SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS at SEATTLE SEAHAWKS - 2019 Game 16

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:

Originally posted by Bellaleo:

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:

Thank Mayo for saying he hates a legend and calling him a villain

Anyone who hates on any 49er legend on this site should be banned for life. I'm a Montana guy but a legend is a legend

probably fake fans tbh

Originally posted by RabidNiner:

How the hell is this thread still alive, after becoming a Montana/Young whiner fest?

i'm ready to move on to kap vs smith

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

What it means is that he largely disappointed in the playoffs save for one year...ie he underperformed most of the time in the playoffs and made costly, costly mistakes against the Cowboys and Packers. He needed one more Super Bowl win and my feelings about him would be more positive. Still grateful for getting us an additional SB but still fell short overall.

And I dont care about this one of the most accurate passers of all time and running qb crap. I care about Super Bowls. Period. He needed more of that all time accuracy in the playoffs instead of tbrowing costly picks and turnovers.

Joe had 3 picks in the 81 nfc title game.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

What it means is that he largely disappointed in the playoffs save for one year...ie he underperformed most of the time in the playoffs and made costly, costly mistakes against the Cowboys and Packers. He needed one more Super Bowl win and my feelings about him would be more positive. Still grateful for getting us an additional SB but still fell short overall.

And I dont care about this one of the most accurate passers of all time and running qb crap. I care about Super Bowls. Period. He needed more of that all time accuracy in the playoffs instead of tbrowing costly picks and turnovers.

Joe had 3 picks in the 81 nfc title game.

Bu ezekial's logic, trent dilfer is a super bowl legend.

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

What it means is that he largely disappointed in the playoffs save for one year...ie he underperformed most of the time in the playoffs and made costly, costly mistakes against the Cowboys and Packers. He needed one more Super Bowl win and my feelings about him would be more positive. Still grateful for getting us an additional SB but still fell short overall.

And I dont care about this one of the most accurate passers of all time and running qb crap. I care about Super Bowls. Period. He needed more of that all time accuracy in the playoffs instead of tbrowing costly picks and turnovers.

Joe had 3 picks in the 81 nfc title game.

Bu ezekial's logic, trent dilfer is a super bowl legend.

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

What it means is that he largely disappointed in the playoffs save for one year...ie he underperformed most of the time in the playoffs and made costly, costly mistakes against the Cowboys and Packers. He needed one more Super Bowl win and my feelings about him would be more positive. Still grateful for getting us an additional SB but still fell short overall.

And I dont care about this one of the most accurate passers of all time and running qb crap. I care about Super Bowls. Period. He needed more of that all time accuracy in the playoffs instead of tbrowing costly picks and turnovers.

Joe had 3 picks in the 81 nfc title game.

Bu ezekial's logic, trent dilfer is a super bowl legend.

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

What it means is that he largely disappointed in the playoffs save for one year...ie he underperformed most of the time in the playoffs and made costly, costly mistakes against the Cowboys and Packers. He needed one more Super Bowl win and my feelings about him would be more positive. Still grateful for getting us an additional SB but still fell short overall.

And I dont care about this one of the most accurate passers of all time and running qb crap. I care about Super Bowls. Period. He needed more of that all time accuracy in the playoffs instead of tbrowing costly picks and turnovers.

Joe had 3 picks in the 81 nfc title game.

Bu ezekial's logic, trent dilfer is a super bowl legend.

So the only important stat period is superbowl wins?
Ok, so by that logic Brad Johnson is on the same level as Steve Young and Aaron Rogers. He far surpasses Dan Marino. And Eli Manning is better than them all.

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

I dont blame Young for feeling the way he did when Walsh brought him in. I think it's silly that 49ers fans hate on the guy.

Awesome video. Never seen it.

Shame on the fans who s**t on Steve Young. He was the ultimate team player, and I'm thankful for everything he did for this franchise.

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

What it means is that he largely disappointed in the playoffs save for one year...ie he underperformed most of the time in the playoffs and made costly, costly mistakes against the Cowboys and Packers. He needed one more Super Bowl win and my feelings about him would be more positive. Still grateful for getting us an additional SB but still fell short overall.

And I dont care about this one of the most accurate passers of all time and running qb crap. I care about Super Bowls. Period. He needed more of that all time accuracy in the playoffs instead of tbrowing costly picks and turnovers.

Joe had 3 picks in the 81 nfc title game.

Bu ezekial's logic, trent dilfer is a super bowl legend.

Yeah no offense to Ez, but what a garbage take.

I don't follow, Joe was fubar but it wasn't going to make him a veggie like it was going to make e'steve if he kept getting his bell run.

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
What it means is that he largely disappointed in the playoffs save for one year...ie he underperformed most of the time in the playoffs and made costly, costly mistakes against the Cowboys and Packers. He needed one more Super Bowl win and my feelings about him would be more positive. Still grateful for getting us an additional SB but still fell short overall.

