Free Tim Ryan

Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:

Originally posted by NCommand:

There's film of players totally misreading it.

1. That's, like, how the read/option works.

2. The way you defend the read/option is to maintain your assignment and not be trying to read it anyway, so that's not really an issue.

To anyone who has ever played on the defensive side of the ball before:

Can you honestly say with a straight face that you believe it's harder to force a fumble on a black player than a white player because you can't tell the difference between the ball and their arm?

Anyone who claims that is lying.

It's just a remarkably stupid statement.

LOL. What? What a terrible example of completely misreading the circumstances.

Have you played?

If so when playing did you ever have trouble identifying the ball because of the race of the ball carrier?

Answer honestly.

Actually yes...in Seattle. In 40 degrees, down pour, mist in your eyes, wind, dark uniform, dark ball (because it's soaked), dark skin (not always black, just dark) and making a split second decision trying to key in on the ball...f**k yeah it's hard.

How would it not be?

Now, if the player was wearing long white sleeves, no mud, sun, etc...literally, any other circumstances, it's a non issue.

Tim Ryan was just talking about that game...those circumstances. Nothing more.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:

Originally posted by NCommand:
There's film of players totally misreading it.

1. That's, like, how the read/option works.

2. The way you defend the read/option is to maintain your assignment and not be trying to read it anyway, so that's not really an issue.

To anyone who has ever played on the defensive side of the ball before:

Can you honestly say with a straight face that you believe it's harder to force a fumble on a black player than a white player because you can't tell the difference between the ball and their arm?

Anyone who claims that is lying.

It's just a remarkably stupid statement.

LOL. What? What a terrible example of completely misreading the circumstances.

Have you played?

If so when playing did you ever have trouble identifying the ball because of the race of the ball carrier?

Answer honestly.

Actually yes...in Seattle. In 40 degrees, down pour, mist in your eyes, wind, dark uniform, dark ball (because it's soaked), dark skin (not always black, just dark) and making a split second decision trying to key in on the ball...f**k yeah it's hard.

How would it not be?

Now, if the player was wearing long white sleeves, no mud, sun, etc...literally, any other circumstances, it's a non issue.

Tim Ryan was just talking about that game...those circumstances. Nothing more.

Yeah, sorry, but I don't buy that. Not what you're describing, I believe that, but that you were thinking you couldn't figure out where the ball was because of the race of the ball carrier.

I've played DE against option teams in the same circumstances and the race of QB or RB literally never came up or crossed my mind because between plays I was busy thinking about things that were actually problems for actually defending well. Option plays are hard to defend for a lot of reasons, but that ain't one of 'em. I spent 15 years close to the game and I've literally never heard anything like that mentioned before Ryan. I don't think I've ever been in a team room where everyone wouldn't laugh at someone and call them an idiot for making a claim like that.

Re: Tim Ryan I think it's just a stupid thing to say, but I'm pretty indifferent to it beyond it being a dumb thing to say. I think there's some segment of fans who are always itching at the chance to lose their stomachs over stuff like this, and an only somewhat overlapping segment of fans who just like the excuse/explanation for why their favorite team lost. Either way I think arguing that what Ryan said has truth to it is just bizarre wishful thinking.

Just my 2 cents.

A few thoughts. Although, he may be right in that the ball may be harder to see. This wasn't going to go over well, and was a poor decision on his part. Also, if his blackness is so effective at hiding the ball why don't other players put on football colored sleeves and gloves? People are way too uptight about every little thing. I know this wasn't in the game broadcast, but who really listens to the game on radio when you can actually see the game?

Originally posted by pdfortune:
Also, if his blackness is so effective at hiding the ball why don't other players put on football colored sleeves and gloves?

Yepppppppppppp.

Why aren't we talking about Cleveland and all their unfair advantages from their uniform color?

It's just a total load of it, man.

Originally posted by TedJones:
I'm new here but that was one of the stupidest comment I have ever heard on air. Lamar Jackson is very good, to say his success is based off of his skin tone is a stupid comment. That's what he is implying.

