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SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS vs BALTIMORE RAVENS - Week 13 PREGAME

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  • Giedi
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Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:
Originally posted by Giedi:
I think Rascal forgets that sometimes the best defense is a good offense.

He also forgot that we just completely shutdown a future HOF QB and a top 5 playoff team in the NFL. Yet, we're still getting blowout by LJ and his Ravens because they blew out the 3rd best team in our division. Lol. Grow some marbles and have some faith in our team. Niners are 10-1 for a reason.

You are what your record is. And as far as I know, I think our record is 10-1?


Yes, indeed and the record also says we are 19th against the run.

...and we're 10 and 1. If I'm ahead by 14+ points in the late third QTR, do I care whether you run or not? Not really, I'd rather you run and bleed time off the clock than pass for chunk yardage and even up that score. So guess what, I'm playing my wide 9 and having my defense go after the QB. Go ahead and run traps, sweeps, and counters - I don't care - as long as you can't gain yardage in the air. It serves my purpose to bleed the clock and put the game away with the pass rush. There's a saying that NCommmand always says when I get into a stat argument with him. He says, "There's lies, damn lies, and statistics."

Look at the Green Bay drive in the 2nd half, they moved the ball on the ground, they scored, but how long did it take them to score?
Originally posted by Rascal:
Yes, indeed and the record also says we are 19th against the run.

I wouldn't get too caught up in that. That just means some games we're #1 against the rush and some we are 32nd. We aren't 19th every game.
Originally posted by Rascal:
Again, you are harping on the wrong stuff.

Again no one said anything about the 9ers not being legit or not giving the Ravens a run for their money.

I will say it again, it is all about match-up.

Originally posted by Rascal:
We deal in facts here. Did you know the Ravens offense has not even punted the ball once in 3 games? When was the last time you came a cross a team which could do that? Oh and in that Rams game, did you know in all of the Ravens' 6 drives, they scored a TD in every single one of them? Talking about efficiency. In other words, we are not talking about hyperbole here.

Do not put words in my mouth, I never made the 9ers seem like they were 1-10, you said that. But, just because you are 10-1, that doesn't mean no team could beat you. Instead, you just get over emotional about it .

And save that whole speech about mental toughness. I have watched the Panthers game no less than 4 times. Again nobody said anything about the 9ers not being mentally tough. But, you are harping on the wrong thing here. Just because you have mental toughness, it doesn't mean you can't get beaten. You are totally missing the point here, is all about match-up.

Is really about time you get into your head that the 9ers D have a problem with mobile QBs or may be most teams do. Lamar Jackson is not only fast, he is not small neither as far as mobile QBs go, he is not running to slide, he wants max yards and to score on you. He is what you call a match-up nightmare.

On top of that, it is not like he can't throw neither. 24 passing TDs 5 INTs to date, that is in fact better than Jimmy G's record although Jimmy has thrown for more yards.

That is my opinion and I have already repeatedly said I could only pray I am wrong. If I am wrong, then fantastic as it would mean we would have beaten them. But, at this very juncture, based on what I've seen to date, I can only fear for the worst.

Just because a team haven't punted in 3 games doesn't mean they're unbeatable. So what if they scored in all first 6 drives. That's awesome, yes it's unheard of. But guess what? The Niners are not the Rams. The Niners defense is way better than that one-man defense the Rams have. You CANNOT use one game to dictate who's better in a matchup. You have to look at the whole body of work throughout the season, and since I watched all of the Niners games and some of the Ravens games due to my brother being a hardcore Ravens fan. I say we matchup pretty well against the mighty Ravens. My brother even admitted that his Ravens haven't faced a complete team like the 49ers. He brags about LJ and his offense but worries a sh!t load about our defense and KS's brilliant play calling on the offensive side of the ball.

You fear for the worst because of the beatdown they gave the Rams, but forget that we put a beatdown on a playoff team with an elite QB the night before.

Our beatdown would've been more worst if KS decided to pass the ball deep into the 4th quarter like the Ravens did. Don't forget that also.

My advice, don't get defeated so easily before the game is played. Have faith and trust that this team is going to put their best foot forward and that's all we can ask for. Like JD said. They still gotta play us too.
Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by BigBossBosa97:
I think this thing about our d not being able to defend mobile QB's is a bit of a falacy. They have given up an average of 51 yards on the ground per game vs Murray/Wilson and gave up only 1 rushing td between those 2 in those 3 games.

