SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS vs BALTIMORE RAVENS - Week 13 PREGAME

Originally posted by Jaci:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by Niners_D:
They love going heavy with their TEs....we loved going heavy with Davis and Walker...we are basically playing the Jim Harbaugh Niners.

with a better qb in jackson

but not that good of a defense.

3rd in Run D (9ers are 19th).

I think he meant overall defense. Not just Run D.

Lol. Some will only use the ones that only fits their narratives.

This isn't a "narrative". 3rd in Run D is a real thing when we find ourselves not being able to run on them. Watch the games, bro.

Lol, our defense is still better than theirs. End of discussion

Our defense doesn't play against their defense. LOL. End of discussion.

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by Rascal:
Our defense doesn't play against their defense. LOL. End of discussion.

Originally posted by Rascal:
Bro, since I have been online, the line has now gone up to 6!! LOL.

FUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!!!

We're f**ked!

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by Jaci:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by Niners_D:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by Antix:
They're gonna score.points. No way around it.

I think we should be more concerned about if we will score enough against them. They have a damn good defense too, the best we will have faced to this point. By far. On the road. In an extremely hostile environment. Baltimore has one of the low key best home field advantages there is when they are good. Luckily we have KS but if we make too many mistakes this will be a problem. Can we keep up on offense is what I'm actually more concerned with.

The most points thr Ravens can score at any given time is 7 or 8. Can we do enough on offense to keep pace with that? That's honestly the matchup I'm most excited to see.

I was about to bring it up myself.

The fact is teams can't score against the Ravens.

I wondered why until I started looking into it. Their D-line is stout AF.

And this is what I found, their D-line might not be full of sack masters like our boys, but their line is built on size and physicality to stop the run. There is a reason why they are ranked 3rd in Run D when the 9ers are all the way down at 19th. Our D-line personnel types are totally different.

So, get this, how much do you think our DTs weigh? Take Buckner for example, the dude is 300 lbs. And their DTs? 325, 336, 340, 350.

And guess how much our own DEs weigh? Dee Ford 255, Bosa 266. And theirs? 287, 300.

While they might not be getting many sacks, they are nevertheless going to collapse the pocket in a big way. This is further compounded by the fact that the 9ers has the smallest/lightest O-line in the entire NFL. So, believe me, Jimmy G will be feeling it. But, that is not the end of the story, their back end aren't exactly scrubs neither which kind of explains when teams tried to throw on them they couldn't neither on top of not being able to run against those giants.

And this is kind of my fear. If the field is too wet/muddy then those D-linemen will be pushing us around. If it is just dry enough I think we will be OK with our scheme.

Is simple physics. If is down to a bar fight scenario in the mud, their pure size and strength will without doubt out-physical the 9ers.

The 9ers are only physical on the defensive side of the ball. On the offensive side of the ball, we are essentially a finesse team that wins on clever schematics and speed. Our O-line will never be able to handle really physical dudes. Our O-line is primarily a zone blocking line, when it comes to pass protection we are pretty sh*t actually if I am being honest.

Niners finesse offense?
Is that what kittle said to baker while he was stiff arming him for a td with a popped knee cap and chipped bone?
Or deebo when he is constantly going over the middle?
You are way off on this one dude. If you are specifically talking about oline, they have been playing ever which way due to injuries- I think they are doing well and getting a healthy Staley back will help.

Kittle in the only exception.

Look at our WR corps, tell me who is big, strong and physical other than Jalen Hurd who is out for the year? Deebo? Errr, may be. Look at the rest. All of them are small, skinny and soft. Sanders, Goodwin, Pettis, etc. One good hit can sort them out in a blink of an eye.

I stand by what I say about the O-line. It is not a pass pro line, it is a line designed to be light and shifty for zone run blocking. Even if Staley gets back, the guy is old. We all saw how Clowney embarrassed the fxxk out of him on Monday Night Football. And how about McGlinchey? The kid gets regularly owned too.

