week 13 Coaches film pre-game thread

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Thanks JD, as i was just about to PM you and ask if there was a way to stop what up til now has been unstoppable.

So get Bosa, Arik, Solomon to contain edges, then have DTs, win their 1 v1s, and then hope both Fred and Dre beat their guys and then close the bag...is that about it? But if i understood this right, who takes on the 4 or 5 blockers (TEs and RBs)that goes with Lamar?

Well, ideally you'd like those DT's to both take on double teams, so you'll have at least 1 or 2 unblocked guys going after the ball. But if they dont eat up a double they have to win their 1v1 and disrupt the play. They'll put a ton of it on the DT's I believe

https://www.49erswebzone.com/commentary/2221-mission-impossible-strategies-49ers-could-contain-lamar-jackson/

Not a bad read as well. I think the bad rain will take away a lot of the passing game which will hurt us more than the Ravens. JD, what about having a 3 safety look with 1 safety either Ward or Moore dedicated to being a spy on Lamar. I would probly prefer Ward since he's a better tackler and takes better angles.

Also have you checked out any of the Ravens defense? What is most exploitable for them? How can we attack them? Cus it might be one of those games where if we want to win our offense has to match them score for score and just hope we get the ball last

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Thanks JD, as i was just about to PM you and ask if there was a way to stop what up til now has been unstoppable.

So get Bosa, Arik, Solomon to contain edges, then have DTs, win their 1 v1s, and then hope both Fred and Dre beat their guys and then close the bag...is that about it? But if i understood this right, who takes on the 4 or 5 blockers (TEs and RBs)that goes with Lamar?

Well, ideally you'd like those DT's to both take on double teams, so you'll have at least 1 or 2 unblocked guys going after the ball. But if they dont eat up a double they have to win their 1v1 and disrupt the play. They'll put a ton of it on the DT's I believe

Why don't the 49ers just use the same defense Baltimore rolled out in the Superbowl against kaep? Lamar is just this seasons kaep anyway.

Thanks for posting this breakdown Jonny. It'll definitely give me something to key in on when watching the game!

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by SFTifoso:

It's like Belichick said, there's a formula to beat every team, just gotta figure it out and execute.

Which makes what Bill Walsh did with the WCO so impressive. It took practically 2 decades to crack until the Cover 2 D finally slowed it down. Even still its so effective when executed correctly that its been the most common scheme used in football since.

This is where I really wonder (in a hypothetical world) what would've happened if Walsh stayed on and had a chance to counter. I say hypothetically because I do believe he was just too burnt out to keep coaching until the mid to late 90s

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Gonna start this here cause I'm hoping to get a video together by tomorrow of a preview of this week's matchup.

KEYS TO STOPPING THEM:
OVERALL force the game to be played inside the numbers.
1. Contain the edge.
While it sounds elementary, the edges MUST be contained first. That's where their chunk plays come from and how they open up the passing game. By getting interior defenders to be scared of the edge it'll open up the middle of the field for Jackson in the passing game. He struggles throwing with accuracy outside the hash marks, so taking away the middle of the field is paramount. To do that, the edges must be contained in the run game first. That's where Bosa/Armstead/Thomas will be key in our W9. They have the ability to set a hard edge from their DE position and force the Ravens to run up the middle the whole game.
2. The interior DT's MUST eat up double teams or get penetration early.
If the interior can eat up double teams each or defeat their 1v1's we have a chance to limit the Ravens offense. By containing the edge and with condensed sets, the Ravens match up better against us than teams that will generally look spread us out and attack run lanes that way. D.J. Jones, Buckner, J. Taylor and the rest will be a huge factor in this game. If Fred Warner and Greenlaw are tasked with taking on pulling guards all game long it's going to be a rough day. But, if we can force the Ravens to run inside and allow our LB's to be clean, those huge, gaping running lanes will be limited and Jackson will be forced to throw the ball.
...

When offenses put two RBs in the backfield with an inline TE, the 49ers get away from wide9 and go back to their 4-3 under philosophy from the past two seasons of having a 5 man front. I first noticed it in the WAS game. It doesn't happen all that often because not many teams use two RBs with a TE but I think BAL does. Al Shaair will have to be stout handling the TE run blocks.
It's not a 4-3 Under shift since there's a 0t, but the are basically tightening up the interior gaps while still wanting to contain the edges. It's like a Bear 3-4 with Bosa's hand in the dirt. Point is, the 49ers will make some sort of adjustments to their front to combat the bolded.
1st & 10 49ers in base personnel

2nd & 10 49ers in base personnel

This guy does a great job breaking down The ravens offense.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Why don't the 49ers just use the same defense Baltimore rolled out in the Superbowl against kaep? Lamar is just this seasons kaep anyway.

I feel like that will be part of the gameplan this week.

J.Staley was still here when G.Roman was the OC. I'm sure he mentioned or expressed his thoughts to KS on how frustrating it was when the Ravens figured out Roman's gimmick offense followed by the rest of the NFL.

Juice mentioned that KS welcomes players input on opposing teams and players. So maybe.🤞

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Thanks JD, as i was just about to PM you and ask if there was a way to stop what up til now has been unstoppable.

So get Bosa, Arik, Solomon to contain edges, then have DTs, win their 1 v1s, and then hope both Fred and Dre beat their guys and then close the bag...is that about it? But if i understood this right, who takes on the 4 or 5 blockers (TEs and RBs)that goes with Lamar?

Well, ideally you'd like those DT's to both take on double teams, so you'll have at least 1 or 2 unblocked guys going after the ball. But if they dont eat up a double they have to win their 1v1 and disrupt the play. They'll put a ton of it on the DT's I believe

Why don't the 49ers just use the same defense Baltimore rolled out in the Superbowl against kaep? Lamar is just this seasons kaep anyway.

been saying this for weeks

.be

Video form of what I mentioned earlier.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Gonna start this here cause I'm hoping to get a video together by tomorrow of a preview of this week's matchup.

KEYS TO STOPPING THEM:
OVERALL force the game to be played inside the numbers.
1. Contain the edge.
While it sounds elementary, the edges MUST be contained first. That's where their chunk plays come from and how they open up the passing game. By getting interior defenders to be scared of the edge it'll open up the middle of the field for Jackson in the passing game. He struggles throwing with accuracy outside the hash marks, so taking away the middle of the field is paramount. To do that, the edges must be contained in the run game first. That's where Bosa/Armstead/Thomas will be key in our W9. They have the ability to set a hard edge from their DE position and force the Ravens to run up the middle the whole game.
2. The interior DT's MUST eat up double teams or get penetration early.
If the interior can eat up double teams each or defeat their 1v1's we have a chance to limit the Ravens offense. By containing the edge and with condensed sets, the Ravens match up better against us than teams that will generally look spread us out and attack run lanes that way. D.J. Jones, Buckner, J. Taylor and the rest will be a huge factor in this game. If Fred Warner and Greenlaw are tasked with taking on pulling guards all game long it's going to be a rough day. But, if we can force the Ravens to run inside and allow our LB's to be clean, those huge, gaping running lanes will be limited and Jackson will be forced to throw the ball.
...

When offenses put two RBs in the backfield with an inline TE, the 49ers get away from wide9 and go back to their 4-3 under philosophy from the past two seasons of having a 5 man front. I first noticed it in the WAS game. It doesn't happen all that often because not many teams use two RBs with a TE but I think BAL does. Al Shaair will have to be stout handling the TE run blocks.
It's not a 4-3 Under shift since there's a 0t, but the are basically tightening up the interior gaps while still wanting to contain the edges. It's like a Bear 3-4 with Bosa's hand in the dirt. Point is, the 49ers will make some sort of adjustments to their front to combat the bolded.
1st & 10 49ers in base personnel

2nd & 10 49ers in base personnel

They've been a little inconsistent with that though. There were times where they've stayed in W9 against 21 personnel. But, yes, they look to contain the edges FIRST in every priority.

Originally posted by Luckycharms:
https://www.49erswebzone.com/commentary/2221-mission-impossible-strategies-49ers-could-contain-lamar-jackson/

Not a bad read as well. I think the bad rain will take away a lot of the passing game which will hurt us more than the Ravens. JD, what about having a 3 safety look with 1 safety either Ward or Moore dedicated to being a spy on Lamar. I would probly prefer Ward since he's a better tackler and takes better angles.

Also have you checked out any of the Ravens defense? What is most exploitable for them? How can we attack them? Cus it might be one of those games where if we want to win our offense has to match them score for score and just hope we get the ball last

D-line. They're a little soft and aren't great at rushing the passer. That's why they bltiz all the freakin time. Kyle is great at beating the blitz with scheme and so is Jimmy. Might be another ice bag game for Jimmy, a la the Steelers game, but he should be able to exploit their coverage.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

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Video form of what I mentioned earlier.

Nice breakdown JD. Thanks for this. Loved it, makes me feel a little better about this matchup.

Forward to 23:45 to see the strategy i believe we can use to Neutralize LJ....

Originally posted by JedYork510:


This guy does a great job breaking down The ravens offense.

Interesting breakdown.

It is going to be tricky for Saleh to scheme against. Each coverage has a weakness and once Lamar reads the coverage he exploits the weakness and is quick to adapt. Look how he exploited the Pats particularly in cover zero.

Seems to me the key is to disguise what coverage we are using to create maximum confusion for Lamar and keep the pressure on him so he is making quick guesses on what he has to do and make him guess wrong. If that starts to work it may well snowball and dent his confidence. Look how Rogers lost confidence with our effective coverage last weekend.