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SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS vs BALTIMORE RAVENS - Week 13 PREGAME

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  • LVJay
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Originally posted by Polkadots:
Originally posted by LVJay:
That could very well be some sharps placing big wagers...Vegas set the line right, but monies (sharps / public) moved it.

More public money will come in later, but the early cash is more than likely coming from "wiseguys"

For sure. I certainly want to make a bet, but I don't know how to account for the weather nor what the weather will actually be (I've seen 100% chance of rain result in no rain so ).

LOL yeah f**k the weather man

It's a bit late to place wagers on Ravens because of the line move, but if anyone really thinks its going to be a blow out, then Vegas can't set the line high enough. It very well could be a blowout, but if odds makers really thought that, then the line would've opened higher than 6.

Casinos just want their vig and back n forth betting

I kinda hope its a down pour. Defense and run game is what we do best. Sure, they're number one in rushing but that's mostly because of LJ. When was the last time a one man show beat an elite defense? I don't know the answer to that.
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Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by LVJay:
Who says that? Murray is actually more elusive than willow and Lamar because he's real low to the ground and he's fast af.

I totally underestimated KM. I thought he would be on IR by now. If you give him a decent O line and a defense, he would have the Tards in the playoff hunt AND that's with a rookie HC plus he's just a rookie himself.

DeAngelo Hall.

Dude, I'm want to pay you some monies to pimp slap that fool for me
david Lombardi of the athletic made a good point tonight. Look, if you want to use "49ers defense has trouble with mobile QBs" theory, at least present evidence that actually… shows them having trouble with mobile QBs. That's Kyler Murray, 2H Halloween night. Russell Wilson does not support your case. 49ers handled him very well. Yeah, folks are really black-and-white. If the 49ers aren't racking up more sack yards than a QB has passing yards, people think that the QB is lighting them up, lol . Jackson is a lot faster. Wilson definitely has a more dangerous deep ball. I personally myself think that the niners might have to play more man to man defense and not as much zone because of lamar jackson running ability. I actually like the niners to cover the +4 or +6 and win outright. This game with 2 heavy weights going at it will be fun to watch. With the ravens losing there center is gonna be a huge loss because i like for DJ Jones and buckner and company to step up to the challenge .
[ Edited by Tylerawiseguy on Nov 26, 2019 at 11:07 PM ]
Originally posted by Rascal:
How? We couldn't even stop Kyler Murray. And people call Kyler Murray the poor man version of Lamar Jackson. LOL.

We couldn't stop him?? He passed for like 150 ypg and Warner dropped a pick 6 in AZ. If we couldn't stop him, why'd we win?

The other thing is the cards/ravens run totally different types of offenses. The only team that really gashed us running was AZ and part of that was the air raid. You look at other big rushers: mccaffery with junk time 80 yards, browns had 1 big chunk play, redskins/Rams got the vast majority of their yards on 1st drive, Seahawks didn't do much. Context matters.

I'll just finish by saying it sounds like you're a big Lamar fan, and he has been great. Prob will be mvp. But I don't think this will be the blowout you're predicting
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Originally posted by frenchmov:
Lol, the Seahawks D was rated poorly coming into our game and they dominated our line. Rankings don't matter in the middle of a game, it's not how games are played. "Niners have avg run D and ravens good run D so that means they will run easily". That maybe your "simple math", but there's no such thing as simple math in the nfl.

I'll say it again: Games aren't played on paper. What happened last week means jack s**t. Look at the raiders jets, falcons saints, etc.

Ps

Packers came into snf as the #1 rushing team in the league on runs between C/G. Guess what happened to them on snf? I'll wait

I disagree, in the Seahawks game may be Clowney overperformed while Staley and McGlinchey underperformed. But, you could also boiled that down to a match-up issue. I have said it a million times, the 9ers' O-line is a zone blocking line as opposed to a pass protection line. In other words, while Seahawks' pass rush might not be all that according to the rankings, but when you put them up against the 9er' O-line that's a different story.

Based on your argument, stats are totally meaningless. I can't agree with that, stats illustrate tendency. There is a very good reason the 9ers' Passing D is legit, it is backed up by a lot of factors such as the number of sacks, QB hurries, passing yards/game, etc. Unless you want to argue otherwise.

So, all in all, by and large, you are still essentially what your record says you are.
  • Giedi
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Originally posted by LVJay:
Originally posted by Polkadots:
Originally posted by LVJay:
That could very well be some sharps placing big wagers...Vegas set the line right, but monies (sharps / public) moved it.