And I dont care about this one of the most accurate passers of all time and running qb crap. I care about Super Bowls. Period. He needed more of that all time accuracy in the playoffs instead of tbrowing costly picks and turnovers.

Joe had 3 picks in the 81 nfc title game.

Bu ezekial's logic, trent dilfer is a super bowl legend.

That's what I'm picking up.

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
What it means is that he largely disappointed in the playoffs save for one year...ie he underperformed most of the time in the playoffs and made costly, costly mistakes against the Cowboys and Packers. He needed one more Super Bowl win and my feelings about him would be more positive. Still grateful for getting us an additional SB but still fell short overall.

And I dont care about this one of the most accurate passers of all time and running qb crap. I care about Super Bowls. Period. He needed more of that all time accuracy in the playoffs instead of tbrowing costly picks and turnovers.

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Joe had 3 picks in the 81 nfc title game.

Bu ezekial's logic, trent dilfer is a super bowl legend.

Yeah no offense to Ez, but what a garbage take.

Joe had 3 picks and won the game still with his arm. That was his first playoff run. Joe also had 11 TDs and 0 INTs in four SBs.

This is not a Joe vs Young argument. Young could not hold Joe's jockstrap.

It's not just about winning the SB....Trent Dilfer was a below average QB carried to a SB win by a defense. It's that Young UNDERPERFORMED in the postseason relative to the stellar regular seasons he was pumping out and made costly errors contributing to losses in playoff games that ended our season.
Young was great. But too bad he wasn't great far too often when he needed to be great....in postseason games. Too many scars during the 90s for 1 SB to take away. Young won that SB. He obv isn't Dilfer. Dilfer was trash. Young was a hall of famer....sadly one who more often than not made costly mistakes in the playoffs.

We can go year by year in the 90s and evaluate his performances in the postseason games where our season was ended time and time again. Let's watch those Dallas and GB games. THat one in 1992 Young was the weak link and if he played like in the regular season we are winning that game and the SB.

I have a love hate relationship with Young...could easily have seven Lombardis if he performed in the postseason like he did in the regular season. It's alright though....not everyone can be Joe Montana. Problem was, Steve Young was Joe Montana in the regular season and couldnt reproduce that in the postseason. So he was just a huge tease. It's because Steve was so great in the regular season that I am still so disappointed in the 1990s for only winning 1 SB when we could have had a couple more if he was equally as great when it mattered and seasons were on the line.

If Steve was only just a "good" qb in the regular season I would have far less criticism of his mistakes in the postseason. "Good" qbs are going to have bad games and make errors at times when going against the other elite teams you face in the playoffs. But Steve played like a great qb in the regular season...so great that if he matches that greatness in the postseason we win two or three SBs in the 1990s. But he didn't. Go back and watch the games start to finish.

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by Jaci:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by cciowa:

montana would have won those games vs the cowboys. he never s**t down his leg in big games. bono. in our system on our team would have thrived in my opinion. aside from joe the guys we had to went to kc did nothing. you are wrong about lott. he proved he could still play and we lost a huge leader which does not show up in quik stats, terrible mistake. we lost the 90 game because we kept craig to long

Montana was old at that point, and Dallas was in dynasty mode. You cant just assume he would've beaten them. Young threw for 600 yds with 2 passing and 2 rushing TD's in those games. The Cowboys were just better.

Lott had one good year after he left SF.

Craig might have fumbled in 1990, but we lost a home title game on 5 field goals. We didn't allow a TD and still lost. Thats on everyone.

Way to leave out Young's TWO fu**ing INTs in 1992 and one INT in 1993 against Dallas in the playoffs. Those were fu**ing costly and he did the same sh** against Favre's Packers. Biased much? Without 1994 Young is a complete failure. Glad he was able to get it done once so he can still be fondly remembered.

Only one year did he come through for us. Montana came through four times and would not have thrown those picks against Dallas. We win two of those three games vs the Cowboys even with an aging Montana.

I'm a fan of Young but would never buy his jersey because of too many eff ups in the playoffs...just a huge tease in the regular season being all world only to not come up big when it counted save for one year.

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Not sure about that- He is one of the most accurate passers of all time and one of the pioneers of modern running QB play.

Also to say 'without the 94 season' is ridiculous. Obviously that plays a huge part of his legacy. I hate when people try to make that argument- if you don't count this, this, and this, then he sucks. Its nonsensical to try to manipulate things to fit your argument by removing important facts.

What it means is that he largely disappointed in the playoffs save for one year...ie he underperformed most of the time in the playoffs and made costly, costly mistakes against the Cowboys and Packers. He needed one more Super Bowl win and my feelings about him would be more positive. Still grateful for getting us an additional SB but still fell short overall.

And I dont care about this one of the most accurate passers of all time and running qb crap. I care about Super Bowls. Period. He needed more of that all time accuracy in the playoffs instead of tbrowing costly picks and turnovers.

