SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS at BALTIMORE RAVENS - 2019 Game 12

We proved we can beat them and any team, the critics took a bigger loss than the team did!!!

We know we can play with anyone. We just have to figure out how to seal the deal on some of them.

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Formation on the 4th-and-1 right before 49ers called timeout. Garoppolo is under center, but the Ravens have 10 defenders in the box. It looks like essentially full sell-out vs. the run. Shanahan called timeout because he didn't like the look. pic.twitter.com/kHpaRhTvrH

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) December 2, 2019

Then, after the timeout. The 49ers move to the shotgun and face another stacked front, this one not quite as aggressive but still with 10 men at the LOS and a single safety out of the screen. Shanahan's right: Pass is the way to go vs. a wall set up for the run, but shotgun? pic.twitter.com/9uld1SLkts

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) December 2, 2019

I don't necessarily agree. Just because they stacked the box, it didn't automatically mean we couldn't run to get a yard. What I didn't see in this game was the usual misdirections, shifts and motions that we do. If run wasn't the way to go in this situation, then may be people shouldn't have given Pete Carroll such a hard time for calling for Russell Wilson to throw instead of running Lynch at the 1 yard line in that Super Bowl loss? I would have run the ball and got Mostert to dive over the line of scrimmage if needed.

Yeah, this is the importance of knowing the flow of the game. Like Gore or Lynch in the Superbowl, you ride what's working esp. when the defense is on its heal and struggling stopping the run. Kyle seems stubborn around 3 or so topics and this may be one of them.

Originally posted by swayze:

Originally posted by Rascal:
The problem is we are beginning to see a trend here. Shanahan seems to make his mistakes in the most crucial moments of the game. It suggests he is still not fully equipped to handle high pressure situations. Just think about it for a moment, the Falcons Super Bowl loss, the Seattle loss and now the Ravens loss.

Of course, no coach is perfect, but if we are to be successful, these are the kind of mistakes we simply cannot afford to make. In the Seahawks game, he didn't run the clock down and totally wasted a fresh set of downs by calling for 3 consecutive pass plays only burning 25 secs before gift-wrapping the ball back to Russell Wilson. Again, nobody said anything about playing for a tie, we still could have tried to win the game, but within the premise of not losing the game and he lost sight of that. How does that serve us now? It is potentially putting us in a bind with the playoff seeding. A win is a win in the NFL and it is very hard to come by. Let's be clear about this, he made the wrong call. In-game and time management is an absolutely critical component if you want to find success. I don't know what might have happened had we converted that 4th and 1 in this game by running the ball instead, but you got to do what you got to do to put your team in the best situation to be successful. Bear in mind, Mostert was our best performing weapon in this game who ran for 146 yards and you wouldn't call for a run play to convert on a "do-or-die" 1-yard 4th down (especially when it is raining buckets and the ball is as heavy as a brick)?! That is context!! I seriously question whether Shanahan truly knew he HAD to make that play to win the game? May be he has been spoiled by the D in other games. Unfortunately, not with the Ravens, our D couldn't stop Jackson and just hand him back the ball as and when he wanted it. Shanahan should have known by losing possession, there was a very high chance the Ravens would just march down the field to get to field goal range at the very least and totally chew up the clock. And true enough, viola, we lost by a FG.

Bottom line is this, you cannot continuously make bad decisions in the most inopportune moments in a game if you want to be successful. It is really as simple as that.

I think you make these mistakes now and you learn from them so you don't continue to make them. I hate this loss too but I'd rather lose regular season games that matter a little than post season games that matter a lot.

Hopefully our guys learn from this.

Is not our guys, is Kyle Shanahan, our head coach.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by Rascal:
I don't necessarily agree. Just because they stacked the box, it didn't automatically mean we couldn't run to get a yard. What I didn't see in this game was the usual misdirections, shifts and motions that we do. If run wasn't the way to go in this situation, then may be people shouldn't have given Pete Carroll such a hard time for calling for Russell Wilson to throw instead of running Lynch at the 1 yard line in that Super Bowl loss? I would have run the ball and got Mostert to dive over the line of scrimmage if needed.

Not the same situation. Pats had the 4 point lead in that situation, so a TD was absolutely needed for SEA. The game was tied here. Today's play was also not on the goal line with more downs afterwards like SEA had.

