Will we be able to afford & keep our D-line intact?

Originally posted by ProfessorKel:

Originally posted by TonyStarks:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Got to keep AA - hopefully, he gives us a home town discount, otherwise franchise him.

I *hope* we can keep him, but also I *hope* ShanaLYnch is able to grab the opportunity if somebody offers two number 1 picks for him (if we somehow do some sort of franchise tag shenanigans) That stuff is too complicated for me. I'm waiting for AB81 to weigh in on the matter. Personally, I hope we use that 32nd pick (hope hope) in the 2020 draft on another DLineman - preferably an edge rusher. To develop behind Solomon and the rest of the first round DLinemen.

AB81 got parking lot bullied out of here by some useless dbags.

It happened. It happened and we let it happen.

Wait, seriously?

He's such a valued member here. That's awful.

Unfortunately, yes. SMH.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
The more important question is will I be able to afford living in the bay area

The better question is if Armstead is able to afford to live in the Bay Area when he gets his second contract. It may be awfully tight.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by theduke85:
I'm seeing a lot of optimism about keeping AA, but even Lynch himself has cast doubt on whether we're going to be able to retain him:

"Arik has been tremendous for us this year ... Arik's going to make a lot of money, whether it's with us or somebody else. He's playing really well and bringing a lot to the table.

So we're glad we have him, and we're going to work hard to try to keep him, but you can only sign so many."

These comments were from a bit earlier in the season. Maybe, since he ended up having such a great season, AA has gone from a "nice to have" to a "must have" in the FO's eyes. We'll see what happens though.

That's also must have for a lot of bottom feeding teams that have a lot more cap space than we do, unfortunately.

Of course. The advantage SF has is that they can franchise him and render those teams with a lot of cap space irrelevant. The question is can they fit AA's franchise tag number under the cap, and take care of all of the other housekeeping they need to do - that's where I have some doubts.

No. Armstead is a goner. There is no way we pay a guy money after one healthy season. Armstead was injured and did not have any impact during his previous years before this one. My best guess is Street takes his role next season.

You have to have the brutal efficiency and the cold blooded nature of a personnel man like Bill Walsh to run an NFL franchise, and Walsh did not have to deal with an NFL cap. He sure made decisions like he was hampered by one, however.

He had no problem with cutting early Super Bowl stars like Dan Bunz, Dwaine Board, Fred Dean, Freddie Soloman and many others. If you compare the roster from the 1981 squad to 1988, you'll find that Walsh essentially rebuilt the team. Not many players would get long-term deals under Walsh. He was pretty brutal about it.

So, no, Armstead does not survive. But, hopefully, he gets a ring.

Originally posted by billbird2111:
No. Armstead is a goner. There is no way we pay a guy money after one healthy season. Armstead was injured and did not have any impact during his previous years before this one. My best guess is Street takes his role next season.

You have to have the brutal efficiency and the cold blooded nature of a personnel man like Bill Walsh to run an NFL franchise, and Walsh did not have to deal with an NFL cap. He sure made decisions like he was hampered by one, however.

He had no problem with cutting early Super Bowl stars like Dan Bunz, Dwaine Board, Fred Dean, Freddie Soloman and many others. If you compare the roster from the 1981 squad to 1988, you'll find that Walsh essentially rebuilt the team. Not many players would get long-term deals under Walsh. He was pretty brutal about it.

So, no, Armstead does not survive. But, hopefully, he gets a ring.

You don't want to pay AA because he was injured in previous years but think Street who has been injured ever since we drafted him and has barely played, is going to replace him. Other than saving money, that wouldn't help the team.

Tough to do. Have to extend Buck, Kittle, Ward. Tartt, and the list goes on. If you want that much money tied up in the D line you have to release solly, McKinnon , Goodwin, maybe Coleman:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by billbird2111:

No. Armstead is a goner. There is no way we pay a guy money after one healthy season. Armstead was injured and did not have any impact during his previous years before this one. My best guess is Street takes his role next season.

You have to have the brutal efficiency and the cold blooded nature of a personnel man like Bill Walsh to run an NFL franchise, and Walsh did not have to deal with an NFL cap. He sure made decisions like he was hampered by one, however.

He had no problem with cutting early Super Bowl stars like Dan Bunz, Dwaine Board, Fred Dean, Freddie Soloman and many others. If you compare the roster from the 1981 squad to 1988, you'll find that Walsh essentially rebuilt the team. Not many players would get long-term deals under Walsh. He was pretty brutal about it.

So, no, Armstead does not survive. But, hopefully, he gets a ring.

You don't want to pay AA because he was injured in previous years but think Street who has been injured ever since we drafted him and has barely played, is going to replace him. Other than saving money, that wouldn't help the team.

It was a numbers game. I doubt Street was really injured, but IR is a way to stash players you want to keep. The decision to place Street on IR was also a clear sign that the 49ers were going to activate Dee Ford, which they did.

Sorry, but Lynch has already indicated that Armstead will not get a huge free agent deal. That's life in pro football. You can't hold onto everyone. Hopefully, Armstead does get a nice FA deal from another team. He deserves it.

I just don't think he gets that contract from the 49ers. Just my opinion.

Originally posted by billbird2111:
No. Armstead is a goner. There is no way we pay a guy money after one healthy season. Armstead was injured and did not have any impact during his previous years before this one. My best guess is Street takes his role next season.

You have to have the brutal efficiency and the cold blooded nature of a personnel man like Bill Walsh to run an NFL franchise, and Walsh did not have to deal with an NFL cap. He sure made decisions like he was hampered by one, however.

He had no problem with cutting early Super Bowl stars like Dan Bunz, Dwaine Board, Fred Dean, Freddie Soloman and many others. If you compare the roster from the 1981 squad to 1988, you'll find that Walsh essentially rebuilt the team. Not many players would get long-term deals under Walsh. He was pretty brutal about it.

So, no, Armstead does not survive. But, hopefully, he gets a ring.

Look at the years he cut those guys. He didn't cut those guys in the prime of their career. Using your Bill Walsh analogy, he gets 2 to 3 more years out of AA, then cuts/trades him. This is like cutting Freddie Solomon in 81 or Fred Dean in 82. Unless Armstead absolutely wants top dollar, we can make this work. I think anywhere from 10 to 15 million is doable for the short term. He won't play out the entire contract because we have higher guys on the pecking order whose deals will expire (Bosa in particular) OR AA can opt for the short term deal of 2 to 3 years at 10 to 15 million and then have a shot at a third big money contract. He'd still be under 30 and have several prime years left, while likely he has a legit shot at being an All-Pro/multi-time Pro Bowler and in A LOT of prime time games on this Dline for a few more seasons. He also has a much easier job facing guards or tackles usually one on one because it is suicide to consistently double any one guy on this Dline. I see Subway commercials in this guy's future with that belly rub sack celebration lol. And that will only drive his price tag higher in 2 years, provided he is healthy :-).

Originally posted by Mooseman:

Tough to do. Have to extend Buck, Kittle, Ward. Tartt, and the list goes on. If you want that much money tied up in the D line you have to release solly, McKinnon , Goodwin, maybe Coleman:

Ok. Whats wrong with that

Originally posted by billbird2111:
No. Armstead is a goner. There is no way we pay a guy money after one healthy season. Armstead was injured and did not have any impact during his previous years before this one. My best guess is Street takes his role next season.

You have to have the brutal efficiency and the cold blooded nature of a personnel man like Bill Walsh to run an NFL franchise, and Walsh did not have to deal with an NFL cap. He sure made decisions like he was hampered by one, however.

He had no problem with cutting early Super Bowl stars like Dan Bunz, Dwaine Board, Fred Dean, Freddie Soloman and many others. If you compare the roster from the 1981 squad to 1988, you'll find that Walsh essentially rebuilt the team. Not many players would get long-term deals under Walsh. He was pretty brutal about it.

