How to defend Chiefs Offense?

Originally posted by Stanley:
I find it hard to believe Mahomes is as quick as Wilson. Wilson's first step and quickness in small areas is what makes him almost impossible to grab in the pocket.

Which is why Kap struggled. He had open field straight line speed, but zero quickness or mobility with those long ass legs.

Wilson and Murray are also smaller QBs with the ability to turtle and make themselves an even smaller target. Mahomes is a giant compared to those guys.

The thing with rushing to contain is that it can restrict what the edge players can do. Essentially neutralizing the edge player's freedom to attack the OT inside, which Bosa in particular likes to do. Stunting with the DE and DT now puts the DT on the outside trying to chase down Mahomes if he escapes the pocket.
Now, if they line up Ford at DT and Buckner at DE, and then stunt, now Ford is the one chasing down Mahomes on the outside.

Originally posted by thl408:
The thing with rushing to contain is that it can restrict what the edge players can do. Essentially neutralizing the edge player's freedom to attack the OT inside, which Bosa in particular likes to do. Stunting with the DE and DT now puts the DT on the outside trying to chase down Mahomes if he escapes the pocket.
Now, if they line up Ford at DT and Buckner at DE, and then stunt, now Ford is the one chasing down Mahomes on the outside.

Or, you put Bosa and Ford on the same side and they can stunt, Ford can have a 2-way go on the guard and if they double him, you have DeFo 1v1 on their guard....You could even put DeFo and AA on the edges in an obvious passing situation and have Bosa and Ford inside.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by thl408:
The thing with rushing to contain is that it can restrict what the edge players can do. Essentially neutralizing the edge player's freedom to attack the OT inside, which Bosa in particular likes to do. Stunting with the DE and DT now puts the DT on the outside trying to chase down Mahomes if he escapes the pocket.
Now, if they line up Ford at DT and Buckner at DE, and then stunt, now Ford is the one chasing down Mahomes on the outside.

Or, you put Bosa and Ford on the same side and they can stunt, Ford can have a 2-way go on the guard and if they double him, you have DeFo 1v1 on their guard....You could even put DeFo and AA on the edges in an obvious passing situation and have Bosa and Ford inside.

Jonny,
Charley Casserly agrees with you about putting Bosa inside. Casserly said that the Chiefs interior OL are weaker than the OTs. He believes the guards are slow and the center undersized. DeFo and AA on the edges containing Mahomes in the pocket with Bosa and Ford inside wrecking the pocket would be wonderful to see.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by thl408:
The thing with rushing to contain is that it can restrict what the edge players can do. Essentially neutralizing the edge player's freedom to attack the OT inside, which Bosa in particular likes to do. Stunting with the DE and DT now puts the DT on the outside trying to chase down Mahomes if he escapes the pocket.
Now, if they line up Ford at DT and Buckner at DE, and then stunt, now Ford is the one chasing down Mahomes on the outside.

Or, you put Bosa and Ford on the same side and they can stunt, Ford can have a 2-way go on the guard and if they double him, you have DeFo 1v1 on their guard....You could even put DeFo and AA on the edges in an obvious passing situation and have Bosa and Ford inside.

If Ford can beat a Guard and apply pressure in Mahomes face that'd be optimal since Ford is the quickest DL the 49ers have and has the best chance of actually catching Mahomes on the run. The KC interior is the weak part of their OL so I expect Bosa and Ford to get moved all around the DL on 3rd downs. If KC becomes one dimensional with a non existent run game, moving Ford and Bosa around comes with no penalty even on 1st/2nd down.

Snip off the sack

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by thl408:

The thing with rushing to contain is that it can restrict what the edge players can do. Essentially neutralizing the edge player's freedom to attack the OT inside, which Bosa in particular likes to do. Stunting with the DE and DT now puts the DT on the outside trying to chase down Mahomes if he escapes the pocket.
Now, if they line up Ford at DT and Buckner at DE, and then stunt, now Ford is the one chasing down Mahomes on the outside.

Or, you put Bosa and Ford on the same side and they can stunt, Ford can have a 2-way go on the guard and if they double him, you have DeFo 1v1 on their guard....You could even put DeFo and AA on the edges in an obvious passing situation and have Bosa and Ford inside.

If Ford can beat a Guard and apply pressure in Mahomes face that'd be optimal since Ford is the quickest DL the 49ers have and has the best chance of actually catching Mahomes on the run. The KC interior is the weak part of their OL so I expect Bosa and Ford to get moved all around the DL on 3rd downs. If KC becomes one dimensional with a non existent run game, moving Ford and Bosa around comes with no penalty even on 1st/2nd down.

So we unleash the vikings gameplan that was used on NO?

