York ownership vs Debartolo ownership results.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Give me a break you guys riding Jed's jock. Jed gets so bad for so long they stockpile top 3, top 5, top 10 picks and eventually get "better." But they spend 90% of 20 years at the absolute bottom. Occasionally getting so bad for so long they go back up. But the Yorks can never win the big one. We don't have to pretend that there is some genius here.......

Eddie Debartolo on the other hand stayed at the top with rare down years. He also put 5 Lombardi trophies in the case. Totally different scenarios.

You're trying to compare two vastly different eras. Debartolo was a great owner, there also was no salary cap so all he had to do was be willing to spend more than the other owners for talent. That option is no longer available. Now its about hiring the best people that you can and then getting out of their way. And just because you hire good people doesn't mean you automatically win it all. There's plenty of other owners across this league hiring good people and hoping to win. You need the right people in place to win and to win it all, you need quite a bit of luck too. Luck when it comes to injuries, luck when it comes to the draft, there isn't some sort of math equation that you can follow to win a SB. You hire the best people you can find and after that you hope for the best.

At the moment, I don't care what the Yorks did or did not do 15 years ago. This team has a very good head coach, they have a good front office, a good young roster, there's no reason to think that they won't continue to compete for the SB for at least the next few years if not longer. As long as the Yorks keep Shanahan and Lynch together, I'll feel good about the future of this franchise.

Originally posted by 190836:

Jed and his father are the reason for our failures for the past 20 years. You can sugar coated however you want.

Bro, I can be as critical as the next guy, but the York's have really tried to turn it around. First we had Harbaugh, now Kyle. If the ball bounces a little different in a number of those big games, we could have 9 Super Bowl rings... conservatively, we should at least have two more.

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by 190836:
Jed and his father are the reason for our failures for the past 20 years. You can sugar coated however you want.

Bro, I can be as critical as the next guy, but the York's have really tried to turn it around. First we had Harbaugh, now Kyle. If the ball bounces a little different in a number of those big games, we could have 9 Super Bowl rings... conservatively, we should at least have two more.

We should have a perfect record in Super Bowls. Should have beat the Ravens and beat the Chiefs.

Originally posted by 49ersOnMINE:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Yorks can't win the big game. And they only once in a while get to the big game by sucking for so long they stockpile high 1st round picks and eventually get better as a result. They go through cycles if being so bad for so long they get good again. The Yorks "good" is good enough to get you a big game loss.

Ok you're blaming the York's and yes we all know they were bad but what did you want Jed to do to win this SB? Or what do you expect from them? Did you want them to start getting in between football decisions again?

He won't answer your post because he has no answer. His entire premise of the thread is to get a rise and reaction and stir the pot.

This franchise has gone to the SB twice under the Yorks. Neither loss is on the ownership, and in both cases it was coaching and execution that lost us the games.

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by 190836:

Jed and his father are the reason for our failures for the past 20 years. You can sugar coated however you want.

Bro, I can be as critical as the next guy, but the York's have really tried to turn it around. First we had Harbaugh, now Kyle. If the ball bounces a little different in a number of those big games, we could have 9 Super Bowl rings... conservatively, we should at least have two more.

No more Tomsulas and Kellys

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by IrishCrnjo:

Maybe, just maybe, it had something to do with Debaratlo having Joe Montana?

Walsh. Without Walsh, Debartolo wasn't winning a thing and yet he tried to fire him over and over again. It was largely due to the intervention of Carmen Policy that kept it from turning into exactly what happened with Harbaugh. If Debartolo hadn't been such a hothead, maybe Walsh sticks it out longer instead of retiring after only 3 SB's because he was just flat out worn down by the BS.

LOL

Stop it

Their records as owners speak foe themselves.

York didn't go on the field and allowed a 44 yard pass.. York didn't make the call for Frank Gore not to run in the loss vs the Ravens. We played in 2 super bows in the last 10 years.. can't say that for half of the league.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

LOL

Stop it

Their records as owners speak foe themselves.

