⛏ SF 49ERS @ AZ CARDINALS 🌵 Pregame Thread - 2019 Season Week 9

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by thl408:
I think it will be very important to keep Murray in the pocket for those reasons. I checked out half of the Cardinals/Falcons game and it seems like when Murray is in the pocket, he hits quick timing throws. When he's out of the pocket is when he hits his 15+ yard completions. I don't see why wide9 would be bad versus ARI. I don't see the 49ers moving away from it unless ARI starts hitting them with draw plays.

When he gets out of the pocket it becomes a nightmare because he'll backpedal and slowly move laterally waiting for the eventual coverage lapse and he has the arm and accuracy to put it on a dime 30 yards down the field.

His biggest issue has been stepping up into the pocket. He seems to lack comfort doing that and he is quick to checkdown if he can't get out of the pocket so they really have to stay disciplined to prevent those big passing plays.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Niners_D:

Originally posted by PowderdToastMn:
Any of the film guys have any thoughts on the wide 9 v. this air raid offense?

I would think that it's advantageous in keeping a shifty QB in the pocket. I am sure Kyler will make some plays with his legs, but if you make him throw over AA and Buckner, that could mean good things for the D.

Yeah, a 5'10" guy throwing over 6'8" and 6'7" looks really good for us.

I think it will be very important to keep Murray in the pocket for those reasons. I checked out half of the Cardinals/Falcons game and it seems like when Murray is in the pocket, he hits quick timing throws. When he's out of the pocket is when he hits his 15+ yard completions. I don't see why wide9 would be bad versus ARI. I don't see the 49ers moving away from it unless ARI starts hitting them with draw plays.

Originally posted by okdkid:

Assuming no major injuries vs. Arizona... I think Seattle is going to get blownout. They have struggled to beat even the very worst teams in the NFL...at home. Their defense is soft. They have no pass rush to speak of. And the entirety of their success is based on Russell Wilson performing at MVP levels. If he even dips from that slightly they have zero chance.

These next 3 weeks could essentially lock up the NFC West for the Niners.

If they go 3-0, not only can the Seahawks & Rams not break a head to head tie with the Niners but they will all be at least three games behind. And if they aren't already, Arizona will be eliminated from the playoffs for all intents and purposes.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by thl408:
I think it will be very important to keep Murray in the pocket for those reasons. I checked out half of the Cardinals/Falcons game and it seems like when Murray is in the pocket, he hits quick timing throws. When he's out of the pocket is when he hits his 15+ yard completions. I don't see why wide9 would be bad versus ARI. I don't see the 49ers moving away from it unless ARI starts hitting them with draw plays.

When he gets out of the pocket it becomes a nightmare because he'll backpedal and slowly move laterally waiting for the eventual coverage lapse and he has the arm and accuracy to put it on a dime 30 yards down the field.

His biggest issue has been stepping up into the pocket. He seems to lack comfort doing that and he is quick to checkdown if he can't get out of the pocket so they really have to stay disciplined to prevent those big passing plays.

Originally posted by PowderdToastMn:
Any of the film guys have any thoughts on the wide 9 v. this air raid offense?

I would think that it's advantageous in keeping a shifty QB in the pocket. I am sure Kyler will make some plays with his legs, but if you make him throw over AA and Buckner, that could mean good things for the D.

Originally posted by PowderdToastMn:

I was telling my buddy that last week Kyler was getting a little Gabbert-y when he was being forced to throw from inside the pocket. There were a few times where he looked frantic moreso than just getting the ball out quick. He is a scary athlete, and makes a ton of plays on his talent alone, but I think he can be rattled pretty early on.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by PowderdToastMn:
Any of the film guys have any thoughts on the wide 9 v. this air raid offense?

I would think that it's advantageous in keeping a shifty QB in the pocket. I am sure Kyler will make some plays with his legs, but if you make him throw over AA and Buckner, that could mean good things for the D.

Watch for either a lot of stunts to freak him out and Alexander in a spy or a more patient pass rush looking to push the interior first and then the outside guys playing cleanup. With the height of Buck and AA in the middle it'll make it harder for Murray to see. It could also turn into a guessing game between Kingsbury and Saleh in where are they going to blitz from/move the pocket to with each one trying to stay out of predictability.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by PowderdToastMn:
I was telling my buddy that last week Kyler was getting a little Gabbert-y when he was being forced to throw from inside the pocket. There were a few times where he looked frantic moreso than just getting the ball out quick. He is a scary athlete, and makes a ton of plays on his talent alone, but I think he can be rattled pretty early on.

If he gets trapped in the pocket it almost seems like he become claustrophobic. His preference is clearly being on the outside, scanning the field and buying time with his feet.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by PowderdToastMn:

Any of the film guys have any thoughts on the wide 9 v. this air raid offense?

I would think that it's advantageous in keeping a shifty QB in the pocket. I am sure Kyler will make some plays with his legs, but if you make him throw over AA and Buckner, that could mean good things for the D.

Watch for either a lot of stunts to freak him out and Alexander in a spy or a more patient pass rush looking to push the interior first and then the outside guys playing cleanup. With the height of Buck and AA in the middle it'll make it harder for Murray to see. It could also turn into a guessing game between Kingsbury and Saleh in where are they going to blitz from/move the pocket to with each one trying to stay out of predictability.

One thing Fangio used to do versus Wilson was have Aldon rush like normal, but it was Ahmad Brooks who was very patient and controlled in his rush. Almost as if he didn't really pass rush, just get upfield a bit then wait. Once Wilson rolled right, Brooks was there, in control, and able to pressure the escaping QB. All this to prevent the QB from freely rolling to his right.

Originally posted by thl408:

One thing Fangio used to do versus Wilson was have Aldon rush like normal, but it was Ahmad Brooks who was very patient and controlled in his rush. Almost as if he didn't really pass rush, just get upfield a bit then wait. Once Wilson rolled right, Brooks was there, in control, and able to pressure the escaping QB. All this to prevent the QB from freely rolling to his right.