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  • Rascal
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Originally posted by frenchmov:
Lol they scored 10 second half points, some of which on Jimmy's bad int. Offense had like 5 yards in the first quarter. The cards got into scoring position passing, not running, early.


Originally posted by frenchmov:
Weird, Kyler had the ball and a 3 point lead with about 3 mins left. How'd we get the ball back? How'd we hold them to 10 points for basically the final 3 quarters?

Really? And who put us in a hole to begin with?

The D couldn't stop jack and Kyler Murray basically just marched down the field at will much like what he did in the first game.

Ask anyone what happened in that game. But, if you want to bend the truth, then that's on you.
jackson will be the first man-sized running QB...should be interesting but I give the edge to our coaching staff to beat harbaugh's. He won't be able to get those passes off against an actual secondary. We'll probably have a spy on him the whole game which is what stopped running QBs the first time.
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Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:
Originally posted by Giedi:
I think Rascal forgets that sometimes the best defense is a good offense.

He also forgot that we just completely shutdown a future HOF QB and a top 5 playoff team in the NFL. Yet, we're still getting blowout by LJ and his Ravens because they blew out the 3rd best team in our division. Lol. Grow some marbles and have some faith in our team. Niners are 10-1 for a reason.

It's got nothing to do with marbles. But, if you want to talk marbles, I would say at least I have enough marbles to face up to the facts and reality.

So, I see a team that could take us down, I call it and all of a sudden I have no marbles?

Wow, so what is the point of having a forum? People can't have different opinions?

Lots of people were worried about the Packers game too and I didn't have a worry in the world. So? You talked up on Aaron Rodgers as HOF QB and top 5 team, etc. I don't agree with it and I was right. I have never been concerned about Rodgers or the Packers ever since Alex Smith took them down. Nothing much or let's say not enough has changed, Rodgers still throw too much and the team is still soft. The Packers weren't even ranked as a top 5 team in the NFL even before that loss nevermind after the loss.
[ Edited by Rascal on Nov 27, 2019 at 12:37 AM ]
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Originally posted by LVJay:
Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by LVJay:
Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by frenchmov:
Originally posted by Rascal:
Why are you looking at Murray's 150 yards of passing? Did you also look at his QBR?

Dude, as the supposedly No.1 team in the NFC, we were still trailing behind the Cards with only 39 secs to go before the end of the game. So, you call that stopping Kyler Murray?? Really? LOL.

I am not a Lamar fan, but I call it based on what I see. Plus, you might not agree which is silly, many do see 9ers' D having problems with mobile QBs. So, when you combine those two things together, that presents a major challenge.

I am not predicting a major blowout per se, I believe we will score more than the Texans and Rams, probably around 20 points, but I think the Ravens should be able to score around 35.

People still look at qbr? Greenbays backup had like an 89 qbr and he threw 4 passes. We were down against az bc Jimmy threw 2 redzone picks, not because of Kyler.

As for problems with mobile QBs... I mean, compared to what we usually do to QBs yeah, but its not like we got demolished by wussle or Kyler. We aren't a perfect D but you are selling our defense short

Are you serious? You sound like as if you didn't even watch the game.

The D didn't win the game for us, Jimmy G had to win that game for us or have you forgotten? Remember the D didn't show up and we couldn't run the ball neither?? You don't have amnesia right? Oh my goodness, before I could even go to the washroom, we were already down 16.

That game was all Jimmy G and media finally gave him the props he deserved.

I hope I just helped you to remember about what happened in that game.

Bruh, JG won that game in the end because he had to redeem his two f**k ups (2 INTs in the RZ)...you watched it

It doesn't matter whether he had to "redeem" himself or not, the dude got the job done at the end of the day and got a W, period!!

AND, let's be clear here, our D couldn't and didn't stop Kyler Murray.

You're funny bruh, go watch the game again

I'm out, gotta get up early, I mess with it tomorrow

I think you really need to rewatch the game.

My God, you could really make sh*t up just to prolong a debate.

What did Sherman say after the game? The dude was thankful Jimmy G and the offense stepped up. He said it was a humbling experience. Or have you forgotten all that? Don't worry, I use facts to back up my argument, please feel free to watch the following clip:

[ Edited by Rascal on Nov 27, 2019 at 12:49 AM ]
Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:
Originally posted by Giedi:
I think Rascal forgets that sometimes the best defense is a good offense.

