov 19, 2019 at 11:23 PM
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Originally posted by Goatie:
When the play is executed properly I bet it looks like the inside of a Swiss watch
McGlinchy looks rusty in his timing there on that play.
Nov 19, 2019 at 11:24 PM
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#4
49ers dial a gap blocking run as they look to out number at the point of attack. 22 personnel. ARI will slant weak. For McG trying to downblock on the slanting 4i, it's a tough block.
4i and 1t slants. Juice will kick out. Tomlinson and Dwelley lead through.
32 sees it and steps up to fill.
Both Tomslinson and Dwelley don't block 32. The slanting 4i gets to the inside of McG and gets penetration.
Not sure how both Tomlinson and Dwelley allow 32 to go unblocked. Usually when leading through a hole, hit the first defender you see in the hole.
49ers dial a gap blocking run as they look to out number at the point of attack. 22 personnel. ARI will slant weak. For McG trying to downblock on the slanting 4i, it's a tough block.
4i and 1t slants. Juice will kick out. Tomlinson and Dwelley lead through.
32 sees it and steps up to fill.
Both Tomslinson and Dwelley don't block 32. The slanting 4i gets to the inside of McG and gets penetration.
Not sure how both Tomlinson and Dwelley allow 32 to go unblocked. Usually when leading through a hole, hit the first defender you see in the hole.
Nov 19, 2019 at 11:41 PM
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Originally posted by thl408:
#4
49ers dial a gap blocking run as they look to out number at the point of attack. 22 personnel. ARI will slant weak. For McG trying to downblock on the slanting 4i, it's a tough block.
4i and 1t slants. Juice will kick out. Tomlinson and Dwelley lead through.
32 sees it and steps up to fill.
Both Tomslinson and Dwelley don't block 32. The slanting 4i gets to the inside of McG and gets penetration.
Not sure how both Tomlinson and Dwelley allow 32 to go unblocked. Usually when leading through a hole, hit the first defender you see in the hole.
#32 is Budda Baker, the free safety, and typically you slant the defense to either affect the run or the pass (Ie screw up the run or pass blocking) Budda is way too near the LOS to be looking to cover somebody, in my opinion. I think he could have been run blitzing or Vance schemed Budda on that play to stop the inside zone run blocking.
If you look at #56 (terell suggs) he's not rushing but looking to cover somebody. That tells me he was looking to clock Jimmy if he did his QB keeper deal. If you remember the screen play that broke the game open, Kyle pulled the entire cardinal defense to the right, and screen played it to the left. In other words, it was a hybrid play pass (in a sense) i.e. pull the defense to the right because AZ was loading up on the run (or overloading the pass protection) and throw to the left and it gashed the AZ defense for a huge gain and made them change their coverages (in my opinion) in the second half.
These two cutups really says to me that they have to get Dwelly more involved in the passing game, otherwise it's going to be tough running against those 8 man fronts.
Nov 19, 2019 at 11:43 PM
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#5
21 personnel. Outside zone right. ARI is in their base personnel but are showing a four man front, different from a typical 3-4 five man front. Juice mentioned something about seeing fronts they never saw on film from ARI. This might be one of them.
Person pushed 2 yards into the backfield. Dwelley can't get any push outwards on the edge force defender. Dwelley loses on the block and the play is blown up.
lol McG. +2
21 personnel. Outside zone right. ARI is in their base personnel but are showing a four man front, different from a typical 3-4 five man front. Juice mentioned something about seeing fronts they never saw on film from ARI. This might be one of them.
Person pushed 2 yards into the backfield. Dwelley can't get any push outwards on the edge force defender. Dwelley loses on the block and the play is blown up.
lol McG. +2
Nov 19, 2019 at 11:47 PM
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Originally posted by thl408:
#5
21 personnel. Outside zone right. ARI is in their base personnel but are showing a four man front, different from a typical 3-4 five man front. Juice mentioned something about seeing fronts they never saw on film from ARI. This might be one of them.
Person pushed 2 yards into the backfield. Dwelley can't get any push outwards on the edge force defender. Dwelley loses on the block and the play is blown up.
lol McG. +2
Heh, that AZ front looks almost like our Wide 9 alignment.
Nov 20, 2019 at 12:01 AM
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#6
I'ts now the 2Q. 49ers now use 11 (3WR) personnel to run the ball, the first time this game. Outside zone left vs ARI's nickel.
Skule won't be able to reach the wide 9 DE but he can still push him outwards to widen interior gaps. Nevermind, Richburg got tossed aside.
Skule/Richburg lose on their blocks. No gain. At this point in the game, the 49ers are down 16-7. In their previous drive they scored a TD using five straight passes. They move away from the run for the rest of the game.
The plays shown illustrate that the run game did not struggle because of any one player. Everyone doesn't have to win their run block, they can stalemate, but they cannot outright lose. Sometimes it was a bad play from the 49er, sometimes it was a good play from the defender. What the 49ers did not do much this game was use presnep jet/orbit motion to help create better angles or generate misdirection. I guess that just wasn't in the gameplan for this week.
I'ts now the 2Q. 49ers now use 11 (3WR) personnel to run the ball, the first time this game. Outside zone left vs ARI's nickel.
Skule won't be able to reach the wide 9 DE but he can still push him outwards to widen interior gaps. Nevermind, Richburg got tossed aside.
