Moving Forward...What is the Plan?

Originally posted by genus49:
Yeah...that's a big fat no from me.

Mahomes is great and it's pretty clear. Is he the best QB to ever play the game already? Hell no.

However it's clear he's an elite QB talent and playing in that offense has him on track to be one of the best ever.

What some people do forget with the whole "We should've taken Mahomes" thing is Kyle clearly has a certain vision for his QBs and good or bad he wants them to play in his offense and not do their own thing.

Andy Reid allows Mahomes to make plays with his athletic ability/big arm and the Chiefs get some big plays out of it which make it very difficult to defend them(especially when their OL is allowed to hold like crazy) but we hired Kyle for a reason. Gotta accept the bad with the good.

How is he "clearly great?"

Andy Reid has never, ever, ever failed with a QB. It's not a coincidence.

And when you see how those QBs did with and without him, it's clear as day that he has a HUGE impact on their success.

Mahomes hits receivers who are open by a country mile and the announcers shove it down your throat that he's great for this, ignoring that Alex Smith did the same thing when he was there...and then went on to return to sucking for the Redskins the following season.

Hitting wide open receivers while having a strong arm does not make you great. Michael Vick did this for Reid in 2010.

It just means you're a product of a system with a strong arm.

If you put Mahomes in SF, the offense gets worse, not better. He does not throw slant passes as accurately as Jimmy. He does not buy time in the pocket as well as Jimmy. He does not have as quick a release as Jimmy.

And if he were in SF, he would not have Tyreek Hill and Mecole Hardman smoking people by 10 yards down the field. He would have Deebo Samuel, Emmanuel Sanders, and Kendrick Bourne. Only Samuel has good speed, and he ain't Hill/Hardman. No real deep threats to be found. So what's he going to add, exactly?

The fans just don't know what they're looking at.

Develop Jimmy.
Bolster interior OL.
Get a competent speedster at WR. Sanders, Deebo, Bourne are all middle of the field short/intermediate guys.
Keep the DL intact.
Win the Super Bowl.

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
BeatTheChiefs. I admire your passion. But there is literally nobody in the world who will take you seriously if you think Jimmy G is above Mahomes.

the world had said the same thing about MARINO over MONTANA back in 1984... but that's why you play the game !!

While our Defense did their job on that SUPER BOWL, Bill Walsh (RIP) created an awesome game plan OFFENSIVELY against their so called Killer Bees DEFENSE...

Saleh and our Defense held KC to 10 points for 3 quarters and Kyle " ALL FEAR " Shanahan did not TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS..

Yeah....difference is that Marino lost. And Garoppolo is no Joe Cool. I see him panicking and scared s**tless

Jimmy didn't play well but when was he panicking or scared sh*tless?

Because he closed his eyes in anticipation of a hit to his head...after standing in the pocket trying to deliver the ball in taking the hit?

A QB can not make the necessary plays without being scared.

Originally posted by thl408:
Develop Jimmy.
Bolster interior OL.
Get a competent speedster at WR. Sanders, Deebo, Bourne are all middle of the field short/intermediate guys.
Keep the DL intact.
Win the Super Bowl.

I like that take.

Originally posted by thl408:
Develop Jimmy.
Bolster interior OL.
Get a competent speedster at WR. Sanders, Deebo, Bourne are all middle of the field short/intermediate guys.
Keep the DL intact.
Win the Super Bowl.

Get a man-coverage corner

The O line could be a real problem. We already need depth and upgrades at guard but tackle could be an even bigger need if Staley retires. I don't think he will since they lost and he wants a SB ring but I'm guessing he has one ore season left. he had a lot of injuries this season and he's 37. They need to draft or sign a tackle as his replacement. If they draft one this year he'll need at least a year to develop.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
BeatTheChiefs. I admire your passion. But there is literally nobody in the world who will take you seriously if you think Jimmy G is above Mahomes.

the world had said the same thing about MARINO over MONTANA back in 1984... but that's why you play the game !!

While our Defense did their job on that SUPER BOWL, Bill Walsh (RIP) created an awesome game plan OFFENSIVELY against their so called Killer Bees DEFENSE...

Saleh and our Defense held KC to 10 points for 3 quarters and Kyle " ALL FEAR " Shanahan did not TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS..

Yeah....difference is that Marino lost. And Garoppolo is no Joe Cool. I see him panicking and scared s**tless

Jimmy didn't play well but when was he panicking or scared sh*tless?

Because he closed his eyes in anticipation of a hit to his head...after standing in the pocket trying to deliver the ball in taking the hit?

A QB can not make the necessary plays without being scared.

JIMMY played well enough to have won the MVP... if he was really uncomfy in the pocket, perhaps Kyle should have roll him out... was he not completing passes on those roll outs and bootlegs?

i recall the two TDs we had were off of roll outs.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The O line could be a real problem. We already need depth and upgrades at guard but tackle could be an even bigger need if Staley retires. I don't think he will since they lost and he wants a SB ring but I'm guessing he has one ore season left. he had a lot of injuries this season and he's 37. They need to draft or sign a tackle as his replacement. If they draft one this year he'll need at least a year to develop.

How many interviews does Joe have to give saying he's not retiring for people.

He wants to play out his contract. 2 years left.

Trade Jimmy G for the Comeback Player of the Year - Ryan Tannehill.

Release everyone.

Start over.

Originally posted by badguy_1:
Get a man-coverage corner

Need to call man coverage to truly take advantage of a man coverage corner. 49ers are predominantly a zone coverage defense. And you need more than one if you're playing true man.

Originally posted by thl408:
Develop Jimmy.
Bolster interior OL.
Get a competent speedster at WR. Sanders, Deebo, Bourne are all middle of the field short/intermediate guys.
Keep the DL intact.
Win the Super Bowl.

Well said.

49ers are missing that speedster that is so integral to Kyle's offense.They're also missing the ability to get the ball to that guy. I hope they can figure the latter part out.

Originally posted by BeatTheChiefs:

But yeah, Mahomes is just way better.

Correct.

We need to do the following, in no particular order:

- Draft interior OL help and determine whether Brunskill will ultimately be Joe's replacement.

- Evaluate T. Moore because Ward is probably gone in free agency. Attempt to restructure Tart's contract.

- Either draft or target via free agency a good corner to start opposite and eventually replace Sherman.

- Draft a late round burner at WR. We now have two bullies in Hurd and Deebo. We have two solid possession guys in Bourne and Taylor. And we, of course, still have Kittle. I don't expect Sanders back, and I don't think Pettis will make the team.

- Re-sign Ronald Blair. He in an underrated edge player. I would also look to bring back D Moore on the cheap. Armstead is likely gone unless he takes a huge hometown discount—and I don't think he will.

Originally posted by thl408:
Develop Jimmy.
Bolster interior OL.
Get a competent speedster at WR. Sanders, Deebo, Bourne are all middle of the field short/intermediate guys.
Keep the DL intact.
Win the Super Bowl.

A lot of talking heads were critical of Brett Veach spending a lot of cash on Speedy Sammy Watkins when they already had Hill, who was even faster.

Well, Watkins was the guy that broke the 49ers back last night by running right by Sherman.

Speed kills. Kyle knows it. That is why he brought Goodwin here in the first place. Unfortunately, he was a disappointment. Next...

Originally posted by titan:

Originally posted by Niner4ever:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by Niners_D:
We can simultaneously have the right guys at the helm: Lynch, front office, and Shanny. We can also simultaneously acknowledge that Shanny had some bizarre mental lapses that lost a 20-10 beat down of the Chiefs.

The ideal plan:

1. Extend Lynch and Shanny
2. Give pay raises to the front office staff tied to talent evaluation: Peters and Mayhew
3. Restructure and/or extend McKinnon, Jimmy, Kwon, Ford, and Sherman to help the cap.
4. Resign Ward, Garland, Moore, Day, and Blair.
5. Resign Armstead and Sanders if the price is reasonable
6. Extend Kittle and Buckner

Agree. And if Jimmy doesn't want to restructure after this crap, then find another solution. There are plenty of Matt Schaubs out there that Kyle can scheme up and make them look like fools gold

Agree with this.

💯 Agree! And Find more gems in the draft

I should add Staley to #3. He's making a lot and should be restructured.

Question our philosophy if we want to do this the inherently "right" way with high character guys...

...or pick up pieces of crap players like Tyreek Hill who are very talented but known wife and child beaters.