SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS vs BALTIMORE RAVENS - Week 13 PREGAME

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:

The 49ers and Ravens have six common opponents this year.

SF is +69 in those games. BAL is +83.

Since each team acquired Sanders/Peters.

SF is +77. Bal is +140.

The Patriots are widely considered the other "top" team in the NFL. In those five games they are +13.

— KP 🏁 (@KP_Show) November 26, 2019

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:

Originally posted by Jaci:

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:

Originally posted by Jaci:

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:

A source for things that are objective, like schematic changes to defense, not subjective things. I don't see what's wrong with that?

What schematic changes though? I'd love to know. Personnel wise I already told you what changed and overall it's been a negative not a positive.

I'm looking for it. It's hard to search for things on Reddit. Also, how do you see it as a negative? They're up to 4th in defensive DVOA. They were around 20 2 months ago.

This post brought to you by Reddit...when you need a reliable source.

No more or less reliable than anywhere else. It's also purely about transactions, so it's not hard to verify, but whatever. The question was about what changes have the Ravens made to their defense since the Browns game, and obviously they must have made some changes as teams don't just go from being the 30th defense to the best defense in the league without doing something.

Now the Ravens have the best defense in the league? Just wow.

Since week 7, they do have the best defense in the league statistically.

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:

Originally posted by Jaci:

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:

Originally posted by Jaci:

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:

A source for things that are objective, like schematic changes to defense, not subjective things. I don't see what's wrong with that?

What schematic changes though? I'd love to know. Personnel wise I already told you what changed and overall it's been a negative not a positive.

I'm looking for it. It's hard to search for things on Reddit. Also, how do you see it as a negative? They're up to 4th in defensive DVOA. They were around 20 2 months ago.

This post brought to you by Reddit...when you need a reliable source.

No more or less reliable than anywhere else. It's also purely about transactions, so it's not hard to verify, but whatever. The question was about what changes have the Ravens made to their defense since the Browns game, and obviously they must have made some changes as teams don't just go from being the 30th defense to the best defense in the league without doing something.

Now the Ravens have the best defense in the league? Just wow.

Since week 7, they do have the best defense in the league statistically.

Keep moving those goalposts bro.

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:

A source for things that are objective, like schematic changes to defense, not subjective things. I don't see what's wrong with that?

What schematic changes though? I'd love to know. Personnel wise I already told you what changed and overall it's been a negative not a positive.

I'm looking for it. It's hard to search for things on Reddit. Also, how do you see it as a negative? They're up to 4th in defensive DVOA. They were around 20 2 months ago.

Here's the post I was referring to, it's not as in-depth on the actual schematic changes as I remembered unfortunately (my bad), but it does go into some of the personnel changes and how that has affected the defense

The Ravens defense coming out of that Browns game was one of the worst in the league (like 30th or something, I'm honestly to ashamed to even look it up). Since then we have completely revamped how our defense works and brought in a ton of new personnel.

The very next day they signed LB LJ Fort. Since then they have also brought in LB Josh, DT Jihad Ward, CB Marcus Peters (easily the biggest addition), S Bennett Jackson, LB Demone Harris, DB Jordan Richards, and DT Domata Peko. This is not counting at least half a dozen other players who were brought in short term and then either released again or signed to the practice squad.

We have also gotten CBs Jimmy Smith and Iman Marshall back from injury. And handed on the field play calling over to S Chuck Clark who has done a fantastic job with it.

Since signing Peters in week 7 we are the #1 ranked defense in the league. Better than both the 49ers and Patriots defenses. This is how this Raven team is so great now but could lose to the Browns in week 4.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/e1t53v/for_those_curious_how_this_ravens_team_lost_to/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Outside of Byrnes who's a 30+ yr old nomad LBer the rest hardly ever play. Go look at their PFF stats they're bottom of the barrel players lol. Chuck as been serviceable at SS, but is a downgrade from Jefferson.

That ravens fan is the equivalent as a 49er fan saying our D is doing amazing because of damontre moore haha.

It's very simple, their offense is putting up a massive amount of points very quickly, which makes offenses one dimensional. It's not rocket science. It's not because of guys like Peko/fort/Ward etc...

Originally posted by ProfessorKel:
I guess the natural follow-up question is, how did the other RBs play in these games?

Was Jackson contained, or did he get so much attention that his supporting cast stepped up?

Vs. Patriots:
Ingram - 15 Carries, 115 Yards
G. Edwards - 2 Carries, 27 Yards

Vs. Steelers:
M. Ingram - 19 Carries, 44 Yards
G. Edwards - 5 Carries, 17 Yards

Replicate the Steelers' defensive gameplan, please (3 INTs in addition to "only" 61 rushing yards)!

only issue with this is that I think Hollywood Brown was out in that game...

edit: he was not - that's interesting. The Steelers totally shut them down.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Outside of Byrnes who's a 30+ yr old nomad LBer the rest hardly ever play. Go look at their PFF stats they're bottom of the barrel players lol. Chuck as been serviceable at SS, but is a downgrade from Jefferson.

That ravens fan is the equivalent as a 49er fan saying our D is doing amazing because of damontre moore haha.

It's very simple, their D is putting up a massive amount of points very quickly which makes offenses one dimensional. It's not rocket science. It's not because of guys like Peko/fort/Ward etc...

It may not be as complex as that fan made it sound, but I don't think it's as simple as you're stating it either. If their defense wasn't good, but the beneficiary of their offense forcing teams to become one dimensional, I don't think their 1st quarter scoring differential would be the highest in the league, because logically teams wouldn't abandon their game plan that early.

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:

It may not be as complex as that fan made it sound, but I don't think it's as simple as you're stating it either. If their defense wasn't good, but the beneficiary of their offense forcing teams to become one dimensional, I don't think their 1st quarter scoring differential would be the highest in the league, because logically teams wouldn't abandon their game plan that early.

Well that's wrong...they're putting up pts fast. Go look at last night. They had like 14 pts in a matter of mins. LA ran the ball 9xs.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:

It may not be as complex as that fan made it sound, but I don't think it's as simple as you're stating it either. If their defense wasn't good, but the beneficiary of their offense forcing teams to become one dimensional, I don't think their 1st quarter scoring differential would be the highest in the league, because logically teams wouldn't abandon their game plan that early.

Well that's wrong...they're putting up pts fast. Go look at last night. They had like 14 pts in a matter of mins. LA ran the ball 9xs.

And that's partly because the Rams did nothing on offense in the 1st quarter. It's no mystery that a good offense aids the defense and vice versa, but the Ravens D isn't solely benefitting from the offense being good. They stopped the Rams from doing anything before their offense started pouring on the points. Both sides are benefiting from the effectiveness of each other, which is similar to the formula for success that we've had all year.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
I've said it before and I'll say it again, we dont have to play thr ravens, the ravens have to play us!

Originally posted by RonMexico:

every week there is a reason why we will lose, why the other team is better, why we haven't faced anyone and why our opponent is the first real test

10-1

I heard from our own fans, how good the Packers defense supposedly.

37pts-- their defense must've let us scored on long drives to save Rodgers life

While their defensive performance has been impressive in the last four games, and their game against the Texans very impressive, the best offense they have played in the other three games was the Rams, who are ranked #16 in YPG in the NFL.

One of their other games was the Bengals with the backup QB they just benched.

Small sample size and bad competition. The Niners offense is better than the Texans and their D is obvs a differentiator. They aren't getting up 21-0 on us.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
I heard from our own fans, how good the Packers defense supposedly.

37pts-- their defense must've let us scored on long drives to save Rodgers life

Those fans were ignant, anyone could look at the numbers and tell you the Pack were hugely overrated.

Ravens are definitely a different story.

Will be a great game.

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:

And that's partly because the Rams did nothing on offense in the 1st quarter. It's no mystery that a good offense aids the defense and vice versa, but the Ravens D isn't solely benefitting from the offense being good. They stopped the Rams from doing anything before their offense started pouring on the points. Both sides are benefiting from the effectiveness of each other, which is similar to the formula for success that we've had all year.

Ravens scored on their 1st two possessions. It's was 14 nothing after 3 series between the two teams lol. That's how it's been for a couple weeks for them.

Again their D isn't elite all of a sudden because they picked up a bunch of scrubs off the streets. Peters was a good move, he's still questionable as a lockdown guy, he will get ints but give up stuff.

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:

The 49ers and Ravens have six common opponents this year.

SF is +69 in those games. BAL is +83.

Since each team acquired Sanders/Peters.

SF is +77. Bal is +140.

The Patriots are widely considered the other "top" team in the NFL. In those five games they are +13.

— KP 🏁 (@KP_Show) November 26, 2019

Oh noez. The niners are better off forfeiting the game

I really feel like if we beat the Ravens, then i think the rest will give us the respect we deserve.

Even though i feel like we deserve it already.

Originally posted by davide49:

Originally posted by ProfessorKel:
I guess the natural follow-up question is, how did the other RBs play in these games?

Was Jackson contained, or did he get so much attention that his supporting cast stepped up?

Vs. Patriots:
Ingram - 15 Carries, 115 Yards
G. Edwards - 2 Carries, 27 Yards

Vs. Steelers:
M. Ingram - 19 Carries, 44 Yards
G. Edwards - 5 Carries, 17 Yards

Replicate the Steelers' defensive gameplan, please (3 INTs in addition to "only" 61 rushing yards)!

only issue with this is that I think Hollywood Brown was out in that game...

edit: he was not - that's interesting. The Steelers totally shut them down.

That's divisional games for 'ya. Never know what to expect!

The Niners need to go at least 1-1 on this 2 game road trip if they want to control their own destiny for the division title and home field advantage. There's no other way around it