Skule/Richburg lose on their blocks. No gain. At this point in the game, the 49ers are down 16-7. In their previous drive they scored a TD using five straight passes. They move away from the run for the rest of the game.
The plays shown illustrate that the run game did not struggle because of any one player. Everyone doesn't have to win their run block, they can stalemate, but they cannot outright lose. Sometimes it was a bad play from the 49er, sometimes it was a good play from the defender. What the 49ers did not do much this game was use presnep jet/orbit motion to help create better angles or generate misdirection. I guess that just wasn't in the gameplan for this week.
Nov 20, 2019 at 12:15 AM
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Originally posted by thl408:
#6
I'ts now the 2Q. 49ers now use 11 (3WR) personnel to run the ball, the first time this game. Outside zone left vs ARI's nickel.
Skule won't be able to reach the wide 9 DE but he can still push him outwards to widen interior gaps. Nevermind, Richburg got tossed aside.
Skule/Richburg lose on their blocks. No gain. At this point in the game, the 49ers are down 16-7. In their previous drive they scored a TD using five straight passes. They move away from the run for the rest of the game.
The plays shown illustrate that the run game did not struggle because of any one player. Everyone doesn't have to win their run block, they can stalemate, but they cannot outright lose. Sometimes it was a bad play from the 49er, sometimes it was a good play from the defender. What the 49ers did not do much this game was use presnep jet/orbit motion to help create better angles or generate misdirection. I guess that just wasn't in the gameplan for this week.
I seem to remember the 49ers hard counting late in the first half or early in the second half. I think. But basically by hard counting, Jimmy was able to pull the DLinemen into a neutral zone encroachment penalty several times. I think this play above illustrates the AZ DLinemen really keying on and trying to anticipate the snap count and really trying to gap-penetrate and screw up that OZ run blocking scheme. In other words, I don't think Richburg was overpowered, but rather that the AZ dlinemen were really doing their best to anticipate and time the snap count to beat the OLinemen to their blocking spot.
Also, if you notice in the endzone view one of the LB's (the left one) steps to the playside right before the snap, almost anticipating the play side direction. I thought that was interesting, as though they may have had some tells's that indicated where the play was going to go.
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Nov 20, 2019 at 12:23 AM
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Originally posted by NinerGM:I didn't get into the SEA film because I was out of town, and since it was a loss I wasn't exactly eager to watch it. I think Kittle out really hurt the run game along with McG not run blocking well. I don't think defenses are doing anything in particular. There's simply a big drop off due to Kittle being out. He's their best player and he's a big part of both the run and passing game.
thl so are you seeing a constant with Tomlinson's performance over the last few games or are defenses attacking us differently over the past few games - targeting spaces and specific players?
You guys are way better at film breakdown and I super appreciate it but just curious about what you're seeing generally.
Nov 20, 2019 at 1:55 AM
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Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by Goatie:
When the play is executed properly I bet it looks like the inside of a Swiss watch
McGlinchy looks rusty in his timing there on that play.
McG wasn't looking very athletic at all. His missed quite a few blocks and fell on his face a few times. Both Greenlaw and Warner were missing some of their assignments as well.
Nov 20, 2019 at 6:42 AM
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Originally posted by thl408:
#6
I'ts now the 2Q. 49ers now use 11 (3WR) personnel to run the ball, the first time this game. Outside zone left vs ARI's nickel.
Skule won't be able to reach the wide 9 DE but he can still push him outwards to widen interior gaps. Nevermind, Richburg got tossed aside.
Skule/Richburg lose on their blocks. No gain. At this point in the game, the 49ers are down 16-7. In their previous drive they scored a TD using five straight passes. They move away from the run for the rest of the game.
The plays shown illustrate that the run game did not struggle because of any one player. Everyone doesn't have to win their run block, they can stalemate, but they cannot outright lose. Sometimes it was a bad play from the 49er, sometimes it was a good play from the defender. What the 49ers did not do much this game was use presnep jet/orbit motion to help create better angles or generate misdirection. I guess that just wasn't in the gameplan for this week.
What do you say THL, is it time to get JG 70 yards rushing in a game with some naked bootlegs? The counter isn't open either but the bootleg has been wide open recently.
Nov 20, 2019 at 6:44 AM
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Originally posted by thl408:
#5
21 personnel. Outside zone right. ARI is in their base personnel but are showing a four man front, different from a typical 3-4 five man front. Juice mentioned something about seeing fronts they never saw on film from ARI. This might be one of them.
Person pushed 2 yards into the backfield. Dwelley can't get any push outwards on the edge force defender. Dwelley loses on the block and the play is blown up.
lol McG. +2
Another great opportunity for a bootleg. Teams are crashing down at full speed.
Nov 20, 2019 at 6:53 AM
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Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by thl408:
#5
21 personnel. Outside zone right. ARI is in their base personnel but are showing a four man front, different from a typical 3-4 five man front. Juice mentioned something about seeing fronts they never saw on film from ARI. This might be one of them.
Person pushed 2 yards into the backfield. Dwelley can't get any push outwards on the edge force defender. Dwelley loses on the block and the play is blown up.
lol McG. +2
Another great opportunity for a bootleg. Teams are crashing down at full speed.
We usually run that Boot action slide multiple times a game. I just don't know how eager they are to be running Jimmy on Naked bootlegs. With the boot action slide, at least that slide from the TE/FB can act as a lead blocker if the route isn't open.
[ Edited by Niners816 on Nov 20, 2019 at 6:55 AM ]