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Coaches Film Analysis: 2019 Season
Dec 26, 2019 at 8:11 PM
- Andra
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Thank you sir!
Dec 26, 2019 at 8:14 PM
- qnnhan7
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Jimmy had something like 6 sacks. Wonder if mostly on the Oline or a combo both Oline and good coverage by the Rams...
Dec 26, 2019 at 9:21 PM
- Sanfran_chrisco
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Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Jimmy had something like 6 sacks. Wonder if mostly on the Oline or a combo both Oline and good coverage by the Rams...
receivers had trouble getting open
Dec 27, 2019 at 7:02 AM
- jonnydel
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Originally posted by qnnhan7:Jimmy had something like 6 sacks. Wonder if mostly on the Oline or a combo both Oline and good coverage by the Rams...
Yeah, both.
Sometimes it was just good play by the Rams. They are still a good team, they wont have a losing record and if not for us beating them twice would probably be an 11 win team.
They brought 5 in the regular and matched up well in the secondary. Sometimes their guys just balled out. Donald won a couple times and was disruptive.
Dec 27, 2019 at 7:36 AM
- BigBossBosa97
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Thanks for the breakdown, jonnydel. I was real curious about the last 3rd and 16 play. Jalen threw the rookie under the bus after the game but Rex Ryan stated that Jalen Ramsey needed to step up and take the blame on that one.
I was also curious about Jimmy's first int. Was he baited into that throw or was it a straight up misread of the coverage?
The second int, IMO, was out of frustration and trying to force a throw into tight coverage.
I was also curious about Jimmy's first int. Was he baited into that throw or was it a straight up misread of the coverage?
The second int, IMO, was out of frustration and trying to force a throw into tight coverage.
Dec 27, 2019 at 8:46 AM
- CatchMaster80
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Originally posted by BigBossBosa97:
Thanks for the breakdown, jonnydel. I was real curious about the last 3rd and 16 play. Jalen threw the rookie under the bus after the game but Rex Ryan stated that Jalen Ramsey needed to step up and take the blame on that one.
I was also curious about Jimmy's first int. Was he baited into that throw or was it a straight up misread of the coverage?
The second int, IMO, was out of frustration and trying to force a throw into tight coverage.
Neither was a good throw but whether he was baited or not on that first one, he has to be aware of the type of player that Ramsey is so he doesn't make that throw. I'm guessing with another year or 2 under his belt he won't make that mistake.
Dec 27, 2019 at 8:47 AM
- Kyzen
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Thanks JD, you're the man!!
Dec 27, 2019 at 9:06 AM
- jonnydel
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Originally posted by BigBossBosa97:
Thanks for the breakdown, jonnydel. I was real curious about the last 3rd and 16 play. Jalen threw the rookie under the bus after the game but Rex Ryan stated that Jalen Ramsey needed to step up and take the blame on that one.
I was also curious about Jimmy's first int. Was he baited into that throw or was it a straight up misread of the coverage?
The second int, IMO, was out of frustration and trying to force a throw into tight coverage.
I had the INT ready to edit up but was just running out of time.
Great play by Ramsey, IMO. they were in C3 zone and we ran a flood concept. Kittle was in the flat and Ramsey looked like he was attacking the flat route and then bailed and jumped the mid out route. Not many players can beat Jimmy's release and velocity to the catch point - Ramsey did.
Dec 27, 2019 at 9:51 AM
- BigBossBosa97
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Originally posted by jonnydel:Originally posted by BigBossBosa97:Thanks for the breakdown, jonnydel. I was real curious about the last 3rd and 16 play. Jalen threw the rookie under the bus after the game but Rex Ryan stated that Jalen Ramsey needed to step up and take the blame on that one.
I was also curious about Jimmy's first int. Was he baited into that throw or was it a straight up misread of the coverage?
The second int, IMO, was out of frustration and trying to force a throw into tight coverage.
