Free Tim Ryan

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:

I don't get to have an opinion on this because I am a white dude, so not my place to make the call here. I am curious though and I don't really want to dig through the thread guessing as to the legitimacy of opinions. I haven't been able to find amongst my friends of any race anyone who found this comment offensive? Of the black folks here, did this offend you? Do you think it was racism or an over reaction? A coworker who is black said this sort of over reaction , his words not mine, can actually undermine legitimate conversation. Mean while I have some admittedly very liberal white friends who are disgusted by it? It seems to me that it should be up to the potentially offended party to decide?

Didn't offend me because I didn't detect racist intent. However if I did then I'd eat it up because I love hate and envy. I'm used to it. I love when real bigots expose themselves just because it gives me a reason to unleash my inner Ogun on someone. I don't get offended. I get even.

Tim just made a statement that doesn't sit well with his employer eager to save face. As I said earlier I don't know any blacks upset at this. What I am upset at is the assumption that blacks are leftists when in fact most blacks are socially conservative. They've just voted with Democratic Party simply because LBJ signed the Civil Rights act. Prior to that blacks voted GOP. Now we get called the left because of our politics but socially we are anything but in most instances.

Originally posted by TedJones:
I'm new here but that was one of the stupidest comment I have ever heard on air. Lamar Jackson is very good, to say his success is based off of his skin tone is a stupid comment. That's what he is implying.

Like the guy from espn said. So do white pitchers have an advantage because the ball is white? Smh. He shouldn't be fired or anything but that has to be one of the worst comments I heard on air.

I don't watch baseball, but I am curious...how often does the guy at bat try to tackle the pitcher? I mean, when the pitcher is on the mound, it's not supposed to be a secret that he has the ball, right? Or that he is going to throw it towards the plate?

Honestly, that statement is even dumber than what Tim Ryan said.

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Football colored QBs stocks are rising

Originally posted by RDB4216:

Apparently any mention of skin color makes you racist, no matter why you say it - but ONLY if the person saying it is white, and only if it is being said about someone that is not white.

Hmm, nobody seemed to get upset or offended by so many draft prospect sites that only compared Nick Bosa to J.J. Watt....

But truthfully, this is nothing new. I still remember seeing a show on ESPN several years ago. It started talking about the racism and the stigma of "the black quarterback". How the perception was they had to be more athletic, because they could not read defenses as well and things like that. Oh how this was wrong wrong wrong! And then, in the very NEXT segment...they marvel at how well Jason Sehorn was playing at cornerback...because "white guys just aren't supposed to be able to move that fast". Gotta love the double standard!

And for the record, I think the 49ers suspending Ryan for this shows what a weak organization they are. Lost a ton of respect for them over this.

Not what I've seen on Facebook. I can advocate for a black nuclear family and I get shut down for hate speech. My research had found censoring amongst blacks more prevalent than with some white extremists

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by NCommand:

You literally have a black NFL player himself saying he couldn't pick up the ball and you still don't think there's validity to all of the circumstances (not just a similar skin tone to the wet ball at that time and place)? There's film of players totally misreading it. To each his own I guess. You'll see what you want to see.

Do I think Tim Ryan is a racist? Of course not. Nothing that I've heard from him on the radio would substantiate the claim of racist attached to him. But I called the statement bone-headed because, well, it as. I have to think that he regretted the statement as soon as it came out his mouth. He did not have to say that to make his point.

But what actually gets me more than what Tim Ryan is how many people (most who aren't Black) rush to dismiss things like this as just political correctness. Doing so basically tells a whole group of people how they should perceive something that can rightfully be perceived as offensive, how or why they should be offended, or even that they have no right to be offended at all. They are, in effect, speaking for all of those who could be offended, in this case Black America. Its quite easy for people who have never had their skin color be made the source of all manner of negative existence of their lives in this nation to then turn around and tell them that another non-Black's words aren't offensive at all and that they have no right to be offended.

Just because Tim Ryan isn't a racist don't mean he's incapable of making a fundamentally racist statement. Do I wanna see him off the radio? Of course not. I enjoy his commentary. But he should be held to account.

I totally get this. All of this. And it's fair. Like you said, he clearly isn't a racist but probably immediately knew that stating that element of his observation was an instant mistake. And no matter the color, we all just want him to learn from it. A white man just can't go there. Ever. Esp. a public figure.

That said, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say he learned the hard way.

The other side of the responsibility coin here is pulling back those who take this way too far to help avoid the divide. It's probably already become a huge ordeal unfortunately...for all.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:

Originally posted by NCommand:

There's film of players totally misreading it.

1. That's, like, how the read/option works.

2. The way you defend the read/option is to maintain your assignment and not be trying to read it anyway, so that's not really an issue.

To anyone who has ever played on the defensive side of the ball before:

Can you honestly say with a straight face that you believe it's harder to force a fumble on a black player than a white player because you can't tell the difference between the ball and their arm?

Anyone who claims that is lying.

It's just a remarkably stupid statement.

LOL. What? What a terrible example of completely misreading the circumstances.

Have you played?

If so when playing did you ever have trouble identifying the ball because of the race of the ball carrier?

Answer honestly.

Actually yes...in Seattle. In 40 degrees, down pour, mist in your eyes, wind, dark uniform, dark ball (because it's soaked), dark skin (not always black, just dark) and making a split second decision trying to key in on the ball...f**k yeah it's hard.