More public money will come in later, but the early cash is more than likely coming from "wiseguys"

For sure. I certainly want to make a bet, but I don't know how to account for the weather nor what the weather will actually be (I've seen 100% chance of rain result in no rain so ).

LOL yeah f**k the weather man

It's a bit late to place wagers on Ravens because of the line move, but if anyone really thinks its going to be a blow out, then Vegas can't set the line high enough. It very well could be a blowout, but if odds makers really thought that, then the line would've opened higher than 6.

Casinos just want their vig and back n forth betting

I kinda hope its a down pour. Defense and run game is what we do best. Sure, they're number one in rushing but that's mostly because of LJ. When was the last time a one man show beat an elite defense? I don't know the answer to that.

Baltimore's starting center is out, and a rookie is playing in his place. I can see their dive plays going nowhere, if that rookie can't handle our DT's. The RPO action is useless if the defense doesn't bite on those dive plays, in my opinion. If their inside run game is shut down because their center can't block, I can see Defo, Arik or Bosa nailing Lamar on that RPO play. If we can stop their straight ahead downhill runs and force them to run sideways - I think we got them defensively.

I think offense is where we win the game. If our defense can slow Baltimore down, and our offense moves the ball via the pass and starts scoring points, I don't think Baltimore is built to be a come from behind team.
If you think this niners team will get blown out this weekend then im sorry you are a damn fool! The niners might not win this weekend aginst a great ravens team but it will be a close game. I like the niners to win this weekend.
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Originally posted by Tylerawiseguy:
david Lombardi of the athletic made a good point tonight. Look, if you want to use "49ers defense has trouble with mobile QBs" theory, at least present evidence that actually… shows them having trouble with mobile QBs. That's Kyler Murray, 2H Halloween night. Russell Wilson does not support your case. 49ers handled him very well. Yeah, folks are really black-and-white. If the 49ers aren't racking up more sack yards than a QB has passing yards, people think that the QB is lighting them up, lol . Jackson is a lot faster. Wilson definitely has a more dangerous deep ball. I personally myself think that the niners might have to play more man to man defense and not as much zone because of lamar jackson running ability. I actually like the niners to cover the -4 or -6 and win outright. This game with 2 heavy weights going at it will be fun to watch. With the ravens losing there center is gonna be a huge loss because i like for DJ Jones and buckner and company to step up to the challenge .

BOOM!

Saleh knows they have to play man if they're going to contain LJ... force him to beat us with his arm which I don't think he will do. Their WRs aren't trash, but they aren't great. Our DBs can go toe to toe with them and beat them most times in my imo.

We won't need to blitz so the speedy LBs will be chasing him all over...he can't keep that up for 4 qtrs. Our offense needs to keep LJ on the bench for long periods in the soaking rain
Originally posted by Rascal:
I disagree, in the Seahawks game may be Clowney overperformed while Staley and McGlinchey underperformed. But, you could also boiled that down to a match-up issue. I have said it a million times, the 9ers' O-line is a zone blocking line as opposed to a pass protection line. In other words, while Seahawks' pass rush might not be all that according to the rankings, but when you put them up against the 9er' O-line that's a different story.

Based on your argument, stats are totally meaningless. I can't agree with that, stats illustrate tendency. There is a very good reason the 9ers' Passing D is legit, it is backed up by a lot of factors such as the number of sacks, QB hurries, passing yards/game, etc. Unless you want to argue otherwise.

So, all in all, by and large, you are still essentially what your record says you are.

So... We have the best record in the league but we are going to be blown out by a team with a worse record?
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Originally posted by Tylerawiseguy:
david Lombardi of the athletic made a good point tonight. Look, if you want to use "49ers defense has trouble with mobile QBs" theory, at least present evidence that actually… shows them having trouble with mobile QBs. That's Kyler Murray, 2H Halloween night. Russell Wilson does not support your case. 49ers handled him very well. Yeah, folks are really black-and-white. If the 49ers aren't racking up more sack yards than a QB has passing yards, people think that the QB is lighting them up, lol . Jackson is a lot faster. Wilson definitely has a more dangerous deep ball. I personally myself think that the niners might have to play more man to man defense and not as much zone because of lamar jackson running ability. I actually like the niners to cover the +4 or +6 and win outright. This game with 2 heavy weights going at it will be fun to watch. With the ravens losing there center is gonna be a huge loss because i like for DJ Jones and buckner and company to step up to the challenge .
Agree!
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Originally posted by frenchmov:
Originally posted by Rascal:
I disagree, in the Seahawks game may be Clowney overperformed while Staley and McGlinchey underperformed. But, you could also boiled that down to a match-up issue. I have said it a million times, the 9ers' O-line is a zone blocking line as opposed to a pass protection line. In other words, while Seahawks' pass rush might not be all that according to the rankings, but when you put them up against the 9er' O-line that's a different story.

