Running Game...

Personally, I always believed our run game was somewhat a gimmick. I don't believe we have overly talented lineman or RB in our backfield. Kyle schemes it, based on players that fit his scheme. That's fine, but once the NFL adapts you have to counter. Our lineman are not very powerful, so they aren't blow guys off the line or able to dominate the defender straight up and our running backs depending on speed and large open lanes (created by good scheming) to have success.

We don't really have any premier backs or lineman to line up and run behind, like the APs, Gores and Lynches of old. I think that's why we seemed to struggle in the red zone running the ball.

That's my take, anyway.

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Personally, I always believed our run game was somewhat a gimmick. I don't believe we have overly talented lineman or RB in our backfield. Kyle schemes it, based on players that fit his scheme. That's fine, but once the NFL adapts you have to counter. Our lineman are not very powerful, so they aren't blow guys off the line or able to dominate the defender straight up and our running backs depending on speed and large open lanes (created by good scheming) to have success.

We don't really have any premier backs or lineman to line up and run behind, like the APs, Gores and Lynches of old. I think that's why we seemed to struggle in the red zone running the ball.

That's my take, anyway.

I hear you, but Kyles former teams had success as well. We have tall and athletic linemen but not big/thick like other styles of lines. Personally I don't think the last couple teams respected our passing game due to Kittle going down and just loaded the box and run blitzed. I suspect the Packers, after seeing how ineffective our run game was in the last few weeks, defends us in a more balanced manner and our run game takes off again this week.

Originally posted by Niners_D:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Personally, I always believed our run game was somewhat a gimmick. I don't believe we have overly talented lineman or RB in our backfield. Kyle schemes it, based on players that fit his scheme. That's fine, but once the NFL adapts you have to counter. Our lineman are not very powerful, so they aren't blow guys off the line or able to dominate the defender straight up and our running backs depending on speed and large open lanes (created by good scheming) to have success.

We don't really have any premier backs or lineman to line up and run behind, like the APs, Gores and Lynches of old. I think that's why we seemed to struggle in the red zone running the ball.

That's my take, anyway.

I hear you, but Kyles former teams had success as well. We have tall and athletic linemen but not big/thick like other styles of lines. Personally I don't think the last couple teams respected our passing game due to Kittle going down and just loaded the box and run blitzed. I suspect the Packers, after seeing how ineffective our run game was in the last few weeks, defends us in a more balanced manner and our run game takes off again this week.

I do agree that our O-line is not overly talented. Staley isn't as quick as he used to be and our guys on the inside have their struggles.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:

Originally posted by jcs:
It doesn't help when the OC/HC is calling disproportionate number of passes (45) to runs (19)

Well we were behind 16-0 and the running game wasn't working at all. So, do you keep pounding your head against the wall or go around it?

You keep pounding it, eventually their front 7 will start to wear out and give up a big play to our cheetahs

this isn't a Harbs offense....you make adjustments. My only issue is there's hardly any motion and misdirection pre-snap like earlier in the yr. That was putting defenders on their heels.

end of the day our OL needs to block better. Jimmy G and Co need to recognize defensive plays and where their run blitzing from. Then adjust.

Originally posted by Niners_D:

I do agree that our O-line is not overly talented. Staley isn't as quick as he used to be and our guys on the inside have their struggles.

I think the O line was taken to the "that will do us for now" point and then parked to allow other areas to be worked on. I think that the last few weeks have shown that the guards are something of a weakness in the running game now. I would like to see Staley back and healthy before I make a judgement on him. The two young tackles have done a really good job but I am coming to the opinion that we perhaps still need to pick up an OT next spring - unless Shon Coleman islikely to return as starter material - and at least one guard. Trouble is, the team seem to really like both of the starters.

The O line still needs work.

Originally posted by Niners_D:

Originally posted by Niners_D:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Personally, I always believed our run game was somewhat a gimmick. I don't believe we have overly talented lineman or RB in our backfield. Kyle schemes it, based on players that fit his scheme. That's fine, but once the NFL adapts you have to counter. Our lineman are not very powerful, so they aren't blow guys off the line or able to dominate the defender straight up and our running backs depending on speed and large open lanes (created by good scheming) to have success.

