Need to get healthy.
Shanny said that this was the Falcons Super Bowl.
These next two games we gotta treat them like it's OUR superbowl. We need that bye week. We need healthy bodies for that superbowl run.
All gas no brakes.
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Dec 16, 2019 at 11:51 AM
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Dec 16, 2019 at 11:56 AM
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Originally posted by HERN:
Need to get healthy.
Shanny said that this was the Falcons Super Bowl.
These next two games we gotta treat them like it's OUR superbowl. We need that bye week. We need healthy bodies for that superbowl run.
All gas no brakes.
All gas no brakes.
Dec 16, 2019 at 12:05 PM
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Rams will be a dog fight due to injuries.
We need that bye week more than any team in the league. It's ours for the taking but the next two games will be ultimately won on coaching.
We need that bye week more than any team in the league. It's ours for the taking but the next two games will be ultimately won on coaching.
Dec 16, 2019 at 12:10 PM
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Originally posted by thl408:I couldn't NinerTalk yesterday. Knew it would be aggravating reading about the loss. In a nutshell, this game is on the offense imo. ATL defense is not good and they lost their best CB. There were multiple dropbacks where Jimmy couldn't or wouldn't pull the trigger. Deebo and Sanders couldn't get open? Jimmy suddenly got gun shy? I'm very curious what he was seeing on those plays.
I was at the game up in the nose bleeds section 409, from what I saw our Wide outs failed to get separation most of the game, plus our Online didn't do Jimmy a ton of favors. Kittle was the only guy getting consistently open. There was maybe a few tight windows Jimmy could have tried to thread the needle with, but as you said he didn't pull the trigger
Dec 16, 2019 at 12:11 PM
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Originally posted by NCommand:
No excuses. Period. If you want to be a deep playoff team you not only take care of business, you take care of business at home. Yesterday I saw one team playing their ass off with 2 players destroying our IOL and secondary and that alone was enough to win. Saleh was exposed. Depth is exposed. Inability to run or stop them when we needed. Seattle took care of their business away. No excuses. This is playoff football.
Now, on to the Rams...a matchup that's not looking so hot either.
Time out.
Don't compare ATL to Carolina. ATL just curb stomped them a week prior. It took Seattle all of 60 mins to squeak out a victory vs Kyle Allen and a make believe coaching staff. That's not "taking care of business" IMO. IF SF tackles Julio Jones 5 inches to the left, would you call that "taking care of business?" IMO I would not. They didn't play their best ball yesterday. They were down a million starters and it showed. Depth exposed after 15 guys on IR and numerous injuries lol. No team is gonna look amazing with that going on. NO ONE.
There's nothing I hate more (and I consider it a lazy take) then when someone says "no excuses" Calling out plays that actually happened and explaining on things that were missed, is NOT and excuse. It's the reality of the game. Things like a missed XP, dropped INTs, or one fumble can cost a team a win AND that's what happened.
And yes on to the Rams. Who are clearly banged up as well.
Dec 16, 2019 at 12:24 PM
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Originally posted by SteveYoung8:
Yep, but it shouldn't have come down to the Kittle drop. KS allowed the Falcons to hang around all game and we know what happens too many times in those situations and it happened again yesterday. I haven't seen a 49er HC since Walsh and maybe Seifert who had the killer instinct to put teams away early the way they did. JH was infamous for being perfectly content with over-relying on Fangio's defense and eeking out squeakers week in and week out. KS also seems to utilize a "play not to lose" philosophy but that is not going to work long term and going to lead to more stress and aggravation for the players and CS. Once they dump Pettis, Goodwin and Taylor(?) I would hope they go out and solidify their WR core because a TE should not be the #1 WR on a team. At 32 y/o I'm not sure Sanders has enough left in the tank to be a consistent #1 and I think he lacks the size as well. JH's lack of experience also plays a role although I was pleased to seem him start evading pressure better and throwing the ball away. One thing I noticed yesterday is that even though J. Jones is past his prime his huge size allows him to play up, over and around smaller DBs who look like dwarfs next to him.
SF is 3rd in the NFL in point differential at +161 Only the Ravens and NE are higher. So no they're not really throwing out squeakers. Most of the time that's when they lose.
Sanders has helped improve this passing game a ton, I have no idea what you're watching. Go look at the stats after he came in... Everyone had a poor day yesterday. I'd love to see the all-22 because either Jimmy G wasn't letting it go or no one was getting open. That's on the WRs and Shanny then.
If you think it's all about size then why isn't Jordan Matthews balling out? Dudes like Diggs &DJ Moore are top 10 in yards this yr as well. Jones is a freak of nature. He's an amazing route runner and super fast for 6-3 225. Guys like him don't come around every yr. He's also got a great QB throwing him the ball all day long.
