One year ago were you in the Nick Bosa Camp or Quinnen Williams be honest

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by evil:

He was provided plenty of opportunity to rush from the interior and wasn't creating a lot of pressure. He had 330 pass rush snaps and generated 19 total pressures, that put him as 80th out of 118 qualifying interior linemen.

He was a stout run defender who improved as the year went on and should continue to improve this year. But he wasn't unproductive in the pass game because of the scheme.

Exactly.

QW might end up a decent player, but Bosa might end up in the HOF. No brainer pick.

Line him up next to Buckner and he puts up bigger numbers. That was the point. No doubt about it either.

He had a very underwhelming rookie year. You cant just assume he's significantly better by being next to Buckner. He didn't generate pressure last year, and he didn't earn the respect of being double teamed either, so not sure why he would've been better as a Niner.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by evil:

He was provided plenty of opportunity to rush from the interior and wasn't creating a lot of pressure. He had 330 pass rush snaps and generated 19 total pressures, that put him as 80th out of 118 qualifying interior linemen.

He was a stout run defender who improved as the year went on and should continue to improve this year. But he wasn't unproductive in the pass game because of the scheme.

Exactly.

QW might end up a decent player, but Bosa might end up in the HOF. No brainer pick.

Line him up next to Buckner and he puts up bigger numbers. That was the point. No doubt about it either.

He had a very underwhelming rookie year. You cant just assume he's significantly better by being next to Buckner. He didn't generate pressure last year, and he didn't earn the respect of being double teamed either, so not sure why he would've been better as a Niner.

Exactly. He simply didnt produce like a top pick should, similar in many ways to Thomas. Guys like Bosa should be able to produce regardless of talent around them, take that Baldy breakdown of the attempted triple team Seattle tried on Bosa....and he still made the play. Just like Jamal Adam's was able to light up teams on an otherwise bad defense. Very good players play well regardless of who is around them. Bosa and Jamal Adam's are very good players, William's has not shown that, just like Solo hasn't shown it.

Originally posted by walker807:

Exactly. He simply didnt produce like a top pick should, similar in many ways to Thomas. Guys like Bosa should be able to produce regardless of talent around them, take that Baldy breakdown of the attempted triple team Seattle tried on Bosa....and he still made the play. Just like Jamal Adam's was able to light up teams on an otherwise bad defense. Very good players play well regardless of who is around them. Bosa and Jamal Adam's are very good players, William's has not shown that, just like Solo hasn't shown it.

You can't put him in the Solomon Thomas category. He was a rookie on a terrible team. His job in that scheme was to eat up blockers with minimal talent around him. Solomon Thomas has been playing for years on a now very talented defense and he does nothing. There is no comparison.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by walker807:

Exactly. He simply didnt produce like a top pick should, similar in many ways to Thomas. Guys like Bosa should be able to produce regardless of talent around them, take that Baldy breakdown of the attempted triple team Seattle tried on Bosa....and he still made the play. Just like Jamal Adam's was able to light up teams on an otherwise bad defense. Very good players play well regardless of who is around them. Bosa and Jamal Adam's are very good players, William's has not shown that, just like Solo hasn't shown it.

You can't put him in the Solomon Thomas category. He was a rookie on a terrible team. His job in that scheme was to eat up blockers with minimal talent around him. Solomon Thomas has been playing for years on a now very talented defense and he does nothing. There is no comparison.

Thomas was a rookie on a terrible team too . His rookie year was as good, or better, than William's. Then his sister committed suicide and the wheels fell off his development. I see absolutely no reason not to compare their rookie years.

Originally posted by walker807:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by walker807:
Exactly. He simply didnt produce like a top pick should, similar in many ways to Thomas. Guys like Bosa should be able to produce regardless of talent around them, take that Baldy breakdown of the attempted triple team Seattle tried on Bosa....and he still made the play. Just like Jamal Adam's was able to light up teams on an otherwise bad defense. Very good players play well regardless of who is around them. Bosa and Jamal Adam's are very good players, William's has not shown that, just like Solo hasn't shown it.

You can't put him in the Solomon Thomas category. He was a rookie on a terrible team. His job in that scheme was to eat up blockers with minimal talent around him. Solomon Thomas has been playing for years on a now very talented defense and he does nothing. There is no comparison.

Thomas was a rookie on a terrible team too . His rookie year was as good, or better, than William's. Then his sister committed suicide and the wheels fell off his development. I see absolutely no reason not to compare their rookie years.

Thing is as much as it hurts me to say...Thomas has had plenty of time to show he was worth that pick. And as tragic as what happened to his sister was...he hasn't shown that.

It may not be fair because we don't know the impact his sister's suicide affected his career trajectory but he's pretty much a finished product - which is a bust and clearly not worth the 3rd overall pick.

QW still has plenty of time to show he was worth the pick. Getting arrested for stupid sh*t won't help but he's got time.

All I know is I'm thrilled with Nick and hope he continues playing this well on his way to a HOF career with multiple SB rings as a 49er.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by walker807:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by walker807:

Exactly. He simply didnt produce like a top pick should, similar in many ways to Thomas. Guys like Bosa should be able to produce regardless of talent around them, take that Baldy breakdown of the attempted triple team Seattle tried on Bosa....and he still made the play. Just like Jamal Adam's was able to light up teams on an otherwise bad defense. Very good players play well regardless of who is around them. Bosa and Jamal Adam's are very good players, William's has not shown that, just like Solo hasn't shown it.

You can't put him in the Solomon Thomas category. He was a rookie on a terrible team. His job in that scheme was to eat up blockers with minimal talent around him. Solomon Thomas has been playing for years on a now very talented defense and he does nothing. There is no comparison.

Thomas was a rookie on a terrible team too . His rookie year was as good, or better, than William's. Then his sister committed suicide and the wheels fell off his development. I see absolutely no reason not to compare their rookie years.

Thing is as much as it hurts me to say...Thomas has had plenty of time to show he was worth that pick. And as tragic as what happened to his sister was...he hasn't shown that.

It may not be fair because we don't know the impact his sister's suicide affected his career trajectory but he's pretty much a finished product - which is a bust and clearly not worth the 3rd overall pick.

QW still has plenty of time to show he was worth the pick. Getting arrested for stupid sh*t won't help but he's got time.

All I know is I'm thrilled with Nick and hope he continues playing this well on his way to a HOF career with multiple SB rings as a 49er.

Yeah it wouldnt shock me one bit if QW has better 2nd and 3rd years than Thomas, shouldn't be that hard. The Thomas situation sucks but luckily nobody is hanging their season on his play. Anything you can get out of him at this point is a bonus.

Way too early to write off QW, but never too early to shame SD and his ridiculous hyperbole in pretty much every thread he participates in,

Originally posted by walker807:
Yeah it wouldnt shock me one bit if QW has better 2nd and 3rd years than Thomas, shouldn't be that hard. The Thomas situation sucks but luckily nobody is hanging their season on his play. Anything you can get out of him at this point is a bonus.

Nobody should be shocked. Why? Because QW was ASS for the 3rd overall pick. He's got nowhere to go but up from here.

Quinine Williams. I'm so glad I was wrong. Bosa is a beast.

I had Bosa. And he's only to get better

No sir!

But I like what I've seen so far.

Q putting in work! Glad to see him getting closer to reaching his grown man body.

Nick is still better, but this kid still has a very high ceiling and I'm expecting a big season from him.

I was on the Bosa camp and we have documented proof on the webzone

Originally posted by BlackGoat49:

I had Bosa. And he's only to get better

Agree. Him and Kinlaw are going to be unstoppable like Gastinue and Kleco in the olden days. San Francisco Sack exchange doesnt sound as cool as the New York Sack exchange nickname, but hopefully they will be just as effective.

I was with Q but glad Bosa worked well for us and what we already had. Looks like the right pick assuming he keeps it up