If I were Saleh, I would be more focused on shutting down Ingram and force Lamar Jackson to throw from the pocket. If he breaks off a couple runs, so be it. We have solid tacklers on our front 7 as well as in our secondary. There will be no madden spinning and juking going on in this game.

Bro, mobile QBs don't just mean run, they can run to pass too. If they are elusive enough, then they can extend play to wait for a play to develop before throwing it. 51 yards on the ground doesn't mean much, but think back to the game on how Kyler Murray was able to march down the field and scored 16 before you could even finish your first beer might be a bit more meaningful huh?

If you let Jackson breaks a couple of runs, you could be talking about TDs already. Did you see how he kept the ball in the pistol and no one even knew he had the ball and he broke one for 35 yards just like that. It was kind of like Kap back in the day. Get this, they had 6 drives against the Rams and they scored a TD in every single one of those drives. This ain't no joke.

These Rams are not the same as yester year. I think it is time to come face to face with that fact. Their defense is no longer a force. I am also not saying that the Ravens are some push over team. This will be a dog fight until the end. Its just comical that fans (not particularly you) were saying early in the season it was Jimmy G sucks and our defense is carrying this team. Now its Jimmy G may actually be good but our defense sucks because they gave up a few yards on the ground to some mobile QB's.

You talk about it not just being about the yards mobile QB's have gotten with their legs but being able to extend the play and pass the ball from outside of the pocket. What were Murray's passing stats against this d? Sure they were up 16-0 in a blink of an eye and then the d clamped down for most of the game after that. They had already played us once and most likely used scripted plays that they obviously knew they could have success with. The thing with this coaching staff is that they are able to make adjustments on the fly with what seems like every game. Just take the Rams opening drive against us for example. They marched down the field with ease and put up 7 points but that ended up being their only score of the game because we were able to make the adjustment. This coaching staff will have this team ready to play this very stout Ravens team on Sunday. I am not guaranteeing a win but I promise it will not be a blowout.
Originally posted by Rascal:
Kittle in the only exception.

Look at our WR corps, tell me who is big, strong and physical other than Jalen Hurd who is out for the year? Deebo? Errr, may be. Look at the rest. All of them are small, skinny and soft. Sanders, Goodwin, Pettis, etc. One good hit can sort them out in a blink of an eye.

I stand by what I say about the O-line. It is not a pass pro line, it is a line designed to be light and shifty for zone run blocking. Even if Staley gets back, the guy is old. We all saw how Clowney embarrassed the fxxk out of him on Monday Night Football. And how about McGlinchey? The kid gets regularly owned too.

Sanders might not be very big but there is nothing soft about him. Nothing soft about Samuel either so far as I can tell. Bourne has also taken some hellacious hits this year but keeps on playing. If all you're going to do is complain about the players on the team maybe you should take a break for awhile and save yourself some aggravation
Originally posted by mayo49:
I don't know why we suck so much against the run - it's going to end up being our bug a boo.

We don't suck vs the run, we're avg vs it. Teams just game plan to run the ball vs us because we're historically good vs the pass.
Originally posted by Rascal:
Yes, indeed and the record also says we are 19th against the run.

The record also says we are #1 in total defense, #1 in passing D, #2 in pts allowed. Make sure you don't leave those out the next time you wanna use the 19th Run D to push your narrative.
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Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:
Originally posted by Giedi:
I think Rascal forgets that sometimes the best defense is a good offense.

He also forgot that we just completely shutdown a future HOF QB and a top 5 playoff team in the NFL. Yet, we're still getting blowout by LJ and his Ravens because they blew out the 3rd best team in our division. Lol. Grow some marbles and have some faith in our team. Niners are 10-1 for a reason.

You are what your record is. And as far as I know, I think our record is 10-1?


Yes, indeed and the record also says we are 19th against the run.

I don't know why we suck so much against the run - it's going to end up being our bug a boo.

Because we don't have huge run stuffers. Dudes like Buckner and Armstead are better for rushing the passer, they are long but light relatively speaking. Armstead is not even 300. That's why we now play DJ Jones more at nose because the dude is bigger and has power which has helped a lot in stopping the run. And do you know why the Ravens ranks 3rd in Run D? They have huge DTs, from 320s up with the biggest dude being 350. That is their MO, they want to out-physical people.
Originally posted by Rascal:
Yes, indeed and the record also says we are 19th against the run.

And just held GB's RBs to 3.8 YPC on 24 carries. Teams focus on running the ball because we're historically good vs the pass. IMO they held Seattle in check running the ball for most of the game as well (Carson 3.6 YPC) they lost wilson on a 25 yard scramble at the end of OT that pushed up that stat.

I expect SF to adjust a little to Baltimore because their focus will be running. Also DJ Jones is playing some big boy football right now, plus they lost their starting center.
Originally posted by Rascal:
Because we don't have huge run stuffers. Dudes like Buckner and Armstead are better for rushing the passer, they are long but light relatively speaking. Armstead is not even 300. That's why we now play DJ Jones more at nose because the dude is bigger and has power which has helped a lot in stopping the run. And do you know why the Ravens ranks 3rd in Run D? They have huge DTs, from 320s up with the biggest dude being 350. That is their MO, they want to out-physical people.

They play a different scheme which requires different players.

Their DTs are two gapping and we have one gapping penetrating DTs. It's a reason why SF leads the league in TFL and sacks. It's a reason why they're pass D is as good as it is.

I expect we will see more Jones and Taylor this week. Adjustment will be made
  • Chief
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by mayo49:
I don't know why we suck so much against the run - it's going to end up being our bug a boo.

We don't suck vs the run, we're avg vs it. Teams just game plan to run the ball vs us because we're historically good vs the pass.


We're better than average, were actually very good against the run. The stats show differently mainly because of chunk plays (Kyler Murry, Russel Wilson, Drake).
Oh to live in Rascals black and white world, ignoring all shades of gray and complexity.
[ Edited by Stanley on Nov 27, 2019 at 4:22 AM ]
Wide 9 can be hit up on vs the run. It's designed to put pressure on the qb so that's just a trade off you have to occasionally eat. I wouldn't expect us to be playing our normal game here so us being 19th vs the run when we're 1st vs the pass really isn't that big of a concern. This week it's going to be balls in at stopping the run.
[ Edited by tjd808185 on Nov 27, 2019 at 4:26 AM ]
  • Giedi
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Originally posted by Chief:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by mayo49:
I don't know why we suck so much against the run - it's going to end up being our bug a boo.

We don't suck vs the run, we're avg vs it. Teams just game plan to run the ball vs us because we're historically good vs the pass.


We're better than average, were actually very good against the run. The stats show differently mainly because of chunk plays (Kyler Murry, Russel Wilson, Drake).

Agree. And I'll just add, the Wide 9 alignment has inherent flaws against a running attacks. But you can modify the Wide 9 to strengthen it against the run, pretty easy. We use the Wide 9 to get our DT's as well as the DE's involved in pass rushing, because we have some really talented DT's as well as DE's. The reason we use the Wide 9 is because we're typically ahead most of the time in most games, so we key in on stopping the opposing passers with it.
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Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:
Originally posted by Giedi:
I think Rascal forgets that sometimes the best defense is a good offense.

He also forgot that we just completely shutdown a future HOF QB and a top 5 playoff team in the NFL. Yet, we're still getting blowout by LJ and his Ravens because they blew out the 3rd best team in our division. Lol. Grow some marbles and have some faith in our team. Niners are 10-1 for a reason.

You are what your record is. And as far as I know, I think our record is 10-1?


Yes, indeed and the record also says we are 19th against the run.

...and we're 10 and 1. If I'm ahead by 14+ points in the late third QTR, do I care whether you run or not? Not really, I'd rather you run and bleed time off the clock than pass for chunk yardage and even up that score. So guess what, I'm playing my wide 9 and having my defense go after the QB. Go ahead and run traps, sweeps, and counters - I don't care - as long as you can't gain yardage in the air. It serves my purpose to bleed the clock and put the game away with the pass rush. There's a saying that NCommmand always says when I get into a stat argument with him. He says, "There's lies, damn lies, and statistics."

Look at the Green Bay drive in the 2nd half, they moved the ball on the ground, they scored, but how long did it take them to score?

You are assuming you are up by 2 scores. Unfortunately, that hasn't been the case with mobile QBs we have faced. Kyler Murray was marching down the field at will. Boom 16-0 and I haven't even finished my first beer. Do you remember how Jimmy G had to step up to play catch-up when the D couldn't stop Murray and we couldn't run the ball neither? And that was a Cardinals team with a losing record whereas now we are talking about a 9-2 Ravens team that has beaten the Pats, Seahawks, Texans and Rams.
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