Like the guy from espn said. So do white pitchers have an advantage because the ball is white? Smh. He shouldn't be fired or anything but that has to be one of the worst comments I heard on air.

Ok Tim.

Isn't it Tim Ryan's job to provide "color" commentary?

Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:
1. That's, like, how the read/option works.

2. The way you defend the read/option is to maintain your assignment and not be trying to read it anyway, so that's not really an issue.

To anyone who has ever played on the defensive side of the ball before:

Can you honestly say with a straight face that you believe it's harder to force a fumble on a black player than a white player because you can't tell the difference between the ball and their arm?

Anyone who claims that is lying.

It's just a remarkably stupid statement.

Did you know MLB pitchers cannot wear white gloves? They can't because it's harder for the batter to pick up the ball out of his hand.

What is the difference between a white baseball being up against a white glove, and a dark football being up against a dark jersey? It's the exact same premise.

Hell, in the 1950s, the NFL even used white footballs to increase visibility of the ball at night. They got rid of it, in part because the hard to see against white jerseys [http://www.profootballresearchers.org/archives/Website_Files/Coffin_Corner/21-02-792.pdf]:

The white football made an exit from the field of play in 1956, ostensibly because teams wearing white uniforms held an unfair advantage that enabled them to, in effect, camouflage the ball on running plays. Enter the brown pigskin with white stripes on each end. It was employed for 20 years but was also summarily dismissed, in 1976, because of the aforementioned slipperiness of the stripes.

So if we say "a white ball is harder to see against a white glove", that's a basic observation. But if we say a "dark ball is harder to see against dark skin", that's racist? Or stupid? Uh, no, that's common sense.

The only thing remarkably stupid is this borderline-virtue signaling of "hey, I'm so not-racist that my eye can't even perceive contrast!"

Nobody is saying Lamar Jackson is only successful because of this. Tim Ryan is just pointing out that it may be a small, contributing factor in the particular conditions of this game.

EDIT: let me add that it was a stupid thing of him to say, because we live in a PC society and people get upset about everything. But anyone insinuating that he was racist or meant anything derogatory is crazy. Just because it wasn't okay to say on-air doesn't mean it wasn't true.

Originally posted by NCommand:
You literally have a black NFL player himself saying he couldn't pick up the ball and you still don't think there's validity to all of the circumstances (not just a similar skin tone to the wet ball at that time and place)? There's film of players totally misreading it. To each his own I guess. You'll see what you want to see.

Do I think Tim Ryan is a racist? Of course not. Nothing that I've heard from him on the radio would substantiate the claim of racist attached to him. But I called the statement bone-headed because, well, it as. I have to think that he regretted the statement as soon as it came out his mouth. He did not have to say that to make his point.

But what actually gets me more than what Tim Ryan is how many people (most who aren't Black) rush to dismiss things like this as just political correctness. Doing so basically tells a whole group of people how they should perceive something that can rightfully be perceived as offensive, how or why they should be offended, or even that they have no right to be offended at all. They are, in effect, speaking for all of those who could be offended, in this case Black America. Its quite easy for people who have never had their skin color be made the source of all manner of negative existence of their lives in this nation to then turn around and tell them that another non-Black's words aren't offensive at all and that they have no right to be offended.

Just because Tim Ryan isn't a racist don't mean he's incapable of making a fundamentally racist statement. Do I wanna see him off the radio? Of course not. I enjoy his commentary. But he should be held to account.

Was what he said wrong? Probably
Did he mean anything racist about it? I'd say no

Tim Ryan is not racist at all. He's respected by a lot of African American peers and colleagues. He played in the league. He was trying to make a point that I think is valid but he just phrased it wrong. Of course once it gets reported by various media outlets it gets twisted up and overblown for click bait. The 49ers did the right thing and he apologized for it.

Move on.

/thread.

Originally posted by maya0724:
Isn't it Tim Ryan's job to provide "color" commentary?

waka wakaaa!!

