Under Center vs. Shotgun/Pistol Formation

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
Absolutely a stud, I remember those games and in particular the Seahawk playoff game. Few offenses if any looked as good as that Redskins offense against Seattle that year. Pretty wild when you think about it. It would be worth a rewatch sometime soon...

That's the true genius of Kyle that McVay has yet to even sniff at. Now with that precedent set, in theory McVay could do something similar if he had to in the future but nobody in the NFL ever did anything quite like that. It's still fascinating af to me several years later that we have seen such a hybrid offense with mobile QBs. Imagine having Young incorporate a bit of those concepts in the 1990s against the Cowboys??

Belichick incorporates more variety of offenses on a year to year, game to game basis (i.e. pass heavy one week spread formations, then run heavy, 21 and 22 personnel the next). But I still don't think the Xs and Os are as nuanced as what Kyle comes up with.

Steve Young operating in the gun using either an RPO or even a read option element would have been outrageous. I know that Walsh had a shotgun formation in his playbook and i do actually have the gif of the one time i seen montana in the gun (posted in this thread)....But i do recall like most hearing that Montana and Young didn't like it. I do not recall ever seeing Steve run a Gun with us.

Being honest, I really do wish that Marc Trestman would have installed a least a small sliver of the gun in the offense to help alleviate OL issues we were having in '95-'96. I always wonder if we could have take some hits away that Steve suffered by simply running the gun in pass heavy situations.

For me, i absolutely revere the walsh offense and the latter Holmgren and papa Shanny versions of it. However in the grand scheme of things, I've never had a problem with the Shotgun formation. I think Kyle uses it brilliantly and mixes it up nicely with the undercenter stuff.

Originally posted by SlowDownBoy:
LOL

I understand Grant Cohen is a skeptic but he still makes a good point and I thought it'd be a good discussion to have

Regardless of whom brought the topic up.

in the future please steal the idea and represent it as your own. No one here will know he difference since no on reads either Cohn.

I told my son about this from the onset of the season. He just doesn't look comfortable from under center.

Originally posted by Niners816:

Jimmy G under center in SF (11 games)

88 completions
135 attempts
65.2%
1222 yards
9.1 ypa
7 TDs
4 Ints
99.1 QB rate

Jimmy G in the Gun in SF (11 games)

143 completions
216 attempts
66.2%
1795 yards
8.3 ypa
10 TDs
8 Ints
91.9 QB rate

This is a great break down thank you

But I think you can also include if you can the stats for the team rushing the ball when Garoppolo is under Center compared to being in the shotgun

Because if anything I can tell at this point by now is that being under Center does balance your offense more as opposed to in the shotgun more of your offense is Reliant upon the skill of the quarterback

Originally posted by SlowDownBoy:

Originally posted by Niners816:
Jimmy G under center in SF (11 games)

88 completions
135 attempts
65.2%
1222 yards
9.1 ypa
7 TDs
4 Ints
99.1 QB rate

Jimmy G in the Gun in SF (11 games)

143 completions
216 attempts
66.2%
1795 yards
8.3 ypa
10 TDs
8 Ints
91.9 QB rate

This is a great break down thank you

But I think you can also include if you can the stats for the team rushing the ball when Garoppolo is under Center compared to being in the shotgun

Because if anything I can tell at this point by now is that being under Center does balance your offense more as opposed to in the shotgun more of your offense is Reliant upon the skill of the quarterback

I haven't seen a place that shows rushing stats breakdowns based on UC or Gun. However here's a little UC/Gun breakdown I will do with the info I do have. According to Sharpfootballstats.com, we have been undercenter 64% of the time this year and 36% in the Gun. As a team thru 3 games, Pro-football-reference.com has us running 201 plays (85 pass attempts, 2 times sacked, 114 rush attempts). Pro-football-reference.com also tells me Jimmy has had 33 pass attempts UC, 2 sacks UC, 51 Pass attempts in the Gun, 0 sacks in the gun.....Also, Pettis pass was from a gun formation.

Based on those percentage, the plays and the UC/Gun pass splits here is the breakdown thus far:

Plays Undercenter: 33 pass Attempts, 2 times Sacked, 93 rush attempts.....128 plays
Plays in the Gun: 52 pass Attempts, 0 times Sacked, 21 rush attempts...73 plays

So undercenter we have thrown the ball 27% and ran it 73%.
In the Gun we have thrown the ball 71% and ran it 29%

In total 60% of our passing plays are in the gun and 40% are undercenter
In total 14% of our runs plays are in the gun and 86% are undercenter

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by SlowDownBoy:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Jimmy G under center in SF (11 games)

88 completions
135 attempts
65.2%
1222 yards
9.1 ypa
7 TDs
4 Ints
99.1 QB rate

Jimmy G in the Gun in SF (11 games)

143 completions
216 attempts
66.2%
1795 yards
8.3 ypa
10 TDs
8 Ints
91.9 QB rate

This is a great break down thank you

But I think you can also include if you can the stats for the team rushing the ball when Garoppolo is under Center compared to being in the shotgun

Because if anything I can tell at this point by now is that being under Center does balance your offense more as opposed to in the shotgun more of your offense is Reliant upon the skill of the quarterback

I haven't seen a place that shows rushing stats breakdowns based on UC or Gun. However here's a little UC/Gun breakdown I will do with the info I do have. According to Sharpfootballstats.com, we have been undercenter 64% of the time this year and 36% in the Gun. As a team thru 3 games, Pro-football-reference.com has us running 201 plays (85 pass attempts, 2 times sacked, 114 rush attempts). Pro-football-reference.com also tells me Jimmy has had 33 pass attempts UC, 2 sacks UC, 51 Pass attempts in the Gun, 0 sacks in the gun.....Also, Pettis pass was from a gun formation.

Based on those percentage, the plays and the UC/Gun pass splits here is the breakdown thus far:

Plays Undercenter: 33 pass Attempts, 2 times Sacked, 93 rush attempts.....128 plays
Plays in the Gun: 52 pass Attempts, 0 times Sacked, 21 rush attempts...73 plays

So undercenter we have thrown the ball 27% and ran it 73%.
In the Gun we have thrown the ball 71% and ran it 29%

In total 60% of our passing plays are in the gun and 40% are undercenter
In total 14% of our runs plays are in the gun and 86% are undercenter

Appreciate that sir great breakdown again