Do we have the worst WR depth in the league?

Originally posted by NorthBay49er:
Should have traded for Nuk

This isn't madden.

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by NCommand:

"We'll get 'em next time guis!"

Tough loss yesterday... nevertheless I'm still blessed, and have many good days to look forward to.

— MG (@marquisegoodwin) November 12, 2019

"many good days to look forward to"


Not in our team I hope.

Close to nothing contributed the last 9 games.

Whether or not it's the "worst in the league" isn't really the question.

The question is: is it a strength or a weakness on our team?

And to that I think the answer is pretty clearly, it's a weakness.

So they need to get better at the WR position. But it's not like they haven't been trying to address it. So essentially what we're saying is that their attempts have not been enough, and the front office and coaching staff need to do better when choosing and acquiring WRs.

At least.. that's what I'm saying.

Look at the Cowboys group of Cooper, Gallup, and Cobb. That's a nice group that was put together in the last two years. It can be done, but you have to make better choices.

Anyone open to Dez Bryant coming aboard? He's only 31 and might be able to still help.

I am more open to this than AB (assuming he can play this year)

Originally posted by TheFunkyChicken:

Whether or not it's the "worst in the league" isn't really the question.

The question is: is it a strength or a weakness on our team?

And to that I think the answer is pretty clearly, it's a weakness.

So they need to get better at the WR position. But it's not like they haven't been trying to address it. So essentially what we're saying is that their attempts have not been enough, and the front office and coaching staff need to do better when choosing and acquiring WRs.

At least.. that's what I'm saying.

Look at the Cowboys group of Cooper, Gallup, and Cobb. That's a nice group that was put together in the last two years. It can be done, but you have to make better choices.

We could have drafted Gallup over Pettis...20/20 hindsight

Sadly I have been a supporter of Pettis but this year it's been tough to stay patient

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
To answer the question: Yes!!!

But IMHO there's a very fundamental reason why. Outside of Kendrick Bourne this is a WR corp picked by Shanny. I know this will be blasphemous to many fans here, but I think Shanny has over valued speed and undervalued physicality. One Dante Pettis is a prime example of that. I think that Shanny is the top offensive mind in the NFL. But he has filled the WR corp with slot-style WRs he has to struggle to scheme open, who aren't big and physical enough to beat physical man coverage, and last night's game was the negative effects of that philosophy on full display. All night the Seasucks sold out on the run, single-high safety, and play physical man coverage across the board because our WR's - with all our speed and route-running skill - aren't physical enough to intimidate nobody to get themselves open in a timely manner. Meanwhile, Jimmy G. faced 8 man boxes and was pressured ALL GAME! I mean, even when Shanny clearly had "man beaters" in the play our WR's still could not beat man coverage. As a coach that was hard to watch from NFL, professional WR's.

For me, the need for a physical big-body WR was so glaring last night. I was watching the game with a few guys I coach with and to a man (outside of myself) they all noticed how the lack of a physical big-body WR was so obviously effecting the team. I know this will be blasphemous to many fans here, but I do think Shanny has over valued speed and undervalued the need for a physical big-body who, in games like last night, can consistently get themselves open in the face of physical man coverage. Right now, we don't have that. So, we can expect every team left on our schedule will do exactly what the Cardinals and Seaducks did to us last night. We simply don't have the WR's who can force the defense out of man coverage.

Yes, Shanahan picked it.

No, he did not undervalue physicality. He picked Hurd for that very reason. He also kept Bourne for the same reason. He drafted Samuel for his physicality. All those guys are physical guys.

We haven't seen the best of Deebo yet but definitely seen enough flashes to see the potential is not far distant.

Bourne is physical but inconsistent catching the ball. That will put him off the team at some point.

Hurd certainly flashed in PS but we won't know until he gets healthy just what he can do.

Just have to get all the guys on the field at the same time.

Originally posted by birdie2bogey:

Originally posted by TheFunkyChicken:
Whether or not it's the "worst in the league" isn't really the question.

The question is: is it a strength or a weakness on our team?

And to that I think the answer is pretty clearly, it's a weakness.

So they need to get better at the WR position. But it's not like they haven't been trying to address it. So essentially what we're saying is that their attempts have not been enough, and the front office and coaching staff need to do better when choosing and acquiring WRs.

At least.. that's what I'm saying.