Dec 16, 2019 at 12:28 PM
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I am rewatching 49ers. First observation: Ben Garland is a very, very capable run blocker. He was great on that 21-play drive. So athletic sprinting into space; knew his role. It was clear Shanahan was playing to those strengths with such a methodical approach on that drive...
— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) December 16, 2019
The key is identifying what went wrong for the 49ers in general in drop-back pass protection. I'm not ready to put that on Garland or any specific O-linemen. Seemed they were all beaten at some point yesterday. Unit-wide malaise. That may all come back to timing/communication
— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) December 16, 2019
Dec 16, 2019 at 12:32 PM
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Originally posted by NYniner85:Originally posted by NCommand:No excuses. Period. If you want to be a deep playoff team you not only take care of business, you take care of business at home. Yesterday I saw one team playing their ass off with 2 players destroying our IOL and secondary and that alone was enough to win. Saleh was exposed. Depth is exposed. Inability to run or stop them when we needed. Seattle took care of their business away. No excuses. This is playoff football.
Now, on to the Rams...a matchup that's not looking so hot either.
Time out.
Don't compare ATL to Carolina. ATL just curb stomped them a week prior. It took Seattle all of 60 mins to squeak out a victory vs Kyle Allen and a make believe coaching staff. That's not "taking care of business" IMO. IF SF tackles Julio Jones 5 inches to the left, would you call that "taking care of business?" IMO I would not. They didn't play their best ball yesterday. They were down a million starters and it showed. Depth exposed after 15 guys on IR and numerous injuries lol. No team is gonna look amazing with that going on. NO ONE.
There's nothing I hate more (and I consider it a lazy take) then when someone says "no excuses" Calling out plays that actually happened and explaining on things that were missed, is NOT and excuse. It's the reality of the game. Things like a missed XP, dropped INTs, or one fumble can cost a team a win AND that's what happened.
And yes on to the Rams. Who are clearly banged up as well.
I agree 85! Let's not forget this Atlanta team beat the living hell out of the Saints in the Superdome. We were out what half of our defense and anyone of those players would've easily helped us win. Sherman especially, Ford especially. Carolinas quarterback gift wrapped the win for them. Atlanta is a much better team and they be a lot of our back ups. They were pretty banged up on defense but then again they didn't have all pro defense of players out like we did. Anyways as long as we take care of the next two games we're good. We just need to be relatively healthy come playoff time.
These injuries are ridiculous. I'm sick of people saying every team has injuries, will guess what??? they don't have the quality of players injured that we do. When you're missing Sherman you lose to Atlanta, when you're missing George Kittle you lose to the Seahawks, these are humongous injuries because these are the best players at their positions. For once we need to have a relatively healthy team or we are not going to win the Super Bowl
Dec 16, 2019 at 12:34 PM
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Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by SFTifoso:
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Originally posted by SFTifoso:
Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Originally posted by HONEYBADGER:
Because anyone with a rational mind knows beating Seattle at home is a bad prospect.
If we had won, we'd be one game up on Seattle.
Guess what? We'd STILL have to win Week 17. Otherwise Seattle would have the tiebreaker.
Because we lost, we are now tied with Seattle.
Which means... you guessed it! STILL have to win Week 17!
Things COULD change if we lose to the Rams and Seattle beats the Cardinals and a bunch of other things happen. But it's likely, either way, that we are in a position where we have to win Week 17 to win the division. This was true before, during and after today's game, regardless of if we had stopped Jones at the 1-yard line or allowed him to score the game-winning TD.
Kyle threw this game. He's playing the long game. He ran a pre-season offense; like he doesn't want to put anything on film unless absolutely necessary. Rested guys that could've played too. I'm sure he thought he could've won, but this game literally means nothing. We STILL have to beat Seattle at the end. IF Seattle had lost to Carolina we might've seen a different playbook.
Now the next 2 games are a must win. I hope having their backs against the wall ups the level of play/coaching.
I know tin foil hat theory, but we've seen Belichick throw a game before to eliminate certain opponents from the playoffs.
Finally someone gets it! Great post.
Vanilla offense and defense. Single coverage vs Julio all game was a dead giveaway. Kyle picks and chooses who to open up the playbook against. Getting tie breakers over the packers and saints was important, so we saw all the bells and whistles. I'm not saying he's right, it's just a pattern I've noticed this season. This guy obsessively selfs scouts and wants to break all his tendencies.
I bet his thinking was if we can beat the falcons with a vanilla game plan, great. If we lose it literally changes nothing. With Seattle beating Carolina we HAVE to win the last 2 games. This game was pretty meaningless actually. If by showing less of our playbook on film means we beat Seattle I'll hold this L no problem.
