SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS vs BALTIMORE RAVENS - Week 13 PREGAME

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:
I love all the analysis regarding how to stop the Ravens. All we really need to know though, is that Bill Bellicheck spent a whole week dissecting Lamar, and STILL couldn't stop him.

Bellicheck had the right idea of trying to blow up the Ravens rushing attack in the backfield, but Greg Roman seemed like he was one step ahead, like he knew what BB would try and do, so he had adjustments.

Watch this video below, and save yourself from trying to over analyze. There's no way to stop the Ravens rushing attack, we just have to keep scoring in a shootout. Luckily, Skura is out...so that will play to our advantage!

.. uhmmm, the week he spent on studying Lamar doesn't make it a SURE THING.. Historically, Baltimore is just one of those teams that had always given the Pats problems even back then..

It may take a while, but just like Kaep, teams will be able to figure him out.. HECK, I think the way to do it is the MICHAEL VICK FORMULA.. Let him be a POCKET PASSER and allow him to beat us w/his arm.

Originally posted by 9moon:
.. uhmmm, the week he spent on studying Lamar doesn't make it a SURE THING.. Historically, Baltimore is just one of those teams that had always given the Pats problems even back then..

It may take a while, but just like Kaep, teams will be able to figure him out.. HECK, I think the way to do it is the MICHAEL VICK FORMULA.. Let him be a POCKET PASSER and allow him to beat us w/his arm.

lol if you're mentioning Vick, you're obviously not paying attention to what Lamar is really doing. The scheme alone that vick ran compared to greg roman and lamar is running is not even in the same universe.

Don't be lazy, watch the video above. It's benchmark chess match vs the greatest coach of all time.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by LVJay:

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Originally posted by LVJay:

Originally posted by Polkadots:

Originally posted by LVJay:
That could very well be some sharps placing big wagers...Vegas set the line right, but monies (sharps / public) moved it.

More public money will come in later, but the early cash is more than likely coming from "wiseguys"

For sure. I certainly want to make a bet, but I don't know how to account for the weather nor what the weather will actually be (I've seen 100% chance of rain result in no rain so ).

LOL yeah f**k the weather man

It's a bit late to place wagers on Ravens because of the line move, but if anyone really thinks its going to be a blow out, then Vegas can't set the line high enough. It very well could be a blowout, but if odds makers really thought that, then the line would've opened higher than 6.

Casinos just want their vig and back n forth betting

I kinda hope its a down pour. Defense and run game is what we do best. Sure, they're number one in rushing but that's mostly because of LJ. When was the last time a one man show beat an elite defense? I don't know the answer to that.

Baltimore's starting center is out, and a rookie is playing in his place. I can see their dive plays going nowhere, if that rookie can't handle our DT's. The RPO action is useless if the defense doesn't bite on those dive plays, in my opinion. If their inside run game is shut down because their center can't block, I can see Defo, Arik or Bosa nailing Lamar on that RPO play. If we can stop their straight ahead downhill runs and force them to run sideways - I think we got them defensively.

I think offense is where we win the game. If our defense can slow Baltimore down, and our offense moves the ball via the pass and starts scoring points, I don't think Baltimore is built to be a come from behind team.

YES!

That rook is going to F up at least twice...too bad Vegas didn't have a prop bet on the over/under for that rookie messing up the snap...in the rain, he'll fumble it. He might even (LITERALLY) s**t his pants before halftime (DJ Jones, Buck, AA in his face).

Lets also not forget that Kyle Shanahan, isn't a chump change coach. He was able to beat Cheat Carroll with Mullens as our 3rd string QB. I'm pretty sure he'll have some surprises for brother Harbaugh. Regarding Statistics, sometimes stats can get inflated by the style of football you play. If your offense is so good and you play great keep away football, the other teams can't generate yardage and hence the defensive rushing and passing statistical totals are low, making you look like a good defense, when in reality, it was your offense that kept the defensive yardage statistics low. I experienced this firsthand with Steve Young and that Seifert Offense. Our defense was trash but it sure looked good from a stat point of view.