Look at the Cowboys group of Cooper, Gallup, and Cobb. That's a nice group that was put together in the last two years. It can be done, but you have to make better choices.

We could have drafted Gallup over Pettis...20/20 hindsight

Sadly I have been a supporter of Pettis but this year it's been tough to stay patient

My favorite guys in that draft were Gallup, Tate, Chark, St. Brown, and Ateman

I remember being pretty upset they picked Pettis over Gallup, and traded up to do so. And more upset when Tate slipped all the way to the 4th and we never grabbed him.

But I will say... I ended up liking Pettis more than I had thought I would. He just hasn't taken that next step. And some of those other guys have.

I also really believed in St. Brown, who has not done much at all... so I'm not trying to say I know everything and they know nothing.

But I do think it's reasonable to expect better from them than what they've done so far with their WR picks. Even Deebo over Metcalf is questionable... And how did they coach McLaurin and not pick up on his skill set?

Where then hell was Richie James. I know he did some PR. But don't remember him being anywhere else

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
To answer the question: Yes!!!

But IMHO there's a very fundamental reason why. Outside of Kendrick Bourne this is a WR corp picked by Shanny. I know this will be blasphemous to many fans here, but I think Shanny has over valued speed and undervalued physicality. One Dante Pettis is a prime example of that. I think that Shanny is the top offensive mind in the NFL. But he has filled the WR corp with slot-style WRs he has to struggle to scheme open, who aren't big and physical enough to beat physical man coverage, and last night's game was the negative effects of that philosophy on full display. All night the Seasucks sold out on the run, single-high safety, and play physical man coverage across the board because our WR's - with all our speed and route-running skill - aren't physical enough to intimidate nobody to get themselves open in a timely manner. Meanwhile, Jimmy G. faced 8 man boxes and was pressured ALL GAME! I mean, even when Shanny clearly had "man beaters" in the play our WR's still could not beat man coverage. As a coach that was hard to watch from NFL, professional WR's.

For me, the need for a physical big-body WR was so glaring last night. I was watching the game with a few guys I coach with and to a man (outside of myself) they all noticed how the lack of a physical big-body WR was so obviously effecting the team. I know this will be blasphemous to many fans here, but I do think Shanny has over valued speed and undervalued the need for a physical big-body who, in games like last night, can consistently get themselves open in the face of physical man coverage. Right now, we don't have that. So, we can expect every team left on our schedule will do exactly what the Cardinals and Seaducks did to us last night. We simply don't have the WR's who can force the defense out of man coverage.

Yes, Shanahan picked it.

No, he did not undervalue physicality. He picked Hurd for that very reason. He also kept Bourne for the same reason. He drafted Samuel for his physicality. All those guys are physical guys.

We haven't seen the best of Deebo yet but definitely seen enough flashes to see the potential is not far distant.

Bourne is physical but inconsistent catching the ball. That will put him off the team at some point.

Hurd certainly flashed in PS but we won't know until he gets healthy just what he can do.

Just have to get all the guys on the field at the same time.

Hurd is hurt, so he really can't help us now. But I made this point about Deebo earlier, while he is physical it's clear Shanny didn't draft him to be an outside WR. He drafted him to get him the ball in space, jet-style plays, and reverses. Now, that don't mean that Deebo can't be an outside WR, just that Shanny isn't using him that way (I think he should use him on the outside more though). So you're right, we haven't seen his best yet.

but looking at that game last night it was clear that a physical big-body was an element we were missing.

It's clear, Jimmy has no confidence in any pass catchers not name Kittle and Sanders. Once Sanders came out, Jimmy was looking and looking, and sacked, and turning the ball over.

It was only when the score was 18-21 and Kyle went back to the run game that Jimmy sorta settled down with the play action.

Has to be one of worst...probably bottom 10

I hope there is another high quality FA available.

Sanders came in and lit it up.

IMO, if we had another stud to pair with ES, Kittle and Deebo - we'd be fearsome.

Hurd, at this point, is still an unproven player and we really don't know what he can do.

It is time to give Richie James more offensive snaps. Heck, he can't be worse than our other receivers outside of Sanders.

I think what Kyle had envisioned for his young receivers is that they stay healthy, they play together through 8 games, and by the 2nd half of the season they will be consistent and dependable for Jimmy.

But...