Race for the nfc west and the #1 seed

Originally posted by smithgdwg:
Basically we need to make sure we beat them in Seattle. If we don't then they deserve the division.

Unless one of the teams has a 2-game lead going into that game. Which means the division cannot be decided until at least the W16 games have been played.

This is why it pisses me off that for THE LAST 20 YEARS, THE PATS HAVE BEEN GIVEN A FREE RIDE TO THE PLAYOFFS , WITH THAT TRASH ASS DIVISION..



Niners have to play ex AFC/NFC champs and contenders.



even ESPN homers said at the beginning of the year that the noners have the hardest schedule in the league.

Originally posted by captveg:
Not worried even if they are the 6th seed. This team can win against any team in any venue on any given day.

Besides, everything after win #9 has been on house money - I expected to improve to 8-8 with anything more being bonus time. We're well into bonus time right now.

Besides, none of the playoff teams are immortals. They can all be beat, and this team is good enough to do it.

Worst case scenario this should be an even better team in 2020. The league should be crapping their pants about that.

Yup. I think about this squad fully healthy, assuming we resign our FAs and make some key cuts/restructurings.

Originally posted by captveg:

If we end up tied after Week 17 it would depend on who won Game 17.

If Seahawks win in W17 and the teams are tied afterwards SEA wins tiebreaker because they beat SF twice.

If 49ers win in W17 and the teams are tied afterwards SF wins tiebreaker because they will have 1 less conference loss. Right now 49ers have 1 conference loss (SEA), and SF winning in W17 would give SEA 2 (NO, SF).

Both teams play NFC teams the rest of the way, so it's impossible to go into that game with both teams having the same record after the game and a SF W17 win not giving SF the tiebreaker edge in conference win % over SEA.

If we lose to the saints then we would have 2 conferences losses with NO and SEA. Assuming the Seahawks win out we would go into week seventeen 12-3 and they would go in 13-2.

If we beat them then we would each have 2 conference losses at 13-3. Us SEA, NO them SF, NO.

So who wins then?

Originally posted by TonyStarks:

This is why it pisses me off that for THE LAST 20 YEARS, THE PATS HAVE BEEN GIVEN A FREE RIDE TO THE PLAYOFFS , WITH THAT TRASH ASS DIVISION..



Niners have to play ex AFC/NFC champs and contenders.



even ESPN homers said at the beginning of the year that the noners have the hardest schedule in the league.

lmao, this is exactly what the entire league, fans and comentators said about us when we were dominating for 16 straight years.

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
If we lose to the saints then we would have 2 conferences losses with NO and SEA. Assuming the Seahawks win out we would go into week seventeen 12-3 and they would go in 13-2.

If we beat them then we would each have 2 conference losses at 13-3. Us SEA, NO them SF, NO.

So who wins then?

Here's the tiebreakers:

- Head-to-head, if applicable.

- Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.

- Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.

- Strength of victory.

- Strength of schedule.

- Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.

In your scenario it would come down to strength of victory, as the teams would have the same losses against the same 3 teams (SEA/SF, NO, BAL). "If two teams end with identical records, combine the records of the opponents in each of the team's wins and calculate the total winning percentage. The team whose opponents have the higher winning percentage wins the tiebreaker."

The uncommon opponents are GB & WAS (for SF) and MIN & PHI (for SEA). Right now that's 12-12 for SF and 13-11 for SEA (because this scenario assumes a MIN loss against SEA). So that's SEA tiebreaker for the moment.

After tomorrow night we want the Vikings and Eagles to keep losing and the Packers and Redskins to keep winning. And we definitely want GB to beat MIN in their rematch.

Originally posted by captveg:

Here's the tiebreakers:

- Head-to-head, if applicable.

- Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.

- Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.

- Strength of victory.

- Strength of schedule.

- Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.

In your scenario it would come down to strength of victory, as the teams would have the same losses against the same 3 teams (SEA/SF, NO, BAL). "If two teams end with identical records, combine the records of the opponents in each of the team's wins and calculate the total winning percentage. The team whose opponents have the higher winning percentage wins the tiebreaker."

The uncommon opponents are GB & WAS (for SF) and MIN & PHI (for SEA). Right now that's 12-12 for SF and 13-11 for SEA (because this scenario assumes a MIN loss against SEA). So that's SEA tiebreaker for the moment.

After tomorrow night we want the Vikings and Eagles to keep losing and the Packers and Redskins to keep winning. And we definitely want GB to beat MIN in their rematch.

So the reality is if we lose to the saints even if we beat Seattle we lose control of our destiny.

Essentially we can't lose another game and still control our destiny if Seattle wins out.

Originally posted by wysiwyg:

No, we will win out.

I believe we can

Originally posted by SnakePlissken:

Will seattle deliver doe? -LMAO what if they're only playing hard cause they know we up, and when they get the opportunity to get more up they blow it worse than us? LMAO I'll laugh my drunk ass off if the Vikings win. Teams need pressure, I don't think Seattle grabs the brass ring, even Carroll was shocked he beat us when he did.

We will win out

Originally posted by smithgdwg:

Why are we the only ones that have trouble against the Cardinals?

Mobile QBs

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
So the reality is if we lose to the saints even if we beat Seattle we lose control of our destiny.

Essentially we can't lose another game and still control our destiny if Seattle wins out.

I believe so.

SEA still has to beat MIN/LAR/CAR/ARZ . Any of those losses would not only put them a game back of SF again, but a loss to CAR or ARZ with SF beating NO would give SF the common games tiebreaker.

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

So the reality is if we lose to the saints even if we beat Seattle we lose control of our destiny.

Essentially we can't lose another game and still control our destiny if Seattle wins out.

Thats a big IF

Originally posted by Kyzen:

Originally posted by TonyStarks:
This is why it pisses me off that for THE LAST 20 YEARS, THE PATS HAVE BEEN GIVEN A FREE RIDE TO THE PLAYOFFS , WITH THAT TRASH ASS DIVISION..

Niners have to play ex AFC/NFC champs and contenders.

even ESPN homers said at the beginning of the year that the noners have the hardest schedule in the league.

lmao, this is exactly what the entire league, fans and comentators said about us when we were dominating for 16 straight years.

Very true. Looking back on it, the NFC West wasnt as weak as perceived. There was always one other team. The Dickerson led Rams who made an NFCCG, the Saints, who although they didn't win any playoff games, had some great records, the Rams with Everett had a short run, the Falcons had playoff appearances here and there, etc.

Originally posted by Kyzen:

Originally posted by TonyStarks:
This is why it pisses me off that for THE LAST 20 YEARS, THE PATS HAVE BEEN GIVEN A FREE RIDE TO THE PLAYOFFS , WITH THAT TRASH ASS DIVISION..

Niners have to play ex AFC/NFC champs and contenders.

even ESPN homers said at the beginning of the year that the noners have the hardest schedule in the league.

lmao, this is exactly what the entire league, fans and comentators said about us when we were dominating for 16 straight years.

For the most part it was true too.

Mora invented an entire 3-4 defense to try and stop the 49ers, and it kinda worked too. The Saints for a few years were challenging, but generally speaking the 49ers had good seeding for the playoffs for almost 2 decades.

I've had a few too many brews.... am I correct in thinking that the niners, Seahawks, packers, and Vikings are pretty close to guaranteed playoff teams jockeying for seeding?