SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS vs BALTIMORE RAVENS - Week 13 PREGAME

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by jvangeystel:

Originally posted by Rascal:
You are assuming you are up by 2 scores. Unfortunately, that hasn't been the case with mobile QBs we have faced. Kyler Murray was marching down the field at will. Boom 16-0 and I haven't even finished my first beer. Do you remember how Jimmy G had to step up to play catch-up when the D couldn't stop Murray and we couldn't run the ball neither? And that was a Cardinals team with a losing record whereas now we are talking about a 9-2 Ravens team that has beaten the Pats, Seahawks, Texans and Rams.

Kyler Murray - 24 of 33 for 150 yards 2tds 4 sacks & 67 rush yds
17 of 24 for 251 yards 2tds 3 sacks & 34 rush yrs

Russel Wilson - 24 of 34 for 232 1 TD 1 Pick 5 sacks and 53 rush yds

So these numbers show Kyler moving the ball at will? These numbers show us completely unable to deal with mobile QBs? We blew out the Packers and Panthers. Beat the Rams handily and were a missed kick from beating the Hawks who is our only loss. You clearly are full of it when your saying these last couple games aren't clouding your judgement. Anybody can exclude certain weeks and make a team look unbeatable but, they have lost twice.

The Ravens will have to choose, sell out to beat our running game and let Jimmy have open passing lanes all day. Or play balanced and allow Shanny to work his scheming magic on their D. You say their D-line is big and scary. Well all the better to run right around them with our outside zones and leave them gasping for air all game long. I have major confidence in Shannys ability to figure out their defense. So to me this game has two realistic outcomes with a whole bunch of fringe possibilities. One they shutdown our rum game and this turns into a shootout that comes down to the 4th quarter. Or both teams are able to play their games and it comes down to the 4th quarter. Either way I trust Jimmy to shut everyone up of we can give him the ball on the last possession.

Yet another poster being over emotional.

I don't know what is wrong with the numbers? All you need to know is this, let me just remind you unless that is you have amnesia, with only 39 secs to go in the game, the 9ers were still behind for cry out loud and that is coming from the supposedly top team in the NFC. Get real here, this was just the Cardinals, a team with a losing record. And now you say it will be a piece of cake to beat a 9-2 Ravens team which has a bigger point differential than even the 9ers? LOL.

Listen, people are being over emotional here. I don't recall anyone on Webzone saying the 9ers would go 16-0 undefeated. However, I do remember a lot of people saying 13-3 and 12-4. So, the losses have to come from somewhere right? Last week, I didn't see people drawing up game plans to beat the Packers and this week I have seen pages of it already, it is that desperate. That pretty much tells you the Ravens is a big problem. To add, not only does Vegas have the 9ers as the underdog from the get-go, my goodness they have even increased the line from 49ers +4.5 to now +6.

Well, I looked at the schedule after the Seahawks loss and I called it at 12-4. The 3 additional losses that I predicted would come from the Ravens, Saints and the Seahawks again. You didn't call for 16-0, did you?? If not, what did you call for and where are your losses coming from then?

Where did he say this game would be a piece of cake or even that we would win?

Who here doesn't think the Ravens are a problem? This is game I expect to lose, but not for the ridiculous arguments your putting out there. You claim people are being emotional, I claim you ignoring factors that can't be explained by pure numbers and logic.

Guess what, sometimes some teams just have another teams number. Sometimes teams struggle against a certain style. Sometimes teams come out flat after an emotional game. Sometimes rookies make rookie mistakes.

How did Duke lose last night?
How did we lose 40-8 against the Eagles in a super bowl year

Wilson and Murray did next to nothing against us, and you're pretending they destroyed us, probably based on your emotions watching the game.

Stop with the clown logic and self-proclaimed objectivity.

It's going to be LEGENDARY!!!

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:
How am I overstating? My main point was never about the Ravens blowing out the Patriots.

I'm talking about the chess game. The critical downs that tips the scale between wins and losses. These are two elite teams going at it, and the almighty Bill Bellicheck who everyone knows can take away what teams do best, had no answer when it came down to it.

The patriots defense was good enough to limit the explosion, but in the end Roman was able to out scheme the GOAT.

Being held to well below your season average in offensive production is not some strategic slam dunk. You are overstating their success.

Originally posted by Rascal:

Yet another poster being over emotional.

I don't know what is wrong with the numbers? All you need to know is this, let me just remind you unless that is you have amnesia, with only 39 secs to go in the game, the 9ers were still behind for cry out loud and that is coming from the supposedly top team in the NFC. Get real here, this was just the Cardinals, a team with a losing record. And now you say it will be a piece of cake to beat a 9-2 Ravens team which has a bigger point differential than even the 9ers? LOL.

Listen, people are being over emotional here. I don't recall anyone on Webzone saying the 9ers would go 16-0 undefeated. However, I do remember a lot of people saying 13-3 and 12-4. So, the losses have to come from somewhere right? Last week, I didn't see people drawing up game plans to beat the Packers and this week I have seen pages of it already, it is that desperate. That pretty much tells you the Ravens is a big problem. To add, not only does Vegas have the 9ers as the underdog from the get-go, my goodness they have even increased the line from 49ers +4.5 to now +6.

Well, I looked at the schedule after the Seahawks loss and I called it at 12-4. The 3 additional losses that I predicted would come from the Ravens, Saints and the Seahawks again. You didn't call for 16-0, did you?? If not, what did you call for and where are your losses coming from then?

Seems that you are being over emotional? Every time someone brings up a good counter point, your defense is "whoa stop being emotional!"

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:

Originally posted by davide49:
after the first few drives (which pretty much decided the game) they did shut them down. Total yardage was 372 and Jackson was largely limited.

You are overstating their success, offensively, in this game.

How am I overstating? My main point was never about the Ravens blowing out the Patriots.

I'm talking about the chess game. The critical downs that tips the scale between wins and losses. These are two elite teams going at it, and the almighty Bill Bellicheck who everyone knows can take away what teams do best, had no answer when it came down to it.

The patriots defense was good enough to limit the explosion, but in the end Roman was able to out scheme the GOAT.

Lulz Patriots defense is not built like the 49ers. Our dline >>> Patriots. And this will be evident this Sunday. So many pessimistic pennys. I remember one zoner was adamant that the Panthers were going to rip us a new one..he just simply felt the Panthers were the better team. 51 pts later..lulz. On the flip side the majority of the zone was guaranteeing a a blowout win against Seattle (including myself) but nope..s**t happens, things change, "that's why they play the game"

Not saying the 49ers will win, heck even during the offseason most everyone suggested this would be a loss not knowing that much about both teams. And now that we're 10-1 it's guaranteed that we're going to lose because the Ravens are unstoppable.

Gotta have faith brah. I think it's going to be a "rather" low scoring game maybe to the tune of 26-23. Who wins? Can't wait to see :)

Originally posted by NCommand:

Here's a quality breakdown by Crock using the Pat's defense for reference.

Watching the all-22 Ravens offense. Its like watching Auburns offense with a super hero at QB. I thought Patriots game was a good place to start. Pats are coached up extremely well...obviously lol.. and for the most part held Lamar Jackson in check.. as well as you can lol

— CrockTIME (@eric_crocker) November 27, 2019

Crock on his podcast talks about how overall he's not making difficult throws. Dudes are wide open. Like I said earlier about Jackson imo he's not at the level of wilson/Murray at throwing the ball. He's a running QB first and a passing qb second.

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:

Originally posted by davide49:
after the first few drives (which pretty much decided the game) they did shut them down. Total yardage was 372 and Jackson was largely limited.

You are overstating their success, offensively, in this game.

How am I overstating? My main point was never about the Ravens blowing out the Patriots.

I'm talking about the chess game. The critical downs that tips the scale between wins and losses. These are two elite teams going at it, and the almighty Bill Bellicheck who everyone knows can take away what teams do best, had no answer when it came down to it.

The patriots defense was good enough to limit the explosion, but in the end Roman was able to out scheme the GOAT.

It's not the first time he has done that either. Did it in 2012 too. As much as I couldn't stand some of Roman's tendencies when he was here, he was always pretty creative in moving the ball in the run game. I will still never forgive 4 straight fade routes to Crabtree lol.

Originally posted by okdkid:

A slow start by the defense -- like the one they had vs. Arizona -- will kill the Niners.

That's what killed the Patriots. By the time they matched the Ravens speed, the hole was too big.

You could also say a slow start to their offense. Basically 3 & outs to start the game

Imo our offense is better than the Pats

Originally posted by MSteitz468:

We need to do to them what other teams did to Kap in year 3, just have a player hit the QB EVERY TIME they do a read option.

Skura being out isn't going to change much. He's just a center.

Just a center? Dude that's one of the most important positions on offense. Their backup center is gonna need help to stop our DTs , which leaves one on ones on the outside or TE/RB forced to stay in and block.

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:

How am I overstating? My main point was never about the Ravens blowing out the Patriots.

I'm talking about the chess game. The critical downs that tips the scale between wins and losses. These are two elite teams going at it, and the almighty Bill Bellicheck who everyone knows can take away what teams do best, had no answer when it came down to it.

The patriots defense was good enough to limit the explosion, but in the end Roman was able to out scheme the GOAT.

It's only one game. Roman also had 2 weeks to prepare for the NE defense. I'm sure Bellichick will have a scheme for them if they meet in the playoffs. Will it work? We'll see.

For the 49ers, don't let Baltimore march down the field for their first drive. Balts defense thrives on having a lead and not worrying about the opponents rushing offense. They have the least amount of RB carries against them during their win streak.

This game will be like 2012 when we went into Foxborough in December and beat the Patriots

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Here's a quality breakdown by Crock using the Pat's defense for reference.

Watching the all-22 Ravens offense. Its like watching Auburns offense with a super hero at QB. I thought Patriots game was a good place to start. Pats are coached up extremely well...obviously lol.. and for the most part held Lamar Jackson in check.. as well as you can lol

— CrockTIME (@eric_crocker) November 27, 2019

Crock on his podcast talks about how overall he's not making difficult throws. Dudes are wide open. Like I said earlier about Jackson imo he's not at the level of wilson/Murray at throwing the ball. He's a running QB first and a passing qb second.

I can't wait to see this game because we have seen the defense against just about every type of QB you can think of, and Jackson is probably going to be the most unique, and definitely the most athletic.

That said, I think most would agree that Wilson is a better passer and scrambler at this point than LJ.

I would argue Murray is nearly as good at scrambling, but a better passer than LJ.

The Niners D wasn't perfect against either of those guys, but did give them fits, and both of them were visibly flustered at times. I think the D can do the same this week, but they need to tackle well. It's a tall task, but if they can do that and the offense can be efficient, I like our chances.

Originally posted by Rascal:

Yet another poster being over emotional.

I don't know what is wrong with the numbers? All you need to know is this, let me just remind you unless that is you have amnesia, with only 39 secs to go in the game, the 9ers were still behind for cry out loud and that is coming from the supposedly top team in the NFC. Get real here, this was just the Cardinals, a team with a losing record. And now you say it will be a piece of cake to beat a 9-2 Ravens team which has a bigger point differential than even the 9ers? LOL.

Listen, people are being over emotional here. I don't recall anyone on Webzone saying the 9ers would go 16-0 undefeated. However, I do remember a lot of people saying 13-3 and 12-4. So, the losses have to come from somewhere right? Last week, I didn't see people drawing up game plans to beat the Packers and this week I have seen pages of it already, it is that desperate. That pretty much tells you the Ravens is a big problem. To add, not only does Vegas have the 9ers as the underdog from the get-go, my goodness they have even increased the line from 49ers +4.5 to now +6.

Well, I looked at the schedule after the Seahawks loss and I called it at 12-4. The 3 additional losses that I predicted would come from the Ravens, Saints and the Seahawks again. You didn't call for 16-0, did you?? If not, what did you call for and where are your losses coming from then?

Man you just post the same s**t over and over

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Just a center? Dude that's one of the most important positions on offense. Their backup center is gonna need help to stop our DTs , which leaves one on ones on the outside or TE/RB forced to stay in and block.

No, it's one of the least important linemen. Skura was only average as well, I think he was scoring PFF of 63 this year (2 previous years were 53 and 54). It's not gonna be a huge difference.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by MSteitz468:
We need to do to them what other teams did to Kap in year 3, just have a player hit the QB EVERY TIME they do a read option.

Skura being out isn't going to change much. He's just a center.

Just a center? Dude that's one of the most important positions on offense. Their backup center is gonna need help to stop our DTs , which leaves one on ones on the outside or TE/RB forced to stay in and block.

Totally agree. Plus the read option is the bread and butter that makes Lamar so dangerous. Skura played a huge role in letting those plays develop and without him, the Ravens will have their hands full against the Oregon Trees, and now they also have to deal with DJ Jones.

This injury could very well be what tips the scale towards a Niner road win.