Free Tim Ryan

Originally posted by Kyzen:
Why do you keep bringing Kap into the conversation?

Kap is a HALF WHITE man, Lamar Jackson is not. Do you not understand that?

Why the f**k is yo trolling ass quoting me? There is a valid reason I brought him up. If you can't comprehend why, after I gave you simple examples, then give it up and move on.

Originally posted by Kyzen:

Originally posted by swaccmac1:
can we just agree that the comment was stupid and leave race out of the equation. the narrative that you mention above is just plain nonsense. by the way, I don't believe that tim ryan is a racist. there are racist black folk and racist white folk all over this country. the comment was stupid. race had nothing to do with it.

Can we agree that the comment was blown way out of proportion and the reaction was too then?
What he said wasn't "stupid". I guess to say it out loud in today's world might have been a stupid idea, but there's validity to the statement and it wasn't said with malice.

in my opinion ... the comment was stupid ... i'll agree with you that it got blown out of proportion ... the guy got suspended one game which in my opinion was the proper punishment and now we can move on and I will gladly listen to tim ryan's commentary when he returns. in my opinion , there was no validity in the statement. I do not believe it was said with malice.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
I missed this. What did he say?

he said lamar is the same color as the football so it helps with the read option

WHAT?? He seriously said that, on the air, live? I like Tm Ryan, but that was bone-headed of him.

Too bad I promised the Mods that I'd stay out of the Parking Lot. This is one that I know I'd spark at least a pages of debate on.

Here is the quote:

"He's really good at that fake, Lamar Jackson, but when you consider his dark skin color with a dark football with a dark uniform, you could not see that thing," Ryan said on air. "I mean, you literally could not see when he was in and out of the mesh point, and if you're a half step slow on him in terms of your vision, forget about it, he's out of the gate."

Originally posted by Niners_D:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
I missed this. What did he say?

he said lamar is the same color as the football so it helps with the read option

WHAT?? He seriously said that, on the air, live? I like Tm Ryan, but that was bone-headed of him.

Too bad I promised the Mods that I'd stay out of the Parking Lot. This is one that I know I'd spark at least a pages of debate on.

Here is the quote:

"He's really good at that fake, Lamar Jackson, but when you consider his dark skin color with a dark football with a dark uniform, you could not see that thing," Ryan said on air. "I mean, you literally could not see when he was in and out of the mesh point, and if you're a half step slow on him in terms of your vision, forget about it, he's out of the gate."

Yeah, that was pretty bone-headed of him.

Originally posted by Niners_D:
Having seen Ryan on TV and heard him on the radio over the years, I haven't noticed anything in his character that would indicate that he had any ill will towards Lamar or any racist intent. I am also willing to give Ryan the benefit of the doubt because he actually played DT in the NFL, so he knows how hard it is to track fake hand-offs, naked bootlegs, etc. Taken out of context the headlines state the color of the skin while he was clearly encompassing all factors specifically the jerseys. Should he have said it? No. While it can be argued that he was factually correct, it is an issue that can and will be taken the wrong way.

The biggest problem I have is when people overly and repeatedly highlight the marginal issues, then it becomes harder to gain sympathy from the masses when real racism raises it's head...issues where people's lives are truly affected. As an example, when I parent my teenager, if I focus on correcting every little issue while lacking in praise, it causes her to want to give up, lie, or sneak things to get her way. When I have some grace and focus only on the key disciplinary issues she is more receptive. On the side of racism, I believe people do throw their hands in the air and give up often because of being called out far too often for issues that are not as significant.

You and I are in total agreement here. It seems the more politically correct we try to be the more divided we get. It's been years since we started this trend of trying not to offend anyone and I haven't seen one bit of social improvement. People that are racist are still racist and maybe even more so. I hear people say it all the time how they're tired of this whole thing. If it was really doing some good then I'd be all for it but I haven't seen where it's made peoples lives better. Statistics show that racism and the political divide is greater than ever.

Originally posted by swaccmac1:

Originally posted by Kyzen:

Originally posted by swaccmac1:

can we just agree that the comment was stupid and leave race out of the equation. the narrative that you mention above is just plain nonsense. by the way, I don't believe that tim ryan is a racist. there are racist black folk and racist white folk all over this country. the comment was stupid. race had nothing to do with it.

Can we agree that the comment was blown way out of proportion and the reaction was too then?
What he said wasn't "stupid". I guess to say it out loud in today's world might have been a stupid idea, but there's validity to the statement and it wasn't said with malice.

in my opinion ... the comment was stupid ... i'll agree with you that it got blown out of proportion ... the guy got suspended one game which in my opinion was the proper punishment and now we can move on and I will gladly listen to tim ryan's commentary when he returns. in my opinion , there was no validity in the statement. I do not believe it was said with malice.

You literally have a black NFL player himself saying he couldn't pick up the ball and you still don't think there's validity to all of the circumstances (not just a similar skin tone to the wet ball at that time and place)? There's film of players totally misreading it. To each his own I guess. You'll see what you want to see.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by swaccmac1:

Originally posted by Kyzen:

Originally posted by swaccmac1:
can we just agree that the comment was stupid and leave race out of the equation. the narrative that you mention above is just plain nonsense. by the way, I don't believe that tim ryan is a racist. there are racist black folk and racist white folk all over this country. the comment was stupid. race had nothing to do with it.