Yep agreed. Obviously he didn't lose on purpose (need that disclaimer for some lol), but I saw the same thing. No adjustments whatsoever. Players not having that normal level of effort. Looked just like a preseason game to me.
What purpose would it serve to play the game like a preseason game?
Rest injured players. Not give any additional film for future opponents.
Dec 16, 2019 at 12:35 PM
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Originally posted by NYniner85:Originally posted by NCommand:No excuses. Period. If you want to be a deep playoff team you not only take care of business, you take care of business at home. Yesterday I saw one team playing their ass off with 2 players destroying our IOL and secondary and that alone was enough to win. Saleh was exposed. Depth is exposed. Inability to run or stop them when we needed. Seattle took care of their business away. No excuses. This is playoff football.
Now, on to the Rams...a matchup that's not looking so hot either.
Time out.
Don't compare ATL to Carolina. ATL just curb stomped them a week prior. It took Seattle all of 60 mins to squeak out a victory vs Kyle Allen and a make believe coaching staff. That's not "taking care of business" IMO. IF SF tackles Julio Jones 5 inches to the left, would you call that "taking care of business?" IMO I would not. They didn't play their best ball yesterday. They were down a million starters and it showed. Depth exposed after 15 guys on IR and numerous injuries lol. No team is gonna look amazing with that going on. NO ONE.
There's nothing I hate more (and I consider it a lazy take) then when someone says "no excuses" Calling out plays that actually happened and explaining on things that were missed, is NOT and excuse. It's the reality of the game. Things like a missed XP, dropped INTs, or one fumble can cost a team a win AND that's what happened.
And yes on to the Rams. Who are clearly banged up as well.
When you're the better team, there's no excuses. See our previous Superbowl loss. We can come up with every tiny single excuse but in the end, at home, in December, you beat inferior teams IF you want to be a contender. You learn how to close out those games. There's no excuse FOR THIS ONE and every coach and player agrees with this, hence their anger afterwards.
[ Edited by NCommand on Dec 16, 2019 at 12:41 PM ]
Dec 16, 2019 at 12:40 PM
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call me crazy but it may be in our best interest to try something maybe never done before.
were in the playoffs now for sure. we dont have to win anymore to get there. with the current state of our injuries and how we played yesterday i find it more and more unlikely we go into seattle week 17 an get a W, and next weeks rams game is going to be tougher than it shoud be. without those 2 wins we get no first rd bye. highly doube we get lucky an AZ beats seattle. so whether we wanna face it or not were gonna be playing wild card weekend and have to make it through all rounds if we want to progress.
our players need a break. were beat up and hobbling on every side of the ball. repeated injuries have done more damage to us this season than any other team has and wev been battling this injury curse all season long and looking at it, were fine in the W-L dept, its the injuries that is our real opponent thats hurting us.
REST ALL KEY STARTERS for the rest of the regular season. yes rams and seahawks are teams capable of beating even our starters right now so resting our guys could almost certainly sign us up for two more losses putting us at 11-5. but what do we need more right now, another win or two, or 3 weeks off for our beat up team. we could have guys heal up all the way january 4th and come back fresh an ready to roll through the NFC playoffs. think of how much 3 weeks of just rest and conditioning could do for this team. sherman 100% ford 100% kwaun williams 100% all RBs and WRs 100%. tartt is not 100% then close.
yes i know its not guaranteed but our team needs rest an recovery more than it needs wins right now. be smart, play the long game. are we going for a SB here or are we gonna throw together two half ass performances by a deteriorating defense to try an get that first round bye that we more than likely wont get. and lose MORE starters to injury trying to do so, in turn screwing ourselves in the long term. i know its totally unorthodox and they probably wont do it. but were in a unique situation here with needing recovery more than we need more wins.
were in the playoffs now for sure. we dont have to win anymore to get there. with the current state of our injuries and how we played yesterday i find it more and more unlikely we go into seattle week 17 an get a W, and next weeks rams game is going to be tougher than it shoud be. without those 2 wins we get no first rd bye. highly doube we get lucky an AZ beats seattle. so whether we wanna face it or not were gonna be playing wild card weekend and have to make it through all rounds if we want to progress.
our players need a break. were beat up and hobbling on every side of the ball. repeated injuries have done more damage to us this season than any other team has and wev been battling this injury curse all season long and looking at it, were fine in the W-L dept, its the injuries that is our real opponent thats hurting us.