One good hit, so I guess deebo has been playing without being hit this whole season? Seems to be doing pretty well for that.
Honestly don't see your logic as you played it out here. So any person that is the largest in the NFL will win and that's it? Tell that to a midget in Seattle. A lot of things go into being a good player and a well coached prepared team.

No, I didn't say one hit they will be out for the season. But, they will nevertheless be out for a game or two.

What I said about size is what John Harbaugh has clearly done here. The midget in Seattle doesn't play D-line.

Originally posted by BMoore56:
We should win this game. There receivers dont scare me as against our secondary. Mark Ingram is a good back but I expect him to be neutralized. Kyle will scheme some good plays against there defense and put up some points. The only thing I'm worried about is Lamar Jackson and how our defense plays against mobile QBs. I expect our ends to play a lot of contain.

We just played against 3 mobile QBs the last 4 games...Lamar may be the best one with his legs, but I think he'll be expected to do too much in this game and it won't be enough in the end

Yeah their WRs aren't scaring anyone. Saleh can pin point on Lamar. Can't wait, it's going to be a doozy

Originally posted by Rascal:
Only earlier on in the season. Since then, they have improved substantially. Did you watch the Texans and Rams games?

neither of those teams are in the same tier as the niners

Originally posted by Rascal:
No, I didn't say one hit they will be out for the season. But, they will nevertheless be out for a game or two.

What I said about size is what John Harbaugh has clearly done here. The midget in Seattle doesn't play D-line.

uhhhhh are you saying that a heavier defensive lineman/offensive lineman always beats a lighter opponent? lol, alright

Originally posted by Rascal:
Only earlier on in the season. Since then, they have improved substantially. Did you watch the Texans and Rams games?

Yeah...both teams have regressed mightily. Texans are without JJ Watt. Rams...are a shadow of 2018...and our defense made them look like fools before they were completely off the rails. Unlike the Texans and Rams, the 49'ers have not been regressing as the season has worn on. They went through a three game stretch against some of the most mobile QB's in the league and won 2/3 of the contests without several key starters.

Jackson runs. La dee freakin da! Keep doubting if it makes you feel better. I'm looking forward to the game.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

he won't last unless he starts to play more like wilson

but hey, if he can win a superbowl or two then maybe its worth it

Yup they'll just milk him up during his rookie deal and draft another if he doesn't last. Pretty good for a third rounder if you can get a ring or two

Originally posted by Seattle49er:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by Niners_D:

They love going heavy with their TEs....we loved going heavy with Davis and Walker...we are basically playing the Jim Harbaugh Niners.

with a better qb in jackson

but not that good of a defense.

3rd in Run D (9ers are 19th).

I think he meant overall defense. Not just Run D.

Lol. Some will only use the ones that only fits their narratives.

This isn't a "narrative". 3rd in Run D is a real thing when we find ourselves not being able to run on them. Watch the games, bro.

Lol, our defense is still better than theirs. End of discussion

Our defense doesn't play against their defense. LOL. End of discussion.

You sound just like Kittleskittle, nothin but negative Nancy b.s. If you're so worried don't watch the game. But don't sit here post after post trying to convince us that we're doomed.

Sooner or later someone is going to lay the smack down on RGIII 2.0 might as well be the 49ers. Personally I'd like to see a Chancellor vs VD hit on LJ, maybe that will bring him back to earth and get all these talking heads off his jock. Maybe then he can start using his head instead of just his braun. Sooner later he's going to get hurt, Harbaugh and the Ravens obviously don't care if they did they wouldn't continue to allow their starting QB to keep running like he does. Right now he's not costing them big money so what the F right?

It's always exceptions too. Well you haven't beat anyone, green bay or insert name wasn't that actually good in retrospect. Oh your offense is not physical, oh except kittle (pretty effing big part of the offense).