Can we agree that the comment was blown way out of proportion and the reaction was too then?
What he said wasn't "stupid". I guess to say it out loud in today's world might have been a stupid idea, but there's validity to the statement and it wasn't said with malice.

in my opinion ... the comment was stupid ... i'll agree with you that it got blown out of proportion ... the guy got suspended one game which in my opinion was the proper punishment and now we can move on and I will gladly listen to tim ryan's commentary when he returns. in my opinion , there was no validity in the statement. I do not believe it was said with malice.

You literally have a black NFL player himself saying he couldn't pick up the ball and you still don't think there's validity to all of the circumstances (not just a similar skin tone to the wet ball at that time and place)? There's film of players totally misreading it. To each his own I guess. You'll see what you want to see.

I didn't say they couldn't pick up the ball .... I just don't believe it was because of his skin color ... so I guess you have me on that part...

Originally posted by NCommand:
There's film of players totally misreading it.

1. That's, like, how the read/option works.

2. The way you defend the read/option is to maintain your assignment and not be trying to read it anyway, so that's not really an issue.

To anyone who has ever played on the defensive side of the ball before:

Can you honestly say with a straight face that you believe it's harder to force a fumble on a black player than a white player because you can't tell the difference between the ball and their arm?

Anyone who claims that is lying.

It's just a remarkably stupid statement.

Originally posted by swaccmac1:

I didn't say they couldn't pick up the ball .... I just don't believe it was because of his skin color ... so I guess you have me on that part...

Its not because of his skin color alone. It's because of ALL the factors involved (listed) in that game hence why players, commentators, camera crew, former players, fans, coaches, etc. all had a hard time tracking. You're only focusing on one element to that.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by swaccmac1:
I didn't say they couldn't pick up the ball .... I just don't believe it was because of his skin color ... so I guess you have me on that part...

Its not because of his skin color alone. It's because of ALL the factors involved (listed) in that game hence why players, commentators, camera crew, former players, fans, coaches, etc. all had a hard time tracking. You're only focusing on one element to that.

if you leave the skin color part out .... the statement has all the validity in the world

Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:

Originally posted by NCommand:
There's film of players totally misreading it.

1. That's, like, how the read/option works.

2. The way you defend the read/option is to maintain your assignment and not be trying to read it anyway, so that's not really an issue.

To anyone who has ever played on the defensive side of the ball before:

Can you honestly say with a straight face that you believe it's harder to force a fumble on a black player than a white player because you can't tell the difference between the ball and their arm?

Anyone who claims that is lying.

It's just a remarkably stupid statement.

Ultimately he shouldn't have said it. But I get where he's coming from. Don't forget Tim Ryan was watching from up in the booth (probably semi-buzzed off beer), with binoculars, while it's raining with low visibility. So from a visual standpoint, colors can definitely play a factor especially in a game where critical decisions must be made in matter of a split second!

Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:

Originally posted by NCommand:

There's film of players totally misreading it.

1. That's, like, how the read/option works.

2. The way you defend the read/option is to maintain your assignment and not be trying to read it anyway, so that's not really an issue.

To anyone who has ever played on the defensive side of the ball before:

Can you honestly say with a straight face that you believe it's harder to force a fumble on a black player than a white player because you can't tell the difference between the ball and their arm?

Anyone who claims that is lying.

It's just a remarkably stupid statement.

LOL. What? What a terrible example of completely misreading the circumstances.

Originally posted by swaccmac1:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by swaccmac1:

I didn't say they couldn't pick up the ball .... I just don't believe it was because of his skin color ... so I guess you have me on that part...

Its not because of his skin color alone. It's because of ALL the factors involved (listed) in that game hence why players, commentators, camera crew, former players, fans, coaches, etc. all had a hard time tracking. You're only focusing on one element to that.

if you leave the skin color part out .... the statement has all the validity in the world

All together, it's literally, one tone/color. But yes, he definitely shouldn't have pointed out that certain obvious element. LOL

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:

Originally posted by NCommand:
There's film of players totally misreading it.

1. That's, like, how the read/option works.

2. The way you defend the read/option is to maintain your assignment and not be trying to read it anyway, so that's not really an issue.

To anyone who has ever played on the defensive side of the ball before:

Can you honestly say with a straight face that you believe it's harder to force a fumble on a black player than a white player because you can't tell the difference between the ball and their arm?

Anyone who claims that is lying.

It's just a remarkably stupid statement.

LOL. What? What a terrible example of completely misreading the circumstances.

Have you played?

If so when playing did you ever have trouble identifying the ball because of the race of the ball carrier?

Answer honestly.

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by Kyzen:

Why do you keep bringing Kap into the conversation?

Kap is a HALF WHITE man, Lamar Jackson is not. Do you not understand that?

Why the f**k is yo trolling ass quoting me? There is a valid reason I brought him up. If you can't comprehend why, after I gave you simple examples, then give it up and move on.

Lmao, so you can't just answer the question.....

When you have flawed logic it's not easy to give a valid answer I get it Bro.

•Disclaimer• This is in no way an attack on Kap or the poster.