Originally posted by NCommand:

Actually yes...in Seattle. In 40 degrees, down pour, mist in your eyes, wind, dark uniform, dark ball (because it's soaked), dark skin (not always black, just dark) and making a split second decision trying to key in on the ball...f**k yeah it's hard.

How would it not be?

Now, if the player was wearing long white sleeves, no mud, sun, etc...literally, any other circumstances, it's a non issue.

Tim Ryan was just talking about that game...those circumstances. Nothing more.

Didn't know you played. Where did you play at?

Originally posted by wailers15:

For those saying the Niners acted quickly so it wouldn't become a bad PR move...... um yeah that worked out real fkn great. All over the major outlets today.m and won't go away watch. Wait til Stephen A gets all riled up today.

Personally IMO doesn't matter what the Niners did it was inevitable it was going to blow up in the media.

So I ask the Niners.... why a suspension? What do you gain from this? The backlash will still come. Do you honestly think that was the high road move because that's the go to card nowadays (quick let's take care of this In-house to save face and diffuse the situation) all while patting themselves on the back hoping it goes away.

Won't fkn go away and we will hear about it all week. And just fkn wait if the Niners and Ravens played in the SB can you imagine the s**tshow this will become? Media and the PC culture are like fkn rabid wolves. I honestly think the suspension was lame and just another let's try and save face move.

That's exactly why the 49ers did it. So THEY won't be implicated in any type of bias so they let TiM eat what he said. Now no one can say that the Yorks condoned the sentiment. That's why they did it. Left Tim stranded on what he said by taking this preemptive measure

Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:

Originally posted by NCommand:

There's film of players totally misreading it.

1. That's, like, how the read/option works.

2. The way you defend the read/option is to maintain your assignment and not be trying to read it anyway, so that's not really an issue.

To anyone who has ever played on the defensive side of the ball before:

Can you honestly say with a straight face that you believe it's harder to force a fumble on a black player than a white player because you can't tell the difference between the ball and their arm?

Anyone who claims that is lying.

It's just a remarkably stupid statement.

LOL. What? What a terrible example of completely misreading the circumstances.

Have you played?

If so when playing did you ever have trouble identifying the ball because of the race of the ball carrier?

Answer honestly.

Actually yes...in Seattle. In 40 degrees, down pour, mist in your eyes, wind, dark uniform, dark ball (because it's soaked), dark skin (not always black, just dark) and making a split second decision trying to key in on the ball...f**k yeah it's hard.

How would it not be?

Now, if the player was wearing long white sleeves, no mud, sun, etc...literally, any other circumstances, it's a non issue.

Tim Ryan was just talking about that game...those circumstances. Nothing more.

Yeah, sorry, but I don't buy that. Not what you're describing, I believe that, but that you were thinking you couldn't figure out where the ball was because of the race of the ball carrier.

I've played DE against option teams in the same circumstances and the race of QB or RB literally never came up or crossed my mind because between plays I was busy thinking about things that were actually problems for actually defending well. Option plays are hard to defend for a lot of reasons, but that ain't one of 'em. I spent 15 years close to the game and I've literally never heard anything like that mentioned before Ryan. I don't think I've ever been in a team room where everyone wouldn't laugh at someone and call them an idiot for making a claim like that.

Re: Tim Ryan I think it's just a stupid thing to say, but I'm pretty indifferent to it beyond it being a dumb thing to say. I think there's some segment of fans who are always itching at the chance to lose their stomachs over stuff like this, and an only somewhat overlapping segment of fans who just like the excuse/explanation for why their favorite team lost. Either way I think arguing that what Ryan said has truth to it is just bizarre wishful thinking.

Just my 2 cents.

All good. Totally respect that POV.

Yeah, IMHO, yes, all the elements "together" here plus the fact that LJ is outstanding at it AND because he's so quick/fast that it speeds up the processing time even further for a defender, one tone certainly could play a factor (I know it did for me which is why I'm posting on it)...given the Keystone cops from the previous film by Oscar, clearly between the bodies flying around and all these one tone elements combined, it had a combined real effect. But honestly, one drop of water on the eyelash at the right time would have the same effect. I know you know that if you've played the game.

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