Assigning credit for the dominating Defense | Page 4

Oct 14, 2019 at 5:16 PM

thl408
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Originally posted by TheWooLick:
When the team lacked talent, it was Saleh's fault.

Now, he gets no credit

EL OH EL AT THE HATERS

WooLick, did you vote for Saleh as the primary reason for the defense's improvement?

Oct 14, 2019 at 5:18 PM

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Originally posted by Kyzen:
who couldnt win with all this talent?

This front 7 reminds of the NY Giants that beat the undefeated Patriots in the Super Bowl, but even more talented. With the production we are getting from them, there is no reason to think we can't do the same (win the Super Bowl)

Oct 14, 2019 at 5:19 PM

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Originally posted by thl408:
evil, did you vote Saleh as being the main factor in the defense's improvement?

I didn't vote because you left me no option to vote.

Oct 14, 2019 at 5:25 PM

#49

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Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by thl408:
evil, did you vote Saleh as being the main factor in the defense's improvement?

I didn't vote because you left me no option to vote.

What do you mean? You don't see the poll?

Oct 14, 2019 at 5:29 PM

#50

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Originally posted by Kyzen:
who couldnt win with all this talent?

2011 Eagles had a ton of defensive talent and went 8-8. Also had a ton of offensive talent.

Rams are giving up 25+ ppg this year with a load of talent on that D and a veteran DC who many wanted here.

Oct 14, 2019 at 5:30 PM

#51

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Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by thl408:
evil, did you vote Saleh as being the main factor in the defense's improvement?

I didn't vote because you left me no option to vote.

What do you mean? You don't see the poll?

There is no all of the above option. You tryna make me pick a favorite child here, Daddy don't play that

Oct 14, 2019 at 5:31 PM

#52

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Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
When the team lacked talent, it was Saleh's fault.

Now, he gets no credit

EL OH EL AT THE HATERS

WooLick, did you vote for Saleh as the primary reason for the defense's improvement?

Saleh is the same unprofessional lunk head as last year.

It's. just. Bosa.

Oct 14, 2019 at 5:35 PM

#53

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Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by thl408:
evil, did you vote Saleh as being the main factor in the defense's improvement?

I didn't vote because you left me no option to vote.

What do you mean? You don't see the poll?

There is no all of the above option. You tryna make me pick a favorite child here, Daddy don't play that

Ohhh so you think they all play an equal role? None more than the other? Because the question is which element is playing the largest role in the improvement. There's no wrong answer. Just wanted to see what the board thought.

Oct 14, 2019 at 5:37 PM

#54

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Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
When the team lacked talent, it was Saleh's fault.

Now, he gets no credit

EL OH EL AT THE HATERS

WooLick, did you vote for Saleh as the primary reason for the defense's improvement?

Saleh is the same unprofessional lunk head as last year.

It's. just. Bosa.

A lot more changed on this team from last year than that. We signed Dee Ford in FA. Ward got healthy. Richard Sherman got healthy and back to himself. Kwon Alexander was signed. Arik Armstead and Solomon Thomas are more experienced and playing better in their roles. There is a lot more going on than Bosa. But yes he has helped this team.

Oct 14, 2019 at 5:38 PM

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talent has been upgraded, other players have gotten healthy, and most have another year working together. With all that in mind, it still takes a coach to game plan and make adjustments in real time. Didn't we switch up the defensive alignments prior to the start of training camp this year? Players, without a coaches direction, can't win games, and coaches, without the necessary talent, can't devise winning strategies either. Acquiring talent is an administrative decision. Evaluating talent is also an administrative job. Although the players are the ones that must 'bring it home' it is the coaches that 'lead' the defense. Saleh gets my vote.

Oct 14, 2019 at 5:38 PM

#56

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here is the answer:

I'll go through a laundry list here.

DEFENSE: The 2018 49ers ranked No. 11 in the NFL in yards per play allowed (5.4). They ranked top 10 most the season. This was one of the numbers that indicated that the defensive structure was solid, but just didn't have the gunpowder yet.
— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) October 14, 2019

And the lack of gunpowder was easy to identify: Across the board, 49ers posted a decent overall pressure rate but didn't have a QB hit and sack rate to match it. This clearly showed that edge rushers were necessary, and it's now obviously Shanahan/Lynch waited for 2019 to pounce
— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) October 14, 2019

Oct 14, 2019 at 5:42 PM

#57

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Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by thl408:
evil, did you vote Saleh as being the main factor in the defense's improvement?

I didn't vote because you left me no option to vote.

What do you mean? You don't see the poll?

There is no all of the above option. You tryna make me pick a favorite child here, Daddy don't play that

Ohhh so you think they all play an equal role? None more than the other? Because the question is which element is playing the largest role in the improvement. There's no wrong answer. Just wanted to see what the board thought.

I know. Talent acquisition team (Kyle/John/AP/Mayhew/Scouts) would play the largest role in that case. Without them we don't have the talent we do.

But I truly believe everyone is playing a big role in the defense.

Oct 14, 2019 at 5:59 PM

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Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
A lot more changed on this team from last year than that. We signed Dee Ford in FA. Ward got healthy. Richard Sherman got healthy and back to himself. Kwon Alexander was signed. Arik Armstead and Solomon Thomas are more experienced and playing better in their roles. There is a lot more going on than Bosa. But yes he has helped this team.

I agree with you. But the whole story is Bosa.

Love Kwon and Dee. They are difference makers.

But Bosa is the game changer. He cuts the field in half.

OC's spend their week game planning how to keep ONE GUY from wiping out the left side of the pocket.

That's the only reason Armstead and Thomas looking like heroes.

Dee is amazing too. If he had two good wheels we would be in historic territory.

As it is, Him, buck and Bosa take a load off everyone else by leaving them with punk matchups

[ Edited by brodiebluebanaszak on Oct 14, 2019 at 6:02 PM ]

Oct 14, 2019 at 6:05 PM

#59

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I'm gonna take all the credit myself....I really, really WANTED this

Oct 14, 2019 at 6:09 PM

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Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
When the team lacked talent, it was Saleh's fault.

Now, he gets no credit

EL OH EL AT THE HATERS

WooLick, did you vote for Saleh as the primary reason for the defense's improvement?

No, I think he's a good coach you made lots of improvement to the team over the past two years but finally got the players he needed this year.

Fangio's a very good defensive coordinator but he has a whole bunch of years with poorly ranked statistical teams because he didn't have good players just like sleigh didn't have players he needed the past couple years.