SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS vs BALTIMORE RAVENS - Week 13 PREGAME

Originally posted by smithgdwg:

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:

Originally posted by LenCat:

Originally posted by LenCat:

Ravens favored in the early line. I could see this drop to 3 1/2 or 3

12/1 1:00 ET At Baltimore -4.5 San Francisco 46

wow did I get that wrong. As of this morning....

12/1 1:00 ET At Baltimore -6 San Francisco 46

I'm surprised it's not higher. I expected Baltimore -10.

What number would make you bet on the 49ers?

In this game? Probably Baltimore -21, depending on the weather. It looks like a blowout on paper, looking at it objectively.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

I'm planning on diving into Ravens Film later on Thanksgiving(we live in Bama and all our family lives in OR and WA so it's a short, small family thanksgiving for us) and am going to be investigating this supposed Ravens offense. I still remember a lot of the stuff Roman did here so I'm interested to see what's different.

Not much from what I've seen. Just more speed at RB and WR

Originally posted by ProfessorKel:


The NFL is so fickle. I forgot the Browns beat the Ravens earlier this season.

And they lost to the Chiefs and barely beat the Steelers and had a close game against the Bungles. But that's all moot. They have five straight blowout wins in a row to the tune of 202 - 62.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Jackson is a quarterback that is an amazing runner. He is every bit the passer that Murray is and then some. You keep trying to make him one dimensional like he's Tim Tebow on steroids but he's a far better passer than you are giving him credit for.

I never once labeled him that. I don't think he's the same caliber thrower that Murray or Wilson is. I don't see a ton of tight window throws, I see a lot of first read throws to open guys.

He's improved from last yr, but he's still a running QB that's what makes him special.

I dont think lamar is a great thrower also. I say keep him in the pocket and dare him to challenge our secondary, sherman and eman will be waiting. Against the rams he might have thrown 5 TDs but barely threw for 169 yds and ran for almost 100yds.

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:

Originally posted by smithgdwg:

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:

Originally posted by LenCat:

Originally posted by LenCat:

Ravens favored in the early line. I could see this drop to 3 1/2 or 3

12/1 1:00 ET At Baltimore -4.5 San Francisco 46

wow did I get that wrong. As of this morning....

12/1 1:00 ET At Baltimore -6 San Francisco 46

I'm surprised it's not higher. I expected Baltimore -10.

What number would make you bet on the 49ers?

In this game? Probably Baltimore -21, depending on the weather. It looks like a blowout on paper, looking at it objectively.

You never look at things objectively lol. Unless worse case scenario is objective. Preparing your mind for the worse ahead of time.

Originally posted by VDSF:

Originally posted by ProfessorKel:

The NFL is so fickle. I forgot the Browns beat the Ravens earlier this season.

The Ravens did some adjustments after this game and haven't looked back since. Hopefully Saleh has some sort of formula to stop Lamar.

This game was also after the chiefs beat them also.

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

I'm planning on diving into Ravens Film later on Thanksgiving(we live in Bama and all our family lives in OR and WA so it's a short, small family thanksgiving for us) and am going to be investigating this supposed Ravens offense. I still remember a lot of the stuff Roman did here so I'm interested to see what's different.

Not much from what I've seen. Just more speed at RB and WR

Seems like they use way more TE's. Obviously a lot more QB runs. Lamar is so much faster and agile than Kap was. I can't wait to hear what you find JD. You nailed the film analysis on the Packers last week. Their LB's gotten eaten up on the run action. I think Jimmy was like 7-7 for 160 yards and a TD off of play action

Originally posted by LenCat:
wow did I get that wrong. As of this morning....

12/1 1:00 ET At Baltimore -6 San Francisco 46

It's just hype over last nights win.

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:

In this game? Probably Baltimore -21, depending on the weather. It looks like a blowout on paper, looking at it objectively.

Lol objectively.

I am not liking our odds on this one. That being said, I can't help but see similarities to the recent past. The Ravens run a some what similar offense to what we ran in 2012/13 (though theirs is statistically better over this short period of time). We run a some what similar defense to Seattle in 2012/13 (though statistically better of this short period of time). We have our opportunities if we can be mentally tougher than they are willing to be.

The fact that this game matters a bit less in the over all division standings for both teams relative to upcoming matches means a game of chicken might actually work. If we can hit LJ hard a few times early that may cause the Ravens to go vanilla, keeping their franchise out of danger for this less meaningful match. Likewise, if the Ravens start physically beating down our D-Line we may see some softening of our defensive scheme rather than risking losing our strength before a really important New Orleans game. Basically I think that what ever we see during this Sundays game will pale in comparison to what we would see if these two teams do meet each other in the Superbowl in Feb. No one is going to unload their clip this time around.