I had the INT ready to edit up but was just running out of time.
Great play by Ramsey, IMO. they were in C3 zone and we ran a flood concept. Kittle was in the flat and Ramsey looked like he was attacking the flat route and then bailed and jumped the mid out route. Not many players can beat Jimmy's release and velocity to the catch point - Ramsey did.
Thank you for the breakdown on the play. No doubt it was a great play by Ramsey. That play reminded me of Jimmy throwing a similar int near the goal line. I believe it was against the cards. Both plays seemed as though he didn't see the defender breaking on the ball. While Jimmy is good at freezing defenders with his eyes, maybe sometimes he is a bit over confident with his release. One thing I have noticed that Jimmy does not use is a quick pump fake to keep defenders from making a break on the ball. I see Brady, Brees and Rodgers use the pump fake. Perhaps he will add that to his game in the future.
Dec 27, 2019 at 10:52 AM
- thl408
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Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by BigBossBosa97:
Thanks for the breakdown, jonnydel. I was real curious about the last 3rd and 16 play. Jalen threw the rookie under the bus after the game but Rex Ryan stated that Jalen Ramsey needed to step up and take the blame on that one.
I was also curious about Jimmy's first int. Was he baited into that throw or was it a straight up misread of the coverage?
The second int, IMO, was out of frustration and trying to force a throw into tight coverage.
I had the INT ready to edit up but was just running out of time.
Great play by Ramsey, IMO. they were in C3 zone and we ran a flood concept. Kittle was in the flat and Ramsey looked like he was attacking the flat route and then bailed and jumped the mid out route. Not many players can beat Jimmy's release and velocity to the catch point - Ramsey did.
I think the Rams had Jimmy confused on the play. My guess is Jimmy thought it was typical Cover 3, but what the Rams did was drop 8 into coverage so there was an extra underneath defender - Ramsey. The flood concept the 49ers dialed up was to vertically stretch the strongside curl/flat defender, but Ramsey was the extra defender in the area. Here's that play.
Ramsey is the guy following Kittle across the formation to give a presnap man coverage look, but it's actually zone coverage. So many plays the Rams were audibling presnap to make quick adjustments. In the end, it bit them in the ass when they didn't get it right on that final 3rd & 16. You can see here the Rams talking to one another presnap as Kittle motions across. This happened often.
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I thought Wade Philips did a good job throwing a bunch of looks at the Jimmy. There were some trap coverages in the gameplan that I saw, looking to bait Jimmy into thinking something was there that wasn't. Here's an example.
The Rams are showing man coverage presnap with the CBs aligned to one side of the field to match up against the twin WRs. Juice has a safety aligned over him so that's also hinting man coverage.
The 49ers have a fade/out concept to Jimmy's right (jonnydel calls it "Ohio"). This works well against man coverage as red route clears the sideline area for yellow's out route.
What's really happening is the Rams want to bait Jimmy into throwing the Out to the slot WR, and have the outside corner (Ramsey) come off the #1 and jump the flat. Which is what happens. The best case scenario is the outside CB gets an INT. Luckily, for the 49ers, it's just a minimal +3 gain.
I highlighted the slot CB signaling to the red safety that red safety now has the #1 (red Deebo) so that Ramsey can jump the flat.
This game was very interesting to see what Wade Philips, in all his wisdom, did to gameplan against Jimmy and Kyle. With the holidays and all that I just don't have the time to post the cutups that this game deserves. In the end, this is very valuable experience for Jimmy. To see some of these unconventional coverages and go through how DCs will attempt to trick him is going to give him reps against some of the 'exotic' coverages, and it will pay off down the road.
