Does Jimmy G need to redeem himself from the SB?

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by ShotTime:
Our elite defense had a team at 10 points half way through the fourth quarter against a team that hadn't scored less than 20 points all year except once... our defense held more than their own, and anyone thinking we needed only 20 points to be the chiefs in the Super Bowl was being ignorant, to put it nicely.

Also you are correct, it wouldn't of been a 2 score game. I didn't notice that. Regardless, punt, punt, missed sanders = sack, and then interception is nothing to be happy nor excited about. Jimmy g had 4 opportunities/drive with this offense, and not one of those drives ended with points. That is simply not allowed vs that chiefs offense. We can sit here and say our elite defense should have held them, but that chiefs offense was also insanely good. We couldn't have nor should have expected our defense to outplay them for 4 quarters. Our defense wrecked their offense for 3 1/2 quarters. Sorry but that's all you can really ask of any defense vs that offense

So you expected the D to give up 21 straight pts in the final 7 minutes, and it was the offenses job to outpace them?

This was a defense first team, and we got them a 10 pt lead into the 4th quarter. That should've been enough.

I think his point was that given the opportunities the defense gave the offense to score, had they did, it would've demoralized the Chiefs offense and energized the defense even more instead of them just going 3 and outs and keep giving the mvp more opportunities to beat them. I don't know if this was a defense first team, it was a good defensive team, but the offense didn't even score their average which was around 27 ppg. A 17 pt 4th quarter lead is much better than a 10 point lead. That may be his point, but I could be wrong

I feel Shanahan ending to the second quarter was awful. Then the offense sputtered in the fourth. Shanahan went full retard with not running. And finally the defense broke

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

I think his point was that given the opportunities the defense gave the offense to score, had they did, it would've demoralized the Chiefs offense and energized the defense even more instead of them just going 3 and outs and keep giving the mvp more opportunities to beat them. I don't know if this was a defense first team, it was a good defensive team, but the offense didn't even score their average which was around 27 ppg. A 17 pt 4th quarter lead is much better than a 10 point lead. That may be his point, but I could be wrong

The Chiefs D played extremely well. People get caught up in how they were during most of the regular season. They were hot, and were playing really tough against us. Chris Jones probably won them the SB with those 2 batted passes. If he doesn't make those plays we probably extend a couple drives and Jimmy might be SB MVP with an entirely different legacy.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by ShotTime:

Our elite defense had a team at 10 points half way through the fourth quarter against a team that hadn't scored less than 20 points all year except once... our defense held more than their own, and anyone thinking we needed only 20 points to be the chiefs in the Super Bowl was being ignorant, to put it nicely.

Also you are correct, it wouldn't of been a 2 score game. I didn't notice that. Regardless, punt, punt, missed sanders = sack, and then interception is nothing to be happy nor excited about. Jimmy g had 4 opportunities/drive with this offense, and not one of those drives ended with points. That is simply not allowed vs that chiefs offense. We can sit here and say our elite defense should have held them, but that chiefs offense was also insanely good. We couldn't have nor should have expected our defense to outplay them for 4 quarters. Our defense wrecked their offense for 3 1/2 quarters. Sorry but that's all you can really ask of any defense vs that offense

So you expected the D to give up 21 straight pts in the final 7 minutes, and it was the offenses job to outpace them?

This was a defense first team, and we got them a 10 pt lead into the 4th quarter. That should've been enough.

I didn't expect the defense to give up 21 points. I also didn't expect the offense to fail 4 drives in a row.

I also didn't expect our defense to be holding the Kansas City chiefs offense to 10 points going into the 4th quarter.

There's a lot of things I didn't expect... the defense played amazing, top notch, elite level, for 3 1/2 quarters, that in itself should have been enough.

Also you keep saying the defense gave up 21 points etc, however, this defense intercepted and turned the ball over with a 10 point lead, giving the ball to our offense. We then 5 play punted, 3 play punted, 7 play turnover on downs, and 2 play intercepted.... if just one of those offensive drives ends in points, we very well could have been hoisting the trophy.

Kansas City's last 4 drives, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, eat the clock... 49ers last 4 drives, punt, punt, turnover on downs, interception....

Point being, our defense sucked ass the last half of the 4th, there's no denying that, but if you are leaving the debate at just that, and not seeing all the other variables, then just like we did in the jimmy g thread, we should leave this discussion with one another, and agree to disagree.

I feel it is kind of similar to Young after the 92 and 93 Championship games.

Even though you could rationally say there it was not his fault specifically the Niners lost, it was still the image of him getting creamed by Cowboys and throwing some INT's that left a bad taste in your mouth. Nevermind the D playing bad, injuries, weather, trading Haley to the Cowboys etc. that were all massive reasons why they lost.

Then he won in 94 and was beloved for the rest of his career and went straight to the HOF. Even though he really never won "the big one" again. He went from taking all the blame for the big losses to getting very little after he won a SB because it was suddenly perceived to be a lack of D, running game, etc.
(Note, he is my fav player ever so I also never blamed him lol)

If Jimmy comes up short next year I think fans will toss him in the fire, even if he plays great. That is just the difference between winning the big one and not.

Weird thing is I don't remember it being dumped all on Kap when he lost. It seemed more at Roman, Harbaugh, the refs etc. If Kap had gone to his 2nd read on the last couple plays against BAL or thrown the ball a foot higher against SEA than history would be much different but I don't think he ever took all that much crap. (Until later when it was decided by the media that he sucked).

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Jesusisreal:
Best SB memory was samuel playing hard and Ward creaming Mahomes

Which play was this? The one where Ward was hurt on the ground and Mahomes was standing over him talking s**t?

Someone may have beaten me to this by now but Mahomes wasn't talking sh*t. He was saying "great hit"...which it was.

Originally posted by kdoggie:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Yep. It was a good play. Kind of a weird one to be the best memory, but to each his own.

Really wish that ball fell dead on the field and we recovered it.

That's why Jimmy shouldn't be blamed for the loss.

So many things could've gone differently for us in that game that likely results in a W.

Kwon dropped a would be pick 6 earlier in the game.
That fumble going out of bounds.
Refs call a flag here or there and it's a totally different game
Chris Jones misses one of those batted passes and we likely win

Too many different things to pin it all on one player or coach.

Originally posted by bigmur49:

I feel it is kind of similar to Young after the 92 and 93 Championship games.

Even though you could rationally say there it was not his fault specifically the Niners lost, it was still the image of him getting creamed by Cowboys and throwing some INT's that left a bad taste in your mouth. Nevermind the D playing bad, injuries, weather, trading Haley to the Cowboys etc. that were all massive reasons why they lost.

Then he won in 94 and was beloved for the rest of his career and went straight to the HOF. Even though he really never won "the big one" again. He went from taking all the blame for the big losses to getting very little after he won a SB because it was suddenly perceived to be a lack of D, running game, etc.
(Note, he is my fav player ever so I also never blamed him lol)

If Jimmy comes up short next year I think fans will toss him in the fire, even if he plays great. That is just the difference between winning the big one and not.

Weird thing is I don't remember it being dumped all on Kap when he lost. It seemed more at Roman, Harbaugh, the refs etc. If Kap had gone to his 2nd read on the last couple plays against BAL or thrown the ball a foot higher against SEA than history would be much different but I don't think he ever took all that much crap. (Until later when it was decided by the media that he sucked).

The media never decided he sucked. And many fans here and on various other boards I read we're seeing Kaepernicks flaws and limitations well before the super bowl run...

He was decided to have sucked because he was unable to run the read option every other player, he started having a difficult time reading defenses, and the play where we had a wide open wