Was going through the Tomsula/Kelly years the best for us?

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

He didn't hand pick Kap. He was on the roster and Alex Smith was sucking. So he went with what we had. Which was very limited for both guys. He would do way better with Garoppolo. He never had talent anywhere near that at QB when he was our coach. He had to hide the QB and try to win. It's tough to win like that.

Orgeron was garbage until this year. Losing every big game he was ever in. Now this year he has a very unique QB who makes it go for him. Wait until that QB leaves for the NFL. It won't be the same for him at all. He won't go undefeated anymore or to the Championship. His QB is carrying him and making him look good.

Um yes he handpicked Kap. That was his draft pick. He was telling his father weeks before the 2011 draft Kap was his guy.

A qb carrying a coach and making him look better than he is? Sounds more like Andrew Luck.

Orgeron is 11-3 vs the top 10.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
He didn't hand pick Kap. He was on the roster and Alex Smith was sucking. So he went with what we had. Which was very limited for both guys. He would do way better with Garoppolo. He never had talent anywhere near that at QB when he was our coach. He had to hide the QB and try to win. It's tough to win like that.

Orgeron was garbage until this year. Losing every big game he was ever in. Now this year he has a very unique QB who makes it go for him. Wait until that QB leaves for the NFL. It won't be the same for him at all. He won't go undefeated anymore or to the Championship. His QB is carrying him and making him look good.

No man, that is just crazy.

Baalke hated Kap.

Harbaugh saw kap and and said this is the guy who will bring college offense to the NFL.

He specifically dumped our game managing qb who just took us deep into playoffs for this one-read half field 4.5 sprinter.

A disastrous strategic franchise-changing decision.

It got exposed once teams figured out kap was a complete pocket passing noob with the klutsiest pocket awareness since obese sonny jurgenson.

Stop the fake news please. You were there with all of us and saw it go down so you know what actually happened.

Bull. He didn't love Kap. He had freakin Alex Smith on the roster and was smart enough to recognize you can't win with that. He had to make do with what he had. And he had Kap. So that was another option. For a while it worked out and quite frankly may have worked if Justin Smith and Aldon Smith both weren't hurt going into the Super Bowl. It's a big reason we could not stop them. Our 2 best guys were hurt at the wrong time.

He never had any Jimmy G available to him. Somebody who can throw a real accurate ball from the pocket consistently. And who can make all the throws. That was not on his roster at all in any capacity. So he did the most with what he had.

It's absolutely incredible to make multiple NFC Championship games and the Super Bowl with Alex Smith and Kaepernick. That's playing with a major handicap. You guys act like that's bad somehow. He had a garbage pile at the most important position in the game and still was able to succeed with that. It's amazing and incredible. If he had a functional NFL level QB he could win the Super Bowl. Also Justin Smith and Aldon Smith both having been badly hurt deep in the season and Super Bowl was devastating. We may have won with just that. If we had the normal pass rush of healthy guys.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Bull. He didn't love Kap. He had freakin Alex Smith on the roster and was smart enough to recognize you can't win with that. He had to make do with what he had. And he had Kap.

This is such an awful argument. It was widely reported at the time and after that Kaepernick was Harbaugh's guy and that Baalke preferred Dalton. Harbaugh worked Kaepernick out personally up in Reno and met with him multiple times in the pre-draft process so I don't know why you're acting like Harbaugh showed up and Kaepernick was just there or somehow forced on him. That was his handpicked quarterback all the way.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Bull. He didn't love Kap. He had freakin Alex Smith on the roster and was smart enough to recognize you can't win with that. He had to make do with what he had. And he had Kap.

This is such an awful argument. It was widely reported at the time and after that Kaepernick was Harbaugh's guy and that Baalke preferred Dalton. Harbaugh worked Kaepernick out personally up in Reno and met with him multiple times in the pre-draft process so I don't know why you're acting like Harbaugh showed up and Kaepernick was just there or somehow forced on him. That was his handpicked quarterback all the way.

The GM makes the picks. Not the head coach. Dalton is garbage too. There was no great QB available to him on the roster. The reason they were looking at QB's is Alex Smith was on the roster. They knew they had to improve that. He didn't have a good situation there. If he had Peyton Manning on the roster they would not have been looking at QB's. That's not exactly what he had though.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

The GM makes the picks. Not the head coach. Dalton is garbage too. There was no great QB available to him on the roster. The reason they were looking at QB's is Alex Smith was on the roster. They knew they had to improve that. He didn't have a good situation there. If he had Peyton Manning on the roster they would not have been looking at QB's. That's not exactly what he had though.

Kaepernick was Harbaugh's guy all the way. Anyone who was around here at that time knows this. Baalke was a massive dick but he still let his brand new QB guru HC have his pick at quarterback and it ended up being Kaepernick.



Not sure why you're pushing this revisionist nonsense when the facts are pretty clear. Locally and nationwide it was reported that Harbaughs guy 100% was Kaepernick. Even his own dad said as much.

Apparently coach Jim Harbaugh already thought the team was getting great value and couldn't wait any longer. Harbaugh's father, Jack, shared the following anecdote Friday night on NFL Network's The Coaches Show.

"Great story," began Jack Harbaugh. "After the first day of the draft, (I) called Jim, and I said, 'Jim, who's the quarterback you're gonna take in the second round?' Promised I wouldn't say anything to anyone.

"And he said, 'I'm gonna take Colin Kaepernick. I not only think that he's the best quarterback in the draft, I think he's the very best player in the draft.' So I think that speaks volumes for his talent."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/gameon/2013/02/01/colin-kaepernick-2011-draft-jim-harbaugh-jack-coaches-show/1885181/

He had a garbage pile at the most important position in the game and still was able to succeed with that. It's amazing and incredible.

Harbaugh showed flawed judgement in his vision of what kind of a playbook would be successful in the NFL.

He also showed questionable talent evaluation in planning how to implement that playbook.

SO it shouldn't be any big shucks that he certainly wasn't the creative problem solving improviser you portray him to be in digging the team out of the hole that he himself was largely responsible for creating.

He had 7 all pro's on defense that beat the snot of opponents week after week, creating generational records in the process. "Amazing and incredible"?

Not really. More like "fortunate and accepting."

And don't forget the hall of famers on offense too ..., Frank Gore Anquon Joe. Plus all pros like vern, pats davis.

I mean how many hall of fame players do you need to get in the playoffs?

I guess for harbs, more than 5.

Lol apparently Kap drafted himself.

Harbaugh wouldn't have done jacks**t with a QB like Jimmy. He'd handcuff him with his crayon/coloring book playbook and have him play in a dunderhead Schembechler offense.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

The GM makes the picks. Not the head coach. Dalton is garbage too. There was no great QB available to him on the roster. The reason they were looking at QB's is Alex Smith was on the roster. They knew they had to improve that. He didn't have a good situation there. If he had Peyton Manning on the roster they would not have been looking at QB's. That's not exactly what he had though.

He had a chance to have Peyton Manning on the roster. Peyton passed for Denver.

Not sure those dark years was worth the humiliation that came with it as a fan.. But it's all good now so what's it matter..

Originally posted by RTFirefly:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by 49erswin:
You have to consider the whole picture... It took years of futility and firing multiple coaches and Baalke for Jed to accept responsibility for his role in micromanaging and destroying the team. Prior to that he kept blaming everyone else. Finally, Jed agreed to step back and was able to land a quality GM and coach.

Was it necessary to go through so many bad coaches and losing seasons while rebuilding, probably not. But in terms of teaching young Jed his limits, it was.

Now in terms of comparing Harbaugh and Shanahan... It's like comparing Roosevelt and Lincoln as presidents. Times and situations are different. Harbaugh had to deal with an immature Jed, Baalke as the GM, and Smith and Kaepernick as QBs. He hired Manusky and Fangio as his assistants, took the team to the superbowl, and got NFL coach of the year in 2011. Shanahan is in a much more favorable situation and would likely accomplish a lot more with Jed stepping back, Lynch as a GM, and Garoppolo as the QB.

Agreed. I was just going to post something along similar lines and I saw your post. The biggest benefit was for Jed York to grow up and keep his fingers out of the cooking.

What you call growing up I call Jed realizing his actions and ego have the whole of the bay area ready to kick his ass. The whole "you don't fire the owner" bit and hate from Eddie's kids have hopefully put his ego in check for at least a while.

I think it was the completion of his cabana in my hometown, that mansion up in the foothills. Keeps him occupied.

That famed cabana!! Yes

Actually y'all are forgetting Jed's parents threatened to take the keys out his hand if he didn't straighten up lol.

Thank God these down years were shorter than in the 00's (awful from 2003-2010) 2015-2018 were horrid too. We drafted much better in this time.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

He had a garbage pile at the most important position in the game and still was able to succeed with that. It's amazing and incredible.

Harbaugh showed flawed judgement in his vision of what kind of a playbook would be successful in the NFL.

He also showed questionable talent evaluation in planning how to implement that playbook.

SO it shouldn't be any big shucks that he certainly wasn't the creative problem solving improviser you portray him to be in digging the team out of the hole that he himself was largely responsible for creating.

He had 7 all pro's on defense that beat the snot of opponents week after week, creating generational records in the process. "Amazing and incredible"?

Not really. More like "fortunate and accepting."

And don't forget the hall of famers on offense too ..., Frank Gore Anquon Joe. Plus all pros like vern, pats davis.

I mean how many hall of fame players do you need to get in the playoffs?

I guess for harbs, more than 5.

All those all pros couldn't win more than 7 games before he arrived

Originally posted by IrishCrnjo:

Originally posted by goldlame2013:

LOL,I know I'm gonna get stoned for this but think about it. Let's go back to 2014. Is Jim Harbaugh a better coach than Kyle Shanahan? Is Colin Kaepernick a better QB than Jimmy G? Is the old 3-4 defense we ran better than the 4-3 we got talent and all? Is Baalke better than Lynch. I know we suffered through horrible regimes. Tomsula/Kelly/Baalke was horrible. But it led to us having a young genius as coach. Good draft picks. The return of the West Coast offense. The return of the 4-3. We got as far as we were gonna with Harbaugh/Kap. It sucked what we went through, but it looks like it was worth it.

Kyle > Harbaugh
49ers defense in the Harbaugh era is easily better than ours now (our defense has been crap lately)
Baalke was simply an abysmal drafter Lynch has had his misses too, in both the draft and FA, so it's hard to say
And why even ask if Jimmy is better than Colon Krapernick?

But that doesn't mean hiring Tomsula and Chip was best for us.

I mean........I got alot of laundry done and did stuff in the community...