Based on your argument, stats are totally meaningless. I can't agree with that, stats illustrate tendency. There is a very good reason the 9ers' Passing D is legit, it is backed up by a lot of factors such as the number of sacks, QB hurries, passing yards/game, etc. Unless you want to argue otherwise.

So, all in all, by and large, you are still essentially what your record says you are.

So... We have the best record in the league but we are going to be blown out by a team with a worse record?

I think Rascal forgets that sometimes the best defense is a good offense.
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Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by LVJay:
Originally posted by Polkadots:
Originally posted by LVJay:
That could very well be some sharps placing big wagers...Vegas set the line right, but monies (sharps / public) moved it.

More public money will come in later, but the early cash is more than likely coming from "wiseguys"

For sure. I certainly want to make a bet, but I don't know how to account for the weather nor what the weather will actually be (I've seen 100% chance of rain result in no rain so ).

LOL yeah f**k the weather man

It's a bit late to place wagers on Ravens because of the line move, but if anyone really thinks its going to be a blow out, then Vegas can't set the line high enough. It very well could be a blowout, but if odds makers really thought that, then the line would've opened higher than 6.

Casinos just want their vig and back n forth betting

I kinda hope its a down pour. Defense and run game is what we do best. Sure, they're number one in rushing but that's mostly because of LJ. When was the last time a one man show beat an elite defense? I don't know the answer to that.

Baltimore's starting center is out, and a rookie is playing in his place. I can see their dive plays going nowhere, if that rookie can't handle our DT's. The RPO action is useless if the defense doesn't bite on those dive plays, in my opinion. If their inside run game is shut down because their center can't block, I can see Defo, Arik or Bosa nailing Lamar on that RPO play. If we can stop their straight ahead downhill runs and force them to run sideways - I think we got them defensively.

I think offense is where we win the game. If our defense can slow Baltimore down, and our offense moves the ball via the pass and starts scoring points, I don't think Baltimore is built to be a come from behind team.

YES!

That rook is going to F up at least twice...too bad Vegas didn't have a prop bet on the over/under for that rookie messing up the snap...in the rain, he'll fumble it. He might even (LITERALLY) s**t his pants before halftime (DJ Jones, Buck, AA in his face).
  • Rascal
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Originally posted by frenchmov:
We couldn't stop him?? He passed for like 150 ypg and Warner dropped a pick 6 in AZ. If we couldn't stop him, why'd we win?

The other thing is the cards/ravens run totally different types of offenses. The only team that really gashed us running was AZ and part of that was the air raid. You look at other big rushers: mccaffery with junk time 80 yards, browns had 1 big chunk play, redskins/Rams got the vast majority of their yards on 1st drive, Seahawks didn't do much. Context matters.

I'll just finish by saying it sounds like you're a big Lamar fan, and he has been great. Prob will be mvp. But I don't think this will be the blowout you're predicting

Why are you looking at Murray's 150 yards of passing? Did you also look at his QBR?

Dude, as the supposedly No.1 team in the NFC, we were still trailing behind the Cards with only 39 secs to go before the end of the game. So, you call that stopping Kyler Murray?? Really? LOL.

I am not a Lamar fan, but I call it based on what I see. Plus, you might not agree which is silly, many do see 9ers' D having problems with mobile QBs. So, when you combine those two things together, that presents a major challenge.

I am not predicting a major blowout per se, I believe we will score more than the Texans and Rams, probably around 20 points, but I think the Ravens should be able to score around 35.
If Staley plays were probably screwed. If Brunskill plays we probably win.

Staley literally hasn't played football in like 2 months and is going to get owned.

Brunskill has been a beast every game he's played.

Staley plays it's a blowout loss. Brunskill plays it's 60-40 nines win.
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I think this is the most difficult game for the 49ers of the 3. Running QBs partially nullify our great pash rush, allowing them to generate some offense. More stationary QB like Rodgers and Brees are very vulnerable to our rush. If we lose one out of the 3 games, Baltimore is the team we lose to.
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