It's not saying that the ravens are good or the niners may lose that's it. Its consistently detailing a narrative to fit what you say. Jimmy hasn't been shouldering the team, well throw out the cardinals games. Why?
They just keep readjusting the stats to fit the doomsday speech. Pretty difficult to do for a team that is 10-1, clearly some are up to the challenge though.

LJ will be tough to limit... he truly does add an authentic third dimension to account for.

This is what I have noticed, he does not throw as well to his left side... so I would shade the coverage to his right side and compensate by being a little soft on his left, and orient the coverage that way.

Outside pass rushers need to make sure to contain him in the pocket, which may limit their sack potential. I would rush 4 drop 6, and have a spy who can keep up with him like maybe Jimmy Ward.

Our run D is solid and I don't anticipate us having any issues shutting down their rushing game.

Also, our DE our terrible at recognizing counter, bootleg, and reverse to hold their gap... so I would empahsize this for this game which again would limit their pass rush abilities.

Don't expect Bosa/Ford to get any direct sacks, if they doit will be LJ being flushed outside because the pocket collapses.

Thats' my take for now, but that might change after a few more slugs of Brandy.

Carry on WZers.

Originally posted by Seattle49er:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by Niners_D:
They love going heavy with their TEs....we loved going heavy with Davis and Walker...we are basically playing the Jim Harbaugh Niners.

with a better qb in jackson

but not that good of a defense.

3rd in Run D (9ers are 19th).

I think he meant overall defense. Not just Run D.

Lol. Some will only use the ones that only fits their narratives.

This isn't a "narrative". 3rd in Run D is a real thing when we find ourselves not being able to run on them. Watch the games, bro.

Lol, our defense is still better than theirs. End of discussion

Our defense doesn't play against their defense. LOL. End of discussion.

You sound just like Kittleskittle, nothin but negative Nancy b.s. If you're so worried don't watch the game. But don't sit here post after post trying to convince us that we're doomed.

Sooner or later someone is going to lay the smack down on RGIII 2.0 might as well be the 49ers. Personally I'd like to see a Chancellor vs VD hit on LJ, maybe that will bring him back to earth and get all these talking heads off his jock. Maybe then he can start using his head instead of just his braun. Sooner later he's going to get hurt, Harbaugh and the Ravens obviously don't care if they did they wouldn't continue to allow their starting QB to keep running like he does. Right now he's not costing them big money so what the F right?

Well, looks like you have answered your own question. But, John Harbaugh would be right. If you want to play a mobile QB, you have to let them do their thing and not try to mold them into a pocket passer. That is a no no. RG3 couldn't make that switch, nor could Kap for that matter. Jim Harbaugh did the wrong thing, he should have embraced mobile QB play to allow Kap to flourish.

Either way, it has nothing to do with being negative, it is what it is. Don't let emotions get the best of you. Is very simple, Vegas doesn't mess around, they are a money-making machine. Is only Tuesday, they have already upped the line from 49ers +4.5 to +6. And there is a very good reason for that.

Originally posted by Seattle49er:

You sound just like Kittleskittle, nothin but negative Nancy b.s. If you're so worried don't watch the game. But don't sit here post after post trying to convince us that we're doomed.

Sooner or later someone is going to lay the smack down on RGIII 2.0 might as well be the 49ers. Personally I'd like to see a Chancellor vs VD hit on LJ, maybe that will bring him back to earth and get all these talking heads off his jock. Maybe then he can start using his head instead of just his braun. Sooner later he's going to get hurt, Harbaugh and the Ravens obviously don't care if they did they wouldn't continue to allow their starting QB to keep running like he does. Right now he's not costing them big money so what the F right?

Exactly. They know that they can just try to draft another if they can get a chip or two

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by Seattle49er:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by Niners_D:

They love going heavy with their TEs....we loved going heavy with Davis and Walker...we are basically playing the Jim Harbaugh Niners.

with a better qb in jackson

but not that good of a defense.

3rd in Run D (9ers are 19th).

I think he meant overall defense. Not just Run D.