I'm sorry did I say something inaccurate? Its pretty common knowledge that Debartolo and Walsh had issues and there were flat out screaming matches that went on between them that Policy and McVay has to get in the middle of, with Debartolo threatening to fire Walsh on several occasions. Walsh himself alluded to the deteriorating relationship with Debartolo as a major reason for him stepping away from the team. I'm so sorry that offends you.

What do Nolan, Singletary, Tomsula, Shanahan and Harbaugh have in common? Not one was ever a head coach in the NFL. They hired Chip Kelly and threw him under the bus at the opening press conference. Harbaugh was bringing an identity to the team and that was not the York way, goodbye. The brains or lack there of is Dr. John York. Coach Walsh once described him as someone who monitors piss bottles. It all boils down to Eddie D is a sportsman who hated losing. The Yorks can't be called sportsmen, maybe money-men is better suited. Jed York couldn't cut it on Wall Street and ran back to take over the franchise. His father still calls the shots, IMO.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
LOL

Stop it

Their records as owners speak foe themselves.

I'm sorry did I say something inaccurate? Its pretty common knowledge that Debartolo and Walsh had issues and there were flat out screaming matches that went on between them that Policy and McVay has to get in the middle of, with Debartolo threatening to fire Walsh on several occasions. Walsh himself alluded to the deteriorating relationship with Debartolo as a major reason for him stepping away from the team. I'm so sorry that offends you.

He meant criminal records.

Originally posted by okdkid:
He meant criminal records.

Originally posted by RishikeshA:
What do Nolan, Singletary, Tomsula, Shanahan and Harbaugh have in common? Not one was ever a head coach in the NFL. They hired Chip Kelly and threw him under the bus at the opening press conference. Harbaugh was bringing an identity to the team and that was not the York way, goodbye. The brains or lack there of is Dr. John York. Coach Walsh once described him as someone who monitors piss bottles. It all boils down to Eddie D is a sportsman who hated losing. The Yorks can't be called sportsmen, maybe money-men is better suited. Jed York couldn't cut it on Wall Street and ran back to take over the franchise. His father still calls the shots, IMO.

Just for the record, Walsh and Seifert had never been head coaches in the NFL either. During most of Eddie's leadership, there was no cap and no free agency. The cap was actually put in place because of Eddie's wild spending. You can't compare him to what is going on today.

Originally posted by RishikeshA:
What do Nolan, Singletary, Tomsula, Shanahan and Harbaugh have in common? Not one was ever a head coach in the NFL. They hired Chip Kelly and threw him under the bus at the opening press conference. Harbaugh was bringing an identity to the team and that was not the York way, goodbye. The brains or lack there of is Dr. John York. Coach Walsh once described him as someone who monitors piss bottles. It all boils down to Eddie D is a sportsman who hated losing. The Yorks can't be called sportsmen, maybe money-men is better suited. Jed York couldn't cut it on Wall Street and ran back to take over the franchise. His father still calls the shots, IMO.

You realize that applies to Meyer, McCulley, Walsh, Seifert and Mariucci too right? The only retread HC that either Debartolo or the Yorks have hired was Chip Kelly....oh sorry and Erickson.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Just for the record, Walsh and Seifert had never been head coaches in the NFL either. During most of Eddie's leadership, there was no cap and no free agency. The cap was actually put in place because of Eddie's wild spending. You can't compare him to what is going on today.

We're not talking about Eddie D's reign, we're talking Yorks. If one of their coaches won a SB this thread would not be relevant. Eddie D picking Walsh and Siefert was genius. The Yorks can't say that. They had a winner in Harbaugh and threw it away.

Originally posted by RishikeshA:
We're not talking about Eddie D's reign, we're talking Yorks. If one of their coaches won a SB this thread would not be relevant. Eddie D picking Walsh and Siefert was genius. The Yorks can't say that. They had a winner in Harbaugh and threw it away.

The way they handled the Harbaugh situation was done piss poorly. I don't regret that they moved on from him though. The 49ers have a very good, innovative offensive minded young coach in Shanahan now, however they got there, I'm happy they have this current regime.