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:

Sounds logical.

The ultimate test will be how the 49ers defense contain the Ravens rushing attack/RPO. This is the problem that the Patriots couldn't solve. If you watch the Patriots/Ravens game. The Pats where overwhelmed by Mark Ingram, so much that they had to commit to him, and then got gashed by Lamar's keepers on third downs.

No one knows what to do! So crazy.

You know what to do. You have to load up front and make Jackson throw the ball and stay in the pocket and make him throw to win. Stop Ingram and QB keepers and make the WRs win the one on ones. This is a bit different than how you play pocket passers but eventually we will have to play these guys the same way SEattle used to play us defensively under Harbaugh. You take you chances with Jackson as a pocket passer and bet that you can out score BAL playing such a game. This ain't rocket science but it's a big switch from how we've been playing defensively vs other QBs.

If we don't change for this QB we will be eaten alive in the ground game rushing totals and time of possession. It's going to look like a whooping. I don't think we should try to play BAL like we played GB defensively

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
I don't know if even Lamar can escape this.

the #49ers defensive line has a PhD in creating havoc. pic.twitter.com/ywVMEvj1Q6

— JonnydelsFA (@jonnydels) November 26, 2019

That same controlled mayhem approach that worked so well to contain Rodgers will also work again Jackson. When Jackson causes problems is when the DL gets pushed to the outside, leaving escape routes up the middle. It will be up to Buckner, Jones and whoever else lines up inside to make sure that does not happen.

Marshall Yanda is the best OG we will have faced this season. He can win one-on-one most of the time. Center Matt Skura appeared to suffer a significant knee injury last night. If he can't go, it may require the guards to give their UDFA rookie replacement more help. Good for us.

Sounds logical.

The ultimate test will be how the 49ers defense contain the Ravens rushing attack/RPO. This is the problem that the Patriots couldn't solve. If you watch the Patriots/Ravens game. The Pats where overwhelmed by Mark Ingram, so much that they had to commit to him, and then got gashed by Lamar's keepers on third downs.

No one knows what to do! So crazy.

The question is, is Lamar that much superior to Murray or Wilson as an athlete? If not, we can contain him. While we weren't perfect against Murray, we still sacked him a bunch of times and Russ only got out a couple times. If you remember, until that INT, Seattle's offense hadn't done didly squat.

It's one thing to compare talent, but it's another thing to compare scheme and play call. This is a real chess game against Greg Roman (probably as good as it gets considering the variables), he like Kyle Shanahan can dictate what they want defenses to do.

I can't wait for you to break down the Ravens on film. Because I'm certain you'll conclude that the only way to contain them is to play your best, fundamentally sound, mistake-free game. Hat on a hat.

This is for sure, the hardest test we'll face this year.

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
You know what to do. You have to load up front and make Jackson throw the ball and stay in the pocket and make him throw to win. Stop Ingram and QB keepers and make the WRs win the one on ones. This is a bit different than how you play pocket passers but eventually we will have to play these guys the same way SEattle used to play us defensively under Harbaugh. You take you chances with Jackson as a pocket passer and bet that you can out score BAL playing such a game. This ain't rocket science but it's a big switch from how we've been playing defensively vs other QBs.

If we don't change for this QB we will be eaten alive in the ground game rushing totals and time of possession. It's going to look like a whooping. I don't think we should try to play BAL like we played GB defensively

I agree with you. And the bolded is what every team in the last 8-9 weeks have tried (including the Patriots), but aren't able to do. It's way easier said than done, and the only way to achieve it (in my opinion) is for your defense to win their individual matches, and play absolutely sound with their responsibilities. That's a daunting task to play perfect for 60 minutes, but if there's any defense that can do it, it's more than likely the Niners.

That's why this is the match-up of the year. Hands down.

Originally posted by Luckycharms:

Seems like they use way more TE's. Obviously a lot more QB runs. Lamar is so much faster and agile than Kap was. I can't wait to hear what you find JD. You nailed the film analysis on the Packers last week. Their LB's gotten eaten up on the run action. I think Jimmy was like 7-7 for 160 yards and a TD off of play action

An eight man front and attacking his legs will slow all of that down. We've seen it done before. If we play the same way we have vs the other QBs it's going to be a long day. If we play defense for this QB we can take away the ground game and force him to beat us throwing. You do that and you have a chance to win a shootout. But if we play the way we normally do and we miss we can get gashed and bludgeoned in the ground game

Originally posted by pdizo916:

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:
In this game? Probably Baltimore -21, depending on the weather. It looks like a blowout on paper, looking at it objectively.

Lol objectively.

Looking at this "objectively", I think we beat the brakes off these fools

Niners 123
RatBirds -2

That's how ridiculous you sound, Tootskittle