Lol. Some will only use the ones that only fits their narratives.

This isn't a "narrative". 3rd in Run D is a real thing when we find ourselves not being able to run on them. Watch the games, bro.

Lol, our defense is still better than theirs. End of discussion

Our defense doesn't play against their defense. LOL. End of discussion.

You sound just like Kittleskittle, nothin but negative Nancy b.s. If you're so worried don't watch the game. But don't sit here post after post trying to convince us that we're doomed.

Sooner or later someone is going to lay the smack down on RGIII 2.0 might as well be the 49ers. Personally I'd like to see a Chancellor vs VD hit on LJ, maybe that will bring him back to earth and get all these talking heads off his jock. Maybe then he can start using his head instead of just his braun. Sooner later he's going to get hurt, Harbaugh and the Ravens obviously don't care if they did they wouldn't continue to allow their starting QB to keep running like he does. Right now he's not costing them big money so what the F right?

Well, looks like you have answered your own question. But, John Harbaugh would be right. If you want to play a mobile QB, you have to let them do their thing and not try to mold them into a pocket passer. That is a no no. RG3 couldn't make that switch, nor could Kap for that matter. Jim Harbaugh did the wrong thing, he should have embraced mobile QB play to allow Kap to flourish.

Either way, it has nothing to do with being negative, it is what it is. Don't let emotions get the best of you. Is very simple, Vegas doesn't mess around, they are a money-making machine. Is only Tuesday, they have already upped the line from 49ers +4.5 to +6. And there is a very good reason for that.

Yeah Vegas. Hey how did that Niners Cardinals game treat you?

Originally posted by Niners_D:

...and more...

Both Harbaughs had massive O-lines
Both had one speedster WR (Hollywood and Ginn)

RB Alex Collins crashed his Vette and was arrested for possession of lots of weed and a gun. Aldon Smith was....eh never-mind.

Except this Harbaugh uses his speedster for more than one catch all season.

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by Rascal:
Only earlier on in the season. Since then, they have improved substantially. Did you watch the Texans and Rams games?

neither of those teams are in the same tier as the niners

Originally posted by Rascal:
No, I didn't say one hit they will be out for the season. But, they will nevertheless be out for a game or two.

What I said about size is what John Harbaugh has clearly done here. The midget in Seattle doesn't play D-line.

uhhhhh are you saying that a heavier defensive lineman/offensive lineman always beats a lighter opponent? lol, alright

No, I am trying to tell you what John Harbaugh is trying to do with the type of personnel he has selected to build this team on. It is a physical power team. And so far, it has been working. They have blown out countless teams. And if you want to discard the Texans and Rams, they still smoked the Seahawks and Pats. It is what it is.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Niners_D:

...and more...

Both Harbaughs had massive O-lines
Both had one speedster WR (Hollywood and Ginn)

RB Alex Collins crashed his Vette and was arrested for possession of lots of weed and a gun. Aldon Smith was....eh never-mind.

Except this Harbaugh uses his speedster for more than one catch all season.

Can't argue with that.

Originally posted by Rascal:

Well, looks like you have answered your own question. But, John Harbaugh would be right. If you want to play a mobile QB, you have to let them do their thing and not try to mold them into a pocket passer. That is a no no. RG3 couldn't make that switch, nor could Kap for that matter. Jim Harbaugh did the wrong thing, he should have embraced mobile QB play to allow Kap to flourish.

Either way, it has nothing to do with being negative, it is what it is. Don't let emotions get the best of you. Is very simple, Vegas doesn't mess around, they are a money-making machine. Is only Tuesday, they have already upped the line from 49ers +4.5 to +6. And there is a very good reason for that.

I will stand to make a ton of money then

Easy to smoke the Rams. Their QB is the dictionary definition of mediocre.

Good thing our personnel guys didn't listen to those that thought not moving up for Goff would devastate the team for years.

Pats win was impressive though. Baltimore will be a challenge.