Dec 27, 2019 at 11:02 AM
- CatchMaster80
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Originally posted by BigBossBosa97:
Thank you for the breakdown on the play. No doubt it was a great play by Ramsey. That play reminded me of Jimmy throwing a similar int near the goal line. I believe it was against the cards. Both plays seemed as though he didn't see the defender breaking on the ball. While Jimmy is good at freezing defenders with his eyes, maybe sometimes he is a bit over confident with his release. One thing I have noticed that Jimmy does not use is a quick pump fake to keep defenders from making a break on the ball. I see Brady, Brees and Rodgers use the pump fake. Perhaps he will add that to his game in the future.
At this point in his career Jimmy sees the field but he doesn't anticipate well. That's the next phase in his development. He has to anticipate where the rush is coming from so he can avoid the sacks. He has to anticipate when the defender is breaking on the ball. He has to anticipate where his receiver will be on a broken play so he can throw to the open spot instead of waiting for the receiver to get there. These things come with more experience just like the pump fakes you mentioned.
Dec 27, 2019 at 11:06 AM
- thl408
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Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by BigBossBosa97:
Thank you for the breakdown on the play. No doubt it was a great play by Ramsey. That play reminded me of Jimmy throwing a similar int near the goal line. I believe it was against the cards. Both plays seemed as though he didn't see the defender breaking on the ball. While Jimmy is good at freezing defenders with his eyes, maybe sometimes he is a bit over confident with his release. One thing I have noticed that Jimmy does not use is a quick pump fake to keep defenders from making a break on the ball. I see Brady, Brees and Rodgers use the pump fake. Perhaps he will add that to his game in the future.
At this point in his career Jimmy sees the field but he doesn't anticipate well. That's the next phase in his development. He has to anticipate where the rush is coming from so he can avoid the sacks. He has to anticipate when the defender is breaking on the ball. He has to anticipate where his receiver will be on a broken play so he can throw to the open spot instead of waiting for the receiver to get there. These things come with more experience just like the pump fakes you mentioned.
I don't think the Ramsey INT was a case of Jimmy not anticipating. I think he simply read that coverage incorrectly and did not see Ramsey.
Dec 27, 2019 at 11:14 AM
- CatchMaster80
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Originally posted by thl408:
I don't think the Ramsey INT was a case of Jimmy not anticipating. I think he simply read that coverage incorrectly and did not see Ramsey.
Same thing. He didn't know or realize that Ramsey was going to do that. He may have read the coverage right against an average back but not a premier back like Ramsey.
Dec 27, 2019 at 11:19 AM
- Sanfran_chrisco
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Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by BigBossBosa97:
Thank you for the breakdown on the play. No doubt it was a great play by Ramsey. That play reminded me of Jimmy throwing a similar int near the goal line. I believe it was against the cards. Both plays seemed as though he didn't see the defender breaking on the ball. While Jimmy is good at freezing defenders with his eyes, maybe sometimes he is a bit over confident with his release. One thing I have noticed that Jimmy does not use is a quick pump fake to keep defenders from making a break on the ball. I see Brady, Brees and Rodgers use the pump fake. Perhaps he will add that to his game in the future.
At this point in his career Jimmy sees the field but he doesn't anticipate well. That's the next phase in his development. He has to anticipate where the rush is coming from so he can avoid the sacks. He has to anticipate when the defender is breaking on the ball. He has to anticipate where his receiver will be on a broken play so he can throw to the open spot instead of waiting for the receiver to get there. These things come with more experience just like the pump fakes you mentioned.
ummm.. he's already done that??
3:38
it's almost like you didn't see this entire game.
Dec 27, 2019 at 11:23 AM
- thl408
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Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by thl408:
I don't think the Ramsey INT was a case of Jimmy not anticipating. I think he simply read that coverage incorrectly and did not see Ramsey.
Same thing. He didn't know or realize that Ramsey was going to do that. He may have read the coverage right against an average back but not a premier back like Ramsey.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you are implying Jimmy saw Ramsey and underestimated Ramsey's ability to get to that pass. I am saying he didn't see Ramsey at all. I think that had Jimmy saw a defender there (Ramsey) he never makes this throw.