He also forgot that we just completely shutdown a future HOF QB and a top 5 playoff team in the NFL. Yet, we're still getting blowout by LJ and his Ravens because they blew out the 3rd best team in our division. Lol. Grow some marbles and have some faith in our team. Niners are 10-1 for a reason.

It's got nothing to do with marbles. But, if you want to talk marbles, I would say at least I have enough marbles to face up to the facts and reality.

So, I see a team that could take us down, I call it and all of a sudden I have no marbles?

Wow, so what is the point of having a forum? People can't have different opinions?

Lots of people were worried about the Packers game too and I didn't have a worry in the world. So? You talked up on Aaron Rodgers as HOF QB and top 5 team, etc. I don't agree with it and I was right. I have never been concerned about Rodgers or the Packers ever since Alex Smith took them down. Nothing much or let's say not enough has changed, Rodgers still throw too much and the team is still soft. The Packers weren't even ranked as a top 5 team in the NFL even before that loss nevermind after the loss.

What facts and what reality are you really talking about? In reality, the Niners are 10-1, which is also a fact. The way you're talking makes it seems like the Niners are 1-10 or sub .500. In reality, the Ravens haven't faced a complete team in all 3 phases like the Niners. When we hit on all cylinders, not one team in the NFL could stop us. Since you love telling people to go watch the games, do yourself a favor and go back and watch the annihilation of the Panthers and Packers, those were the games that we hit on all cylinders. I understand the Ravens are a good team, I get that. But so are the Niners. The Niners are not some pushover team dude, that's another fact. Kittle, Sherman and company ain't just gon lay down and have the Ravens step all over them. Go watch the games, you might learn a thing or two about this team's tough mentality.
Originally posted by Rascal:
Why are you looking at Murray's 150 yards of passing? Did you also look at his QBR?

Dude, as the supposedly No.1 team in the NFC, we were still trailing behind the Cards with only 39 secs to go before the end of the game. So, you call that stopping Kyler Murray?? Really? LOL.

I am not a Lamar fan, but I call it based on what I see. Plus, you might not agree which is silly, many do see 9ers' D having problems with mobile QBs. So, when you combine those two things together, that presents a major challenge.

I am not predicting a major blowout per se, I believe we will score more than the Texans and Rams, probably around 20 points, but I think the Ravens should be able to score around 35.

Why not? Isn't that part of measuring how good a QB played in a certain game?

So it's okay for you to use stats that pushes your narrative like the Ravens have the 3rd rank run D, or KM's QBR etc. But it's not okay for people to ask how 150 passing yards is considered not being able to stop KM? I bet if Jimmy G had only 150 yards passing on that game I'm sure you'll be using that stat a lot here this week to help push your narrative. It's a two way street buddy. Niners are legit and are going to give the Ravens a run for their money.
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Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:
Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:
Originally posted by Giedi:
I think Rascal forgets that sometimes the best defense is a good offense.

He also forgot that we just completely shutdown a future HOF QB and a top 5 playoff team in the NFL. Yet, we're still getting blowout by LJ and his Ravens because they blew out the 3rd best team in our division. Lol. Grow some marbles and have some faith in our team. Niners are 10-1 for a reason.

It's got nothing to do with marbles. But, if you want to talk marbles, I would say at least I have enough marbles to face up to the facts and reality.

So, I see a team that could take us down, I call it and all of a sudden I have no marbles?

Wow, so what is the point of having a forum? People can't have different opinions?

Lots of people were worried about the Packers game too and I didn't have a worry in the world. So? You talked up on Aaron Rodgers as HOF QB and top 5 team, etc. I don't agree with it and I was right. I have never been concerned about Rodgers or the Packers ever since Alex Smith took them down. Nothing much or let's say not enough has changed, Rodgers still throw too much and the team is still soft. The Packers weren't even ranked as a top 5 team in the NFL even before that loss nevermind after the loss.