I think Baltimore's time of possession is so good, that it's inflated Baltimore's defensive stats a bit. I'm not saying they are a bad defense, but what I am saying is that their time of possession is unreal, and that will create some stat inflation on the defense to seem to make them unbeatable on the run side, when they might not be as unbeatable as you think.

Good points!

I like how the narrative is all about how can the 49ers stop Lamar Jackson and not about how will LJ get past our D...

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:
I love all the analysis regarding how to stop the Ravens. All we really need to know though, is that Bill Bellicheck spent a whole week dissecting Lamar, and STILL couldn't stop him.

Bellicheck had the right idea of trying to blow up the Ravens rushing attack in the backfield, but Greg Roman seemed like he was one step ahead, like he knew what BB would try and do, so he had adjustments.

Watch this video below, and save yourself from trying to over analyze. There's no way to stop the Ravens rushing attack, we just have to keep scoring in a shootout. Luckily, Skura is out...so that will play to our advantage!

We need to do to them what other teams did to Kap in year 3, just have a player hit the QB EVERY TIME they do a read option.

Skura being out isn't going to change much. He's just a center.

Originally posted by tankle104:
Haha if there is a job that someone is consistently wrong at - it's the weather man

That's confirmation bias right there.

Originally posted by JedYork510:

Can we duplicate the strategy LAC used against Baltimore in the playoffs last year?

This is fantastic! I hope everybody watches this one...wish Robert Saleh had Twitter so we could @ him. Haha.

Of note: Tarvarius Moore had 17 snaps last game. Was this a sneak peek tryout in live game action in preparation for this game?

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:
I love all the analysis regarding how to stop the Ravens. All we really need to know though, is that Bill Bellicheck spent a whole week dissecting Lamar, and STILL couldn't stop him.

Bellicheck had the right idea of trying to blow up the Ravens rushing attack in the backfield, but Greg Roman seemed like he was one step ahead, like he knew what BB would try and do, so he had adjustments.

Watch this video below, and save yourself from trying to over analyze. There's no way to stop the Ravens rushing attack, we just have to keep scoring in a shootout. Luckily, Skura is out...so that will play to our advantage!

after the first few drives (which pretty much decided the game) they did shut them down. Total yardage was 372 and Jackson was largely limited.

You are overstating their success, offensively, in this game.

Originally posted by MSteitz468:
We need to do to them what other teams did to Kap in year 3, just have a player hit the QB EVERY TIME they do a read option.

Skura being out isn't going to change much. He's just a center.

I really like the strategy of selling out to hit Lamar, however doing so will mathematically favor the Ravens, as now we're left with 1 less defender against Mark Ingram. It really becomes a pick your poison kind of thing.

Also, it's very shortsighted to write off Skura. Ravens have a very complex, deceptive scheme and the center is a huge piece of the orchestra. Having a backup center play against an elite front four has to be concerning if you're a Ravens fan.

No matter what the scheme is it still comes down to the players and the matchups like almost every game. Usually the team that controls the line of scrimmage will win barring weird plays and penalties. I really think out D line is so dominant now that they can disrupt the timing on the option plays enough to keep them from scoring on every possession. Hold them to 24 or 28 points and I think we have enough offense to beat them.

Originally posted by Rascal:
I disagree, in the Seahawks game may be Clowney overperformed while Staley and McGlinchey underperformed. But, you could also boiled that down to a match-up issue. I have said it a million times, the 9ers' O-line is a zone blocking line as opposed to a pass protection line. In other words, while Seahawks' pass rush might not be all that according to the rankings, but when you put them up against the 9er' O-line that's a different story.

Based on your argument, stats are totally meaningless. I can't agree with that, stats illustrate tendency. There is a very good reason the 9ers' Passing D is legit, it is backed up by a lot of factors such as the number of sacks, QB hurries, passing yards/game, etc. Unless you want to argue otherwise.

So, all in all, by and large, you are still essentially what your record says you are.

That game was a total outlier. Clowney played the best game of his career. He might have like two more of those games in his life.

Originally posted by davide49:
after the first few drives (which pretty much decided the game) they did shut them down. Total yardage was 372 and Jackson was largely limited.

You are overstating their success, offensively, in this game.

How am I overstating? My main point was never about the Ravens blowing out the Patriots.

I'm talking about the chess game. The critical downs that tips the scale between wins and losses. These are two elite teams going at it, and the almighty Bill Bellicheck who everyone knows can take away what teams do best, had no answer when it came down to it.

The patriots defense was good enough to limit the explosion, but in the end Roman was able to out scheme the GOAT.

Originally posted by jvangeystel:

Originally posted by Rascal:
You are assuming you are up by 2 scores. Unfortunately, that hasn't been the case with mobile QBs we have faced. Kyler Murray was marching down the field at will. Boom 16-0 and I haven't even finished my first beer. Do you remember how Jimmy G had to step up to play catch-up when the D couldn't stop Murray and we couldn't run the ball neither? And that was a Cardinals team with a losing record whereas now we are talking about a 9-2 Ravens team that has beaten the Pats, Seahawks, Texans and Rams.

Kyler Murray - 24 of 33 for 150 yards 2tds 4 sacks & 67 rush yds
17 of 24 for 251 yards 2tds 3 sacks & 34 rush yrs

Russel Wilson - 24 of 34 for 232 1 TD 1 Pick 5 sacks and 53 rush yds

So these numbers show Kyler moving the ball at will? These numbers show us completely unable to deal with mobile QBs? We blew out the Packers and Panthers. Beat the Rams handily and were a missed kick from beating the Hawks who is our only loss. You clearly are full of it when your saying these last couple games aren't clouding your judgement. Anybody can exclude certain weeks and make a team look unbeatable but, they have lost twice.

The Ravens will have to choose, sell out to beat our running game and let Jimmy have open passing lanes all day. Or play balanced and allow Shanny to work his scheming magic on their D. You say their D-line is big and scary. Well all the better to run right around them with our outside zones and leave them gasping for air all game long. I have major confidence in Shannys ability to figure out their defense. So to me this game has two realistic outcomes with a whole bunch of fringe possibilities. One they shutdown our rum game and this turns into a shootout that comes down to the 4th quarter. Or both teams are able to play their games and it comes down to the 4th quarter. Either way I trust Jimmy to shut everyone up of we can give him the ball on the last possession.

Yet another poster being over emotional.

I don't know what is wrong with the numbers? All you need to know is this, let me just remind you unless that is you have amnesia, with only 39 secs to go in the game, the 9ers were still behind for cry out loud and that is coming from the supposedly top team in the NFC. Get real here, this was just the Cardinals, a team with a losing record. And now you say it will be a piece of cake to beat a 9-2 Ravens team which has a bigger point differential than even the 9ers? LOL.

Listen, people are being over emotional here. I don't recall anyone on Webzone saying the 9ers would go 16-0 undefeated. However, I do remember a lot of people saying 13-3 and 12-4. So, the losses have to come from somewhere right? Last week, I didn't see people drawing up game plans to beat the Packers and this week I have seen pages of it already, it is that desperate. That pretty much tells you the Ravens is a big problem. To add, not only does Vegas have the 9ers as the underdog from the get-go, my goodness they have even increased the line from 49ers +4.5 to now +6.

Well, I looked at the schedule after the Seahawks loss and I called it at 12-4. The 3 additional losses that I predicted would come from the Ravens, Saints and the Seahawks again. You didn't call for 16-0, did you?? If not, what did you call for and where are your losses coming from then?

Got to hand it to john harbaugh, he is in prime position again to win another Super Bowl. With his dynamic young QB, he is in a great situation to make a run every year kind of like the Patriots have been doing.

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