What a garbage take

Imagine calling someone choker because they didn't beat the Packers at Lambeau with broken ribs and you being the only running game

Or the defending champion Packers again without Jerry Rice and a broken Garrison Hearst in the pouring rain

Or how about Hearst destroying his leg on the very first play from scrimmage

Unreal

Might as well call Montana a choker for getting wrecked by the Giants in 85 & 86 and absolutely s**tting the bed with arguably the greatest 49ers team of all time against a Vikings team that barely made the playoffs

This. This right here, Ez. You can't say well, why didn't he win after doing so well in the regular season if you refuse to acknowledge how things changed during the course of the year.
It's the same thing this year 'Why isn't your d-line playing as well? They must just suck at the end of the year!'No actually, 100 injuries will do that.

Montana is better than Young. That's a no brainer IMO. That is not what I'm arguing. But how you are painting him is not accurate at all.

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by Jaci:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by cciowa:

montana would have won those games vs the cowboys. he never s**t down his leg in big games. bono. in our system on our team would have thrived in my opinion. aside from joe the guys we had to went to kc did nothing. you are wrong about lott. he proved he could still play and we lost a huge leader which does not show up in quik stats, terrible mistake. we lost the 90 game because we kept craig to long

Montana was old at that point, and Dallas was in dynasty mode. You cant just assume he would've beaten them. Young threw for 600 yds with 2 passing and 2 rushing TD's in those games. The Cowboys were just better.

Lott had one good year after he left SF.

Craig might have fumbled in 1990, but we lost a home title game on 5 field goals. We didn't allow a TD and still lost. Thats on everyone.

Way to leave out Young's TWO fu**ing INTs in 1992 and one INT in 1993 against Dallas in the playoffs. Those were fu**ing costly and he did the same sh** against Favre's Packers. Biased much? Without 1994 Young is a complete failure. Glad he was able to get it done once so he can still be fondly remembered.

Only one year did he come through for us. Montana came through four times and would not have thrown those picks against Dallas. We win two of those three games vs the Cowboys even with an aging Montana.

I'm a fan of Young but would never buy his jersey because of too many eff ups in the playoffs...just a huge tease in the regular season being all world only to not come up big when it counted save for one year.

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Not sure about that- He is one of the most accurate passers of all time and one of the pioneers of modern running QB play.

Also to say 'without the 94 season' is ridiculous. Obviously that plays a huge part of his legacy. I hate when people try to make that argument- if you don't count this, this, and this, then he sucks. Its nonsensical to try to manipulate things to fit your argument by removing important facts.

What it means is that he largely disappointed in the playoffs save for one year...ie he underperformed most of the time in the playoffs and made costly, costly mistakes against the Cowboys and Packers. He needed one more Super Bowl win and my feelings about him would be more positive. Still grateful for getting us an additional SB but still fell short overall.

And I dont care about this one of the most accurate passers of all time and running qb crap. I care about Super Bowls. Period. He needed more of that all time accuracy in the playoffs instead of tbrowing costly picks and turnovers.

What a garbage take

Imagine calling someone choker because they didn't beat the Packers at Lambeau with broken ribs and you being the only running game

Or the defending champion Packers again without Jerry Rice and a broken Garrison Hearst in the pouring rain

Or how about Hearst destroying his leg on the very first play from scrimmage

Unreal

Might as well call Montana a choker for getting wrecked by the Giants in 85 & 86 and absolutely s**tting the bed with arguably the greatest 49ers team of all time against a Vikings team that barely made the playoffs

This. This right here, Ez. You can't say well, why didn't he win after doing so well in the regular season if you refuse to acknowledge how things changed during the course of the year.
It's the same thing this year 'Why isn't your d-line playing as well? They must just suck at the end of the year!'No actually, 100 injuries will do that.

Montana is better than Young. That's a no brainer IMO. That is not what I'm arguing. But how you are painting him is not accurate at all.

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

I dont blame Young for feeling the way he did when Walsh brought him in. I think it's silly that 49ers fans hate on the guy.

Awesome video. Never seen it.

Shame on the fans who s**t on Steve Young. He was the ultimate team player, and I'm thankful for everything he did for this franchise.

The entire AFL episode this clip is taken from is pretty good, as it is narrated by Steve. I entirely believe he thought he was going to be the starter when he was brought in.

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

What it means is that he largely disappointed in the playoffs save for one year...ie he underperformed most of the time in the playoffs and made costly, costly mistakes against the Cowboys and Packers. He needed one more Super Bowl win and my feelings about him would be more positive. Still grateful for getting us an additional SB but still fell short overall.

And I dont care about this one of the most accurate passers of all time and running qb crap. I care about Super Bowls. Period. He needed more of that all time accuracy in the playoffs instead of tbrowing costly picks and turnovers.

Joe had 3 picks in the 81 nfc title game.

Bu ezekial's logic, trent dilfer is a super bowl legend.

He is.

He's a legendary terrible qb that won a super bowl.