So, no, Armstead does not survive. But, hopefully, he gets a ring.

with the key drafts to replace/upgrade

'85 - Jerry Rice (moving up via trade with the Patriots - otherwise Dallas may have ended up with him)

'86 - an absolute bonanza :
Larry Roberts, DE. Alabama
Tom Rathman, RB. Nebraska
Tim McKyer, DB. Texas-Arlington
John Taylor, WR. Delaware State
Charles Haley, DE. James Madison
Steve Wallace, OT. Auburn
Kevin f*gan, DE. Miami
Don Griffin, DB. Middle Tennessee State

'87 - Harris Barton

'88 - Daniel Stubbs, Pierce Holt, Bill Romanowski, and Chet Brooks

I think McKinnon and Goodwin are probably History now. I think Paraag can work a deal with Armstead.

By the way, Billbird, Street was injured all right. It dropped him from a projected 1st or 2nd round pick to a long-shot 4th rounder. With his injury history I can't see Lynch replacing Armstead with Street. If it had to happen I would imagine that Thomas would get the call but I think Armstead will be back.

Originally posted by billbird2111:
It was a numbers game. I doubt Street was really injured, but IR is a way to stash players you want to keep. The decision to place Street on IR was also a clear sign that the 49ers were going to activate Dee Ford, which they did.

Sorry, but Lynch has already indicated that Armstead will not get a huge free agent deal. That's life in pro football. You can't hold onto everyone. Hopefully, Armstead does get a nice FA deal from another team. He deserves it.

I just don't think he gets that contract from the 49ers. Just my opinion.

You may be right but that would still be a drop off in talent. Haven't seen much of Street but at this point he's not even close to AA. Lynch said that about the contract but that's all part of negotiations. He's not going to come out and say we're ready to give AA anything he wants. He may be willing to take a little less so he can stay near his family and friends and remain part of an outstanding line with the potential to be an all time great line. I don't know how important that is to him.

FYI : They like Street inside, he is not seen as an inside out player like AA is.

Originally posted by billbird2111:
No. Armstead is a goner. There is no way we pay a guy money after one healthy season. Armstead was injured and did not have any impact during his previous years before this one. My best guess is Street takes his role next season.

You have to have the brutal efficiency and the cold blooded nature of a personnel man like Bill Walsh to run an NFL franchise, and Walsh did not have to deal with an NFL cap. He sure made decisions like he was hampered by one, however.

He had no problem with cutting early Super Bowl stars like Dan Bunz, Dwaine Board, Fred Dean, Freddie Soloman and many others. If you compare the roster from the 1981 squad to 1988, you'll find that Walsh essentially rebuilt the team. Not many players would get long-term deals under Walsh. He was pretty brutal about it.

So, no, Armstead does not survive. But, hopefully, he gets a ring.

We totally can do it for 1 season. There are not a lot of other big names due this off season. Yes we can. Yes we can for 1 off season. Then if we want the salary to drop off we let him go the next off season.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Look at the years he cut those guys. He didn't cut those guys in the prime of their career. Using your Bill Walsh analogy, he gets 2 to 3 more years out of AA, then cuts/trades him. This is like cutting Freddie Solomon in 81 or Fred Dean in 82. Unless Armstead absolutely wants top dollar, we can make this work. I think anywhere from 10 to 15 million is doable for the short term. He won't play out the entire contract because we have higher guys on the pecking order whose deals will expire (Bosa in particular) OR AA can opt for the short term deal of 2 to 3 years at 10 to 15 million and then have a shot at a third big money contract. He'd still be under 30 and have several prime years left, while likely he has a legit shot at being an All-Pro/multi-time Pro Bowler and in A LOT of prime time games on this Dline for a few more seasons. He also has a much easier job facing guards or tackles usually one on one because it is suicide to consistently double any one guy on this Dline. I see Subway commercials in this guy's future with that belly rub sack celebration lol. And that will only drive his price tag higher in 2 years, provided he is healthy :-).

I seriously doubt Armstead will take anywhere close to 10 mil a year, nor want a short team deal. Especially with long term contracts on the horizon. I can see on the open market, at his age getting 13-15 mil a year/5 years with 30-40 guaranteed.

Isn't the collective bargaining agreement expiring this year or next. That raises the possibility of a strike and may effect contract negotiations.