No, we needed a 1st down in order to win this game. It was blatantly clear our D wasn't going to be able to give us back the ball. In other games, may be, but not against the Ravens.

Not only that by why give a super talented opponent the chance? There are so many options here for me. So many things the Ravens haven't seen. An QB designed run, a FB toss. Remember you only need 1 yard. I trust our OL as frustrating as they can be to get 1 yard with a skilled game caller/ play designer that Shanny is. I agree with you Rascal, just like in the Seattle game, I'm willing to bet It didn't even occur to Shanny that concerting and scoring on that series IS the game.

The problem is Shanny has shown he has repeatedly made such huge in-game management errors. Bill Belichick has already helped him tons and went through what he did wrong in the Falcons/Pats Super Bowl meltdown, but yet he keeps making them. That suggests to me he panics in big moments. May be he needs an assistant who can jump in on the spot to offer a second opinion if he is making questionable decisions. Don't get me wrong, by an large Shanny is a good coach and a fantastic offensive mind with play designs and playcalling most of the time. Is just in the most critical moments in a game, they seem to get to him from time to time. Unfortunately, those errors also tend to be very costly and you could argue have in fact cost him games. I just had a bit of time of going through the game reviews this morning, quite a few analysts laid into the 9ers or more specifically Shanny for calling that 4th and 1 pass play instead of running the ball. And that was also evident in all the comment sections in all the YouTube clips I've seen. Yea, I think is safe to say Kyle Shanahan definitely screwed up again after the Seahawks loss 3 weeks ago.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Curlin:

Originally posted by Rascal:

I wouldn't call it a dominant performance per se because they couldn't stop our run neither. But, it is true that we couldn't stop Jackson. Tell me, why did we only play the spy on the dive and not Jackson? As a result, the dude is running pretty much 10 yards per play.

While I was very encouraged that we only lost by a FG, but there is no guarantee we could beat them in future especially if the D is not being coached with better schemes to attack Jackson.

Nobody has in a long time. He is the MVP, no doubt because that team would have about 5 wins without him.

Only gave up 20 pts in Baltimore. Team has been avg almost 34 pts per game. Lamar is gonna get his rushing yards but that s**t isn't gonna be a LT thing. He's gonna get hurt playing like that imo. He's simply not a great passer.

I like our chances with Ford/Staley no rain if we play again.

Anyone saying they were "tougher" was completely wrong SF hit them in the mouth.

I think his suspect passing ability is being widely missed by the media, though talking about it would mess up their narrative.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Formation on the 4th-and-1 right before 49ers called timeout. Garoppolo is under center, but the Ravens have 10 defenders in the box. It looks like essentially full sell-out vs. the run. Shanahan called timeout because he didn't like the look. pic.twitter.com/kHpaRhTvrH

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) December 2, 2019

Then, after the timeout. The 49ers move to the shotgun and face another stacked front, this one not quite as aggressive but still with 10 men at the LOS and a single safety out of the screen. Shanahan's right: Pass is the way to go vs. a wall set up for the run, but shotgun? pic.twitter.com/9uld1SLkts

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) December 2, 2019

I don't necessarily agree. Just because they stacked the box, it didn't automatically mean we couldn't run to get a yard. What I didn't see in this game was the usual misdirections, shifts and motions that we do. If run wasn't the way to go in this situation, then may be people shouldn't have given Pete Carroll such a hard time for calling for Russell Wilson to throw instead of running Lynch at the 1 yard line in that Super Bowl loss? I would have run the ball and got Mostert to dive over the line of scrimmage if needed.

Yeah, this is the importance of knowing the flow of the game. Like Gore or Lynch in the Superbowl, you ride what's working esp. when the defense is on its heal and struggling stopping the run. Kyle seems stubborn around 3 or so topics and this may be one of them.

To be honest, I don't even know or think is a stubbornness issue, I think he simply panics. I think he does that in big games and in critical moments. They just get too big for him if you will. He needs someone who can shout into his ear on the spot and offer a second opinion or even just challenge him straight up when he is making questionable decisions.

Originally posted by Kyzen:
We proved we can beat them and any team, the critics took a bigger loss than the team did!!!