How would it not be?

Now, if the player was wearing long white sleeves, no mud, sun, etc...literally, any other circumstances, it's a non issue.

Tim Ryan was just talking about that game...those circumstances. Nothing more.

Yeah, sorry, but I don't buy that. Not what you're describing, I believe that, but that you were thinking you couldn't figure out where the ball was because of the race of the ball carrier.

I've played DE against option teams in the same circumstances and the race of QB or RB literally never came up or crossed my mind because between plays I was busy thinking about things that were actually problems for actually defending well. Option plays are hard to defend for a lot of reasons, but that ain't one of 'em. I spent 15 years close to the game and I've literally never heard anything like that mentioned before Ryan. I don't think I've ever been in a team room where everyone wouldn't laugh at someone and call them an idiot for making a claim like that.

Re: Tim Ryan I think it's just a stupid thing to say, but I'm pretty indifferent to it beyond it being a dumb thing to say. I think there's some segment of fans who are always itching at the chance to lose their stomachs over stuff like this, and an only somewhat overlapping segment of fans who just like the excuse/explanation for why their favorite team lost. Either way I think arguing that what Ryan said has truth to it is just bizarre wishful thinking.

Just my 2 cents.

All good. Totally respect that POV.

Yeah, IMHO, yes, all the elements "together" here plus the fact that LJ is outstanding at it AND because he's so quick/fast that it speeds up the processing time even further for a defender, one tone certainly could play a factor (I know it did for me which is why I'm posting on it)...given the Keystone cops from the previous film by Oscar, clearly between the bodies flying around and all these one tone elements combined, it had a combined real effect. But honestly, one drop of water on the eyelash at the right time would have the same effect. I know you know that if you've played the game.

Yep. Fair. Agreed.

My explanation for it is Lamar is likely gonna be MVP and we had two UDFAs who have barely played assigned to keeping outside contain on him.

(Or maybe Harris was a late round pick, I forget, what was happening mostly is Aziz was out of his depth for obvious reasons).

Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:

Yep. Fair. Agreed.

My explanation for it is Lamar is likely gonna be MVP and we had two UDFAs who have barely played assigned to keeping outside contain on him.

(Or maybe Harris was a late round pick, I forget, what was happening mostly is Aziz was out of his depth for obvious reasons).

One thing that gets over looked IMO when national media is down playing the Niners success this year is how the depth of the team has really stepped up and played well when thrown into the fire. I can't imagine how good this team would be if the entire roster was healthy.

Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:

Yep. Fair. Agreed.

My explanation for it is Lamar is likely gonna be MVP and we had two UDFAs who have barely played assigned to keeping outside contain on him.

(Or maybe Harris was a late round pick, I forget, what was happening mostly is Aziz was out of his depth for obvious reasons).

Haha. That's totally true too. DE, LB, S, SCB...but that's certainly true too. CB was probably the only one not fooled but that's because LJ was already 7 yards down field off tackle and the damage had been done. Great, dynamic player.

Originally posted by Kyzen:

One thing that gets over looked IMO when national media is down playing the Niners success this year is how the depth of the team has really stepped up and played well when thrown into the fire. I can't imagine how good this team would be if the entire roster was healthy.

Soooooooo true!

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I actually think Tim Ryan is awful. Judging from this thread, I am surprisingly in the minority.

No you are not, I am with you. I don't forget how he use to defend Baalke and Tomsula those days. He had every excuse to make Baalke look good.

There was nothing racist about this comment. Ppl can be pretty dumb at times.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

There was nothing racist about this comment. Ppl can be pretty dumb at times.

Not even bigoted from my standpoint from what I gathered. Stupid yes but bigoted? I'm not there yet

Originally posted by TedJones:
I'm new here but that was one of the stupidest comment I have ever heard on air. Lamar Jackson is very good, to say his success is based off of his skin tone is a stupid comment. That's what he is implying.

Like the guy from espn said. So do white pitchers have an advantage because the ball is white? Smh. He shouldn't be fired or anything but that has to be one of the worst comments I heard on air.

I do know that " A pitcher shall not wear white or gray exposed undershirt sleeves or any white or gray sleeve that extends below the elbow."

Also are you trying to tackle a pitcher if he has the baseball in his hands?

It was a dumb comment and like usual get's totally blown out of proportion. Let's move on with our lives shall we,Ted?

Sherman has spoken.

"Honestly, I wasn't as outraged as everybody else," Sherman told reporters. "I understand how it can be taken under a certain context, and be offensive to some, but if you're saying, 'Hey, this is a brown ball, they're wearing dark colors, and he has a brown arm,' honestly, sometimes we were having trouble seeing it on film. He's making a play fake and sometimes he's swinging his arm really fast, and you're like, 'OK, did he have the ball on that play?' And then you look up, and (Mark) Ingram was running it."

Originally posted by 190836:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

I actually think Tim Ryan is awful. Judging from this thread, I am surprisingly in the minority.

No you are not, I am with you. I don't forget how he use to defend Baalke and Tomsula those days. He had every excuse to make Baalke look good.

lol the announcers are part of the team. Hes not going to criticize the guys in charge. Thats for the analysts and writers to do.

Hes not a top tier color guy, but he's perfectly fine. He knows the game, has a former players perspective, and is tight with the players on the team. And hes an actual fan. He gets emotionally charged during the broadcast and reflects the fan attitude.