What facts and what reality are you really talking about? In reality, the Niners are 10-1, which is also a fact. The way you're talking makes it seems like the Niners are 1-10 or sub .500. In reality, the Ravens haven't faced a complete team in all 3 phases like the Niners. When we hit on all cylinders, not one team in the NFL could stop us. Since you love telling people to go watch the games, do yourself a favor and go back and watch the annihilation of the Panthers and Packers, those were the games that we hit on all cylinders. I understand the Ravens are a good team, I get that. But so are the Niners. The Niners are not some pushover team dude, that's another fact. Kittle, Sherman and company ain't just gon lay down and have the Ravens step all over them. Go watch the games, you might learn a thing or two about this team's tough mentality.

We deal in facts here. Did you know the Ravens offense has not even punted the ball once in 3 games? When was the last time you came a cross a team which could do that? Oh and in that Rams game, did you know in all of the Ravens' 6 drives, they scored a TD in every single one of them? Talking about efficiency. In other words, we are not talking about hyperbole here.

Do not put words in my mouth, I never made the 9ers seem like they were 1-10, you said that. But, just because you are 10-1, that doesn't mean no team could beat you. Instead, you just get over emotional about it .

And save that whole speech about mental toughness. I have watched the Panthers game no less than 4 times. Again nobody said anything about the 9ers not being mentally tough. But, you are harping on the wrong thing here. Just because you have mental toughness, it doesn't mean you can't get beaten. You are totally missing the point here, is all about match-up.

Is really about time you get into your head that the 9ers D have a problem with mobile QBs or may be most teams do. Lamar Jackson is not only fast, he is not small neither as far as mobile QBs go, he is not running to slide, he wants max yards and to score on you. He is what you call a match-up nightmare.

On top of that, it is not like he can't throw neither. 24 passing TDs 5 INTs to date, that is in fact better than Jimmy G's record although Jimmy has thrown for more yards.

That is my opinion and I have already repeatedly said I could only pray I am wrong. If I am wrong, then fantastic as it would mean we would have beaten them. But, at this very juncture, based on what I've seen to date, I can only fear for the worst.
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Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:
Why not? Isn't that part of measuring how good a QB played in a certain game?

So it's okay for you to use stats that pushes your narrative like the Ravens have the 3rd rank run D, or KM's QBR etc. But it's not okay for people to ask how 150 passing yards is considered not being able to stop KM? I bet if Jimmy G had only 150 yards passing on that game I'm sure you'll be using that stat a lot here this week to help push your narrative. It's a two way street buddy. Niners are legit and are going to give the Ravens a run for their money.

Again, you are harping on the wrong stuff.

Again no one said anything about the 9ers not being legit or not giving the Ravens a run for their money.

I will say it again, it is all about match-up.
I think this thing about our d not being able to defend mobile QB's is a bit of a falacy. They have given up an average of 51 yards on the ground per game vs Murray/Wilson and gave up only 1 rushing td between those 2 in those 3 games.

If I were Saleh, I would be more focused on shutting down Ingram and force Lamar Jackson to throw from the pocket. If he breaks off a couple runs, so be it. We have solid tacklers on our front 7 as well as in our secondary. There will be no madden spinning and juking going on in this game.
In Salehan we trust.
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Originally posted by BigBossBosa97:
I think this thing about our d not being able to defend mobile QB's is a bit of a falacy. They have given up an average of 51 yards on the ground per game vs Murray/Wilson and gave up only 1 rushing td between those 2 in those 3 games.

If I were Saleh, I would be more focused on shutting down Ingram and force Lamar Jackson to throw from the pocket. If he breaks off a couple runs, so be it. We have solid tacklers on our front 7 as well as in our secondary. There will be no madden spinning and juking going on in this game.

Bro, mobile QBs don't just mean run, they can run to pass too. If they are elusive enough, then they can extend play to wait for a play to develop before throwing it. 51 yards on the ground doesn't mean much, but think back to the game on how Kyler Murray was able to march down the field and scored 16 before you could even finish your first beer might be a bit more meaningful huh?

If you let Jackson breaks a couple of runs, you could be talking about TDs already. Did you see how he kept the ball in the pistol and no one even knew he had the ball and he broke one for 35 yards just like that. It was kind of like Kap back in the day. Get this, they had 6 drives against the Rams and they scored a TD in every single one of those drives. This ain't no joke.
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Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:
Originally posted by Giedi:
I think Rascal forgets that sometimes the best defense is a good offense.