There are many doubters including some here. We lost but we proved to the critics that we are a force to be reckoned with. At Ravens by 3 ... some here were expecting a beat down. With a little bit of luck with our play and a few calls ... we would have been discussing an upset win. Proud of the team. If we play the same way, we will beat the Saints

Originally posted by SFTifoso:
SeaChickens could lose their next 2 (Vikings & at rams). Brees is a statue; our Dline gonna feast. Chill out faithful. GO NINERS!!!

I'm happy the Rams got their Mojo back, so they have a shot at beating the Seahawks.

Just no way are the Seahawks a 14-2 team this year. They were 13-3 at their very best, dominating teams week in and week out.

Anyway, if it's all about luck then the Seahawks will go down easy in the playoffs like they have the last few years. But I don't want our team to lose the division because 13-3 wasn't good enough or something.

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:
I don't think they are over-hyped. They have beat some great teams. I do think we are a great team though and can go toe to toe with anyone in this league

Based on what I was hearing and reading about the Ravens pre-game, they were going to easily handle the 49ers and LJ was being touted as a football god who would change the way football is played so in that respect I think they were over-hyped. None of that happened or is true and I'm not afraid of the 49ers meeting them in the SB b/c I think on a neutral field, good weather and everybody healthy, the niners almost surely beat them.

Now, between the Ravens and Saints, pre-game I did think the 49ers were more likely to lose to the Ravens b/c the 49ers had some issues containing mobile qbs but they actually did quite well against LJ and it's not like they haven't had experience with other mobile qbs including Wilson who is a lot better and more experienced than LJ. LJ runs to supplement his lack of skill as a pocket passer but, at 6"2' 212 lbs, he looked small out there and, like several fans have pointed out, will likely get hurt if he keeps tossing himself around like a RB.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Yeah, this is the importance of knowing the flow of the game. Like Gore or Lynch in the Superbowl, you ride what's working esp. when the defense is on its heal and struggling stopping the run. Kyle seems stubborn around 3 or so topics and this may be one of them.

what If he runs it into a wall doesn't get a 1st down we'd all be complaining about why he ran it vs a Baltimore team stacking the box.

It was the proper call just probably not the right pass play.

It was a great defensive play similar to the one vs Seattle (PBU vs Deebo)

The defense held up for most of the game. Offense needed to be better with continuing drives. That missed field goal in a close game was costly.

The fact that it was a low scoring, close game is a testament to a good defense.

These morning shows are a joke. Skip Bayless said this game wasn't as close as it looked. He said if you take away the lucky throw from Jimmy to deebo and heems runs this fame is a blow out. What a joke. If A rod makes the same throw oh he's a genius etc. Etc.etc.
Damn clowns

Originally posted by cali2COniner:

These morning shows are a joke. Skip Bayless said this game wasn't as close as it looked. He said if you take away the lucky throw from Jimmy to deebo and heems runs this fame is a blow out. What a joke. If A rod makes the same throw oh he's a genius etc. Etc.etc.
Damn clowns

We can play the same game. If you take away the Jimmy G fumble that gave the Ravens 7, they scored 13pts. With only 3 in the 2nd half.

Originally posted by cali2COniner:

These morning shows are a joke. Skip Bayless said this game wasn't as close as it looked. He said if you take away the lucky throw from Jimmy to deebo and heems runs this fame is a blow out. What a joke. If A rod makes the same throw oh he's a genius etc. Etc.etc.
Damn clowns

Man those shows are a joke...it's like day time talk shows full of trash.

I could careless what the skips and smiths of the world say...they've proven that they're limited in regards to football knowledge.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by cali2COniner:

These morning shows are a joke. Skip Bayless said this game wasn't as close as it looked. He said if you take away the lucky throw from Jimmy to deebo and heems runs this fame is a blow out. What a joke. If A rod makes the same throw oh he's a genius etc. Etc.etc.
Damn clowns

Man those shows are a joke...it's like day time talk shows full of trash.

I could careless what the skips and smiths of the world say...they've proven that they're limited in regards to football knowledge.

You mean the guy who thought Tebow was gonna be a great QB and the other guy who thinks Dwayne Haskins is nothing but a running QB don't know football?