Interesting...Solomon Thomas might even be able to contribute with these type of attack

The length of Buckner and AA as the contain players may even discourage quick passes

49ers #1 Ranked Pass Defense in the NFL is going to be like:

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Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
49ers #1 Ranked Pass Defense in the NFL is going to be like:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by thl408:
The thing with rushing to contain is that it can restrict what the edge players can do. Essentially neutralizing the edge player's freedom to attack the OT inside, which Bosa in particular likes to do. Stunting with the DE and DT now puts the DT on the outside trying to chase down Mahomes if he escapes the pocket.
Now, if they line up Ford at DT and Buckner at DE, and then stunt, now Ford is the one chasing down Mahomes on the outside.

Or, you put Bosa and Ford on the same side and they can stunt, Ford can have a 2-way go on the guard and if they double him, you have DeFo 1v1 on their guard....You could even put DeFo and AA on the edges in an obvious passing situation and have Bosa and Ford inside.

If Ford can beat a Guard and apply pressure in Mahomes face that'd be optimal since Ford is the quickest DL the 49ers have and has the best chance of actually catching Mahomes on the run. The KC interior is the weak part of their OL so I expect Bosa and Ford to get moved all around the DL on 3rd downs. If KC becomes one dimensional with a non existent run game, moving Ford and Bosa around comes with no penalty even on 1st/2nd down.

I think there is something else we need to be concerned about and it is not getting to Mahomes in 3 seconds. Mahomes is highly successful in the 2.5 to 2.8 second range. We need to expect a Drew Brees type quick throws. KC's plan will be to get it out of Mahomes' hands before our DL gets there which will eventually tire our DL out.

KC is excellent at designing quick-hitting passing plays in screens, draws, and shovel passes. They can do this due to their speed on O and the creative play-design of Reid.

I think that in the beginning, our DL hold back a little and keep the heads on a swivel for traps, misdirections, and screens. If we can blow these quick plays up, then we will start getting to Mahomes. I'm sure they will still sneak in 2 or 3 screens that go for 20, but we must hold back a little and be smart and patient from the start.

I just hope that Reid doesn't use Saleh's aggression against him and hope that Saleh keeps our defense aware.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by thl408:

The thing with rushing to contain is that it can restrict what the edge players can do. Essentially neutralizing the edge player's freedom to attack the OT inside, which Bosa in particular likes to do. Stunting with the DE and DT now puts the DT on the outside trying to chase down Mahomes if he escapes the pocket.
Now, if they line up Ford at DT and Buckner at DE, and then stunt, now Ford is the one chasing down Mahomes on the outside.

Or, you put Bosa and Ford on the same side and they can stunt, Ford can have a 2-way go on the guard and if they double him, you have DeFo 1v1 on their guard....You could even put DeFo and AA on the edges in an obvious passing situation and have Bosa and Ford inside.

If Ford can beat a Guard and apply pressure in Mahomes face that'd be optimal since Ford is the quickest DL the 49ers have and has the best chance of actually catching Mahomes on the run. The KC interior is the weak part of their OL so I expect Bosa and Ford to get moved all around the DL on 3rd downs. If KC becomes one dimensional with a non existent run game, moving Ford and Bosa around comes with no penalty even on 1st/2nd down.

I think there is something else we need to be concerned about and it is not getting to Mahomes in 3 seconds. Mahomes is highly successful in the 2.5 to 2.8 second range. We need to expect a Drew Brees type quick throws. KC's plan will be to get it out of Mahomes' hands before our DL gets there which will eventually tire our DL out.

KC is excellent at designing quick-hitting passing plays in screens, draws, and shovel passes. They can do this due to their speed on O and the creative play-design of Reid.

I think that in the beginning, our DL hold back a little and keep the heads on a swivel for traps, misdirections, and screens. If we can blow these quick plays up, then we will start getting to Mahomes. I'm sure they will still sneak in 2 or 3 screens that go for 20, but we must hold back a little and be smart and patient from the start.

I just hope that Reid doesn't use Saleh's aggression against him and hope that Saleh keeps our defense aware.

True, that's what ARI did in our second game against them.

If we can take those away, their best advantage is quick throws, which Saleh and the D have been really good at setting QB's up for trap plays. We set the bait, lure him in and then spring the trap when Sherman gets a p6

jd, how do you think the 49ers play the Chiefs RPOs? Defending the Chiefs RPOs and deep throws are two very different things and the 49ers may have to choose which to defend on any particular play. RPOs kill zone so perhaps the 49ers use man coverage to help defend that. But man coverage can leave the 49ers vulnerable to intermediate crossers and deep throws.

Give Saleh a good spit shine throughout the entire event, keep that Acorn shiny af

Pedal to the medal, Shanny got this...

Have Shakira shake dat ass on the Queefs' sidelines and tell our guys not to pay attention

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
49ers #1 Ranked Pass Defense in the NFL is going to be like: