Under Center vs. Shotgun/Pistol Formation

Interesting point Grant Cohen brought up.

Garoppolo seems to be excelling very much this year in the shotgun formation

However,

His interceptable pass rate is about the 6th highest in the league when playing under Center...so far.

The thinking is that if they do more shotgun or pistol the running game will suffer but when we look at what happened turn the Steelers game he was hit and pressured a lot which caused some turnovers and Bobble passes by the receivers

So the question is should the team continue playing more under Center as it has regardless of the hits and pressure Garoppolo has been getting especially by teams that run a 3-4 that are typically Blitz heavy?

Or...

Should the team develop more play action and running options from the shotgun keeping Garoppolo safe from another injury?

And keep in mind Garoppolo has a noted injury history and it'd be in the team's best interest to keep him safe as much as possible because even in his place Nick Mullens was completely obliterated garoppolo's place last year while playing under Center




Discuss...

Here is the link to the article by the way and in the comments section is where I focused on for the topic of this thread...


https://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/bye-week-gives-49ers-chance-to-study-whats-working-whats-not/#comment-1226795

I think it should be opponent and situational football specific. But more than that, it is a lot easier to sell a play fake when the QB has his back turned to the defense and we all know how important play action is to the success of this offense.

OP you lost me with your first four words.

Originally posted by English:

OP you lost me with your first four words.

This.

Stopped reading after that.

Originally posted by SlowDownBoy:

Interesting point Grant Cohen brought up.

Originally posted by English:

OP you lost me with your first four words.

LOL

I understand Grant Cohen is a skeptic but he still makes a good point and I thought it'd be a good discussion to have

Regardless of whom brought the topic up.

Originally posted by SlowDownBoy:

LOL

I understand Grant Cohen is a skeptic but he still makes a good point and I thought it'd be a good discussion to have

Regardless of whom brought the topic up.

This has nothing to do with being a skeptic but just basic credibility.


Relying on Cohn for football knowledge is like learning business ethics from Bernie Madoff or having Kyrie Irving as your astronomy tutor.

I think if a team is heavily run blitzing like PIT and getting to the QB very quickly, gotta go shotgun as there will be a lot of one-on-one matchups for presnap reads and quick throws.

It is understandable JG is better in the shotgun since that is NE primary offensive formation. Shotgun and reading presnap mismatches is how JG originally learned.
6.2.5

Continue to mix it up and use whatever they feels works the best.

Originally posted by Joecool:

I think if a team is heavily run blitzing like PIT and getting to the QB very quickly, gotta go shotgun as there will be a lot of one-on-one matchups for presnap reads and quick throws.

It is understandable JG is better in the shotgun since that is NE primary offensive formation. Shotgun and reading presnap mismatches is how JG originally learned.
6.2.5

Shanahan has been pretty clear on why he prefers to have the QB under center. You can go shotgun but that will also make your offense a whole lot more predictable and now you're leaning more on individual player execution than scheme. It forces you to move away from what your offense does best. This offense is heavily dependent on misdirection and playaction. Going shotgun eliminates a lot of that and a blitzing defense is still going to get to the quarterback but now they have a lot less to worry about in terms of misdirection. It gives them more time to react since more of the action is further back of the line of scrimmage. It also makes life tougher on the RBs since they aren't getting a running start with the football, making it tougher for them to go downhill quickly.



This is a scheme setup to be run under center, this isn't the Air Coryell or the New England E/P based spread offense. Its a continuation of Bill Walsh's WCO where it was rare for the QB to not be under center and largely for the same reasons. Having the QB under center provides the greatest amount of options for your offense.


There is this shaky belief that the defense can't get to the QB in the shotgun. How many times did Mason Rudolph get hit on Sunday? Arizona has Kyler Murray playing mostly out of the shotgun and he's gotten his ass kicked while their run game has been non-existent. How many times did Chip Kelly's QBs get smashed playing in the shotgun? Its a false sense of security.

This is why we don't listen to grant....I just looked it up this morning.

Jimmy undercenter 76% 104 QB rate
Jimmy gun 57% 82 QB rate

As a team we've been undercenter 64% of the time and in the gun 36%

Explosive offenses have a mix of both. After all they are basically just formations. Nowadays you can synch up any concept with either undercenter or gun. Kyle loves his UC because his playpass game is more effective because for us undercenter shows a heavier run lean.

Originally posted by SlowDownBoy:

Interesting point Grant Cohen brought up.

Garoppolo seems to be excelling very much this year in the shotgun formation

However,

His interceptable pass rate is about the 6th highest in the league when playing under Center...so far.

The thinking is that if they do more shotgun or pistol the running game will suffer but when we look at what happened turn the Steelers game he was hit and pressured a lot which caused some turnovers and Bobble passes by the receivers

So the question is should the team continue playing more under Center as it has regardless of the hits and pressure Garoppolo has been getting especially by teams that run a 3-4 that are typically Blitz heavy?

Or...

Should the team develop more play action and running options from the shotgun keeping Garoppolo safe from another injury?

And keep in mind Garoppolo has a noted injury history and it'd be in the team's best interest to keep him safe as much as possible because even in his place Nick Mullens was completely obliterated garoppolo's place last year while playing under Center




Discuss...

Bill Walsh didn't use the Shotgun in the WCO.

I don't care for it.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by SlowDownBoy:

Interesting point Grant Cohen brought up.

Garoppolo seems to be excelling very much this year in the shotgun formation

However,

His interceptable pass rate is about the 6th highest in the league when playing under Center...so far.

The thinking is that if they do more shotgun or pistol the running game will suffer but when we look at what happened turn the Steelers game he was hit and pressured a lot which caused some turnovers and Bobble passes by the receivers

So the question is should the team continue playing more under Center as it has regardless of the hits and pressure Garoppolo has been getting especially by teams that run a 3-4 that are typically Blitz heavy?

Or...

Should the team develop more play action and running options from the shotgun keeping Garoppolo safe from another injury?

And keep in mind Garoppolo has a noted injury history and it'd be in the team's best interest to keep him safe as much as possible because even in his place Nick Mullens was completely obliterated garoppolo's place last year while playing under Center




Discuss...

Bill Walsh didn't use the Shotgun in the WCO.

I don't care for it.

I think shotgun is fine in situations where the defense knows you are not going to run the ball. Otherwise, it will handcuff the offense and sort of make it one dimensional.

Kyle is run first and probably always will be. When he gets the run going all those passes are far more effective. When the team is behind late and they're forced to pass then the shotgun is okay. Some QB's actually feel they can look the defense over better from under center, especially the last minute shifts because they don't have to look for the ball.