He also forgot that we just completely shutdown a future HOF QB and a top 5 playoff team in the NFL. Yet, we're still getting blowout by LJ and his Ravens because they blew out the 3rd best team in our division. Lol. Grow some marbles and have some faith in our team. Niners are 10-1 for a reason.

You are what your record is. And as far as I know, I think our record is 10-1?

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Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:
Originally posted by Giedi:
I think Rascal forgets that sometimes the best defense is a good offense.

He also forgot that we just completely shutdown a future HOF QB and a top 5 playoff team in the NFL. Yet, we're still getting blowout by LJ and his Ravens because they blew out the 3rd best team in our division. Lol. Grow some marbles and have some faith in our team. Niners are 10-1 for a reason.

You are what your record is. And as far as I know, I think our record is 10-1?


Yes, indeed and the record also says we are 19th against the run.
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Originally posted by LVJay:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by LVJay:
Originally posted by Polkadots:
Originally posted by LVJay:
That could very well be some sharps placing big wagers...Vegas set the line right, but monies (sharps / public) moved it.

More public money will come in later, but the early cash is more than likely coming from "wiseguys"

For sure. I certainly want to make a bet, but I don't know how to account for the weather nor what the weather will actually be (I've seen 100% chance of rain result in no rain so ).

LOL yeah f**k the weather man

It's a bit late to place wagers on Ravens because of the line move, but if anyone really thinks its going to be a blow out, then Vegas can't set the line high enough. It very well could be a blowout, but if odds makers really thought that, then the line would've opened higher than 6.

Casinos just want their vig and back n forth betting

I kinda hope its a down pour. Defense and run game is what we do best. Sure, they're number one in rushing but that's mostly because of LJ. When was the last time a one man show beat an elite defense? I don't know the answer to that.

Baltimore's starting center is out, and a rookie is playing in his place. I can see their dive plays going nowhere, if that rookie can't handle our DT's. The RPO action is useless if the defense doesn't bite on those dive plays, in my opinion. If their inside run game is shut down because their center can't block, I can see Defo, Arik or Bosa nailing Lamar on that RPO play. If we can stop their straight ahead downhill runs and force them to run sideways - I think we got them defensively.

I think offense is where we win the game. If our defense can slow Baltimore down, and our offense moves the ball via the pass and starts scoring points, I don't think Baltimore is built to be a come from behind team.

YES!

That rook is going to F up at least twice...too bad Vegas didn't have a prop bet on the over/under for that rookie messing up the snap...in the rain, he'll fumble it. He might even (LITERALLY) s**t his pants before halftime (DJ Jones, Buck, AA in his face).


Lets also not forget that Kyle Shanahan, isn't a chump change coach. He was able to beat Cheat Carroll with Mullens as our 3rd string QB. I'm pretty sure he'll have some surprises for brother Harbaugh. Regarding Statistics, sometimes stats can get inflated by the style of football you play. If your offense is so good and you play great keep away football, the other teams can't generate yardage and hence the defensive rushing and passing statistical totals are low, making you look like a good defense, when in reality, it was your offense that kept the defensive yardage statistics low. I experienced this firsthand with Steve Young and that Seifert Offense. Our defense was trash but it sure looked good from a stat point of view.

I think Baltimore's time of possession is so good, that it's inflated Baltimore's defensive stats a bit. I'm not saying they are a bad defense, but what I am saying is that their time of possession is unreal, and that will create some stat inflation on the defense to seem to make them unbeatable on the run side, when they might not be as unbeatable as you think.
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Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:
Originally posted by Giedi:
I think Rascal forgets that sometimes the best defense is a good offense.

He also forgot that we just completely shutdown a future HOF QB and a top 5 playoff team in the NFL. Yet, we're still getting blowout by LJ and his Ravens because they blew out the 3rd best team in our division. Lol. Grow some marbles and have some faith in our team. Niners are 10-1 for a reason.

You are what your record is. And as far as I know, I think our record is 10-1?


Yes, indeed and the record also says we are 19th against the run.

I don't know why we suck so much against the run - it's going to end up being our bug a boo.
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