We don't really have any premier backs or lineman to line up and run behind, like the APs, Gores and Lynches of old. I think that's why we seemed to struggle in the red zone running the ball.

That's my take, anyway.

I hear you, but Kyles former teams had success as well. We have tall and athletic linemen but not big/thick like other styles of lines. Personally I don't think the last couple teams respected our passing game due to Kittle going down and just loaded the box and run blitzed. I suspect the Packers, after seeing how ineffective our run game was in the last few weeks, defends us in a more balanced manner and our run game takes off again this week.

I do agree that our O-line is not overly talented. Staley isn't as quick as he used to be and our guys on the inside have their struggles.

I do hope they continue to build out our line or at least try to make it better every offseason. Its really important, especially because Jimmy seems a lot less mobile post injury.

Originally posted by Garce:
Keep Jimmy throwing the ball successfully and dudes can't stack the box.

Get kittle back.

Get Breida back.

You NAILED it!

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by Niners_D:
I do agree that our O-line is not overly talented. Staley isn't as quick as he used to be and our guys on the inside have their struggles.

I think the O line was taken to the "that will do us for now" point and then parked to allow other areas to be worked on. I think that the last few weeks have shown that the guards are something of a weakness in the running game now. I would like to see Staley back and healthy before I make a judgement on him. The two young tackles have done a really good job but I am coming to the opinion that we perhaps still need to pick up an OT next spring - unless Shon Coleman islikely to return as starter material - and at least one guard. Trouble is, the team seem to really like both of the starters.

The O line still needs work.

Totally agree.

by running.

Originally posted by Garce:

Keep Jimmy throwing the ball successfully and dudes can't stack the box.

Get kittle back.

Get Breida back.

Breida ain't really doing much either , gotta get the OL fixed

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by jcs:

You keep pounding it, eventually their front 7 will start to wear out and give up a big play to our cheetahs

That's what we used to scream at Greg Roman for doing. Maybe you can do that when you have all your horses but Kyle could see that he had to get points before falling any further behind.

Exactly this. You have to know when it's time to switch over to the passing attack, especially when you have a QB that's able to get it done and is able to make all the throws. Our opponents have been going all out to stop the run, yet you still want us to keep running on 1st and 2nd down for one or two yard gains, or the possibility of a huge loss since we've been getting run blitzed as well. That's a recipe for failure, and we'd have lost the game if we continued to Greg Roman/Jimmy Raye the game.

Originally posted by FullStackDev:

Originally posted by 9moon:
PATIENCE is the name of the game, baby !!

Instead of being cute w/our passing attack, Shanny needs to attack the D w/short passing and seam routes.. This should open up the D and will allow us to get back to having a great running game.

It's the old philosophy... D trying to stop the run, then we get them w/short passes... When they play the short passes, then we run..

IT'S THAT SIMPLE!!

GO NINERSSSSS !!!

Didn't they do this in the PIT game? Most of the passes that got deflected that lead to an INT was short-slant to dink and dunk passes? Just trying to remember without going into NFL gamepass.

ACTUALLY, they didn't .. 70% of the time, Shanny was calling for play actions fakes in hope to slow down the rush.. but the Steelers would blitz each time Jimmy turns his back on the D and that's why we struggled that time..

again, Shanny just needs to be patience and know when to just be simple in his running game... He needs to really watch some of his dad's tape on how Mike would call that STRETCH RUN and allow TD to pick his cut back lanes..

Both Tev and Mostert would GREAT if Shanny would just use that way..

After watching the past couple of games I think the problem with the rushing attack has been just needs to take a more Drive blocking approach



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We've got to use more screen passes to slow the rush down.

I have been saying since the beginning of the season that RAHEEM MOSTERT is our best RB but Shanahan has been hell-bent to keep him at #3 which is ridiculous. He is a Pro Bowl special teams gunner, always the first man down. He is the fastest of the RBs whose fastest recorded time is 4.34, but he has been timed in 4.28. He's the best pass protector of the 3, and much stronger and more reliable than Breida. It seems like a waste of time every time they hand the ball to Coleman and yesterday RAHEEM proved his value with a monster game in the most important game of the year. It's time Shanahan and Turner woke up and made him the feature back. He is CLUTCH and we are going to need his speed and toughness down the stretch...