REST ALL KEY STARTERS for the rest of the regular season. yes rams and seahawks are teams capable of beating even our starters right now so resting our guys could almost certainly sign us up for two more losses putting us at 11-5. but what do we need more right now, another win or two, or 3 weeks off for our beat up team. we could have guys heal up all the way january 4th and come back fresh an ready to roll through the NFC playoffs. think of how much 3 weeks of just rest and conditioning could do for this team. sherman 100% ford 100% kwaun williams 100% all RBs and WRs 100%. tartt is not 100% then close.
yes i know its not guaranteed but our team needs rest an recovery more than it needs wins right now. be smart, play the long game. are we going for a SB here or are we gonna throw together two half ass performances by a deteriorating defense to try an get that first round bye that we more than likely wont get. and lose MORE starters to injury trying to do so, in turn screwing ourselves in the long term. i know its totally unorthodox and they probably wont do it. but were in a unique situation here with needing recovery more than we need more wins.
Dec 16, 2019 at 12:41 PM
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Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by socalfan21:
I'm curious to see who is going to be healthy enough to play Saturday... if we still have the same guys out, I don't know if the 49ers pull off the win
I'm hoping at least KW is back.
I think E-man and Spoon can hold up without Sherman when not playing against Julio Jones but I don't trust DJ Reed at all right now. I could totally be short changing him out of frustration but from what I recall the only pass he broke up yesterday was the pick Fred Warner would've had.
With a pass rush i believe they can hold up but without one they could be in trouble versus Woods and Kupp
Dec 16, 2019 at 12:44 PM
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Originally posted by NinerGM:Originally posted by thl408:I couldn't NinerTalk yesterday. Knew it would be aggravating reading about the loss. In a nutshell, this game is on the offense imo. ATL defense is not good and they lost their best CB. There were multiple dropbacks where Jimmy couldn't or wouldn't pull the trigger. Deebo and Sanders couldn't get open? Jimmy suddenly got gun shy? I'm very curious what he was seeing on those plays.
thl you've pointed out in the film stuff and I think JD has also; when Jimmy doesn't have a consistent pocket, he's less likely to make the risky throw. Jimmy was getting hit on almost every drop back - it wasn't just he sacks. I think as a QB that gets to you, especially timing as you pointed out. He doesn't need long, but the OL needs to give him a second or a 1/2 second more. And it needs to be cleaner.
I wonder how many times he was moved off his spot. He saved so many hits and sacks. I don't know how many of those were because he was gunshy though.
Dec 16, 2019 at 12:44 PM
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Originally posted by elguapo:
I agree 85! Let's not forget this Atlanta team beat the living hell out of the Saints in the Superdome. We were out what half of our defense and anyone of those players would've easily helped us win. Sherman especially, Ford especially. Carolinas quarterback gift wrapped the win for them. Atlanta is a much better team and they be a lot of our back ups. They were pretty banged up on defense but then again they didn't have all pro defense of players out like we did. Anyways as long as we take care of the next two games we're good. We just need to be relatively healthy come playoff time.
These injuries are ridiculous. I'm sick of people saying every team has injuries, will guess what??? they don't have the quality of players injured that we do. When you're missing Sherman you lose to Atlanta, when you're missing George Kittle you lose to the Seahawks, these are humongous injuries because these are the best players at their positions. For once we need to have a relatively healthy team or we are not going to win the Super Bowl
Yup, it's just the reality of the NFL. Dude's get hurt and the talent level goes down at some point. Our depth has been counted upon more than you'd like and for the most part has played well. FWIW I'm not hating on NC or anything...just saying it's not an excuse at all.
The falcons have a quality offense and our defense full of backups held them to 17 pts with 1:48 to go in the 4th QR. I do think Kyle could have gotten more creative to get some points on the board (like vs the saints) towards the end of the game. That fumble at the end of the 3rd was a backbreaker. They would have at least gotten 3 there.
I really think Kyle was trying to just get the W vs ATL without throwing out a bunch of plays for people to see on film. We tried to get a W AND give our injured guys more time to heal. Didn't work out BUT end of the day SF was always gonna have to win these last two games.
I'll take an L if it means we get guys like Sherm/Tarrt/K Williams and others back vs LA and Seattle. These is when we need them.
Dec 16, 2019 at 12:45 PM
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Originally posted by NCommand:When you're the better team, there's no excuses. See our previous Superbowl loss. We can come up with every tiny single excuse but in the end, at home, in December, you beat inferior teams IF you want to be a contender. You learn how to close out those games. There's no excuse FOR THIS ONE.
Trap games happen all the time. I think you are way overthinking this loss to the Falcons. Our past super bowl winning teams would lay an egg a game a season and get blown out. At least this game came down to the last second. We didn't show up and played with no urgency coming off that huge Saints W. It took a last second TD from a team playing like it was their super bowl to barely win this game by 1. Oh, and the ball was inches away from not crossing the line and it being a Niner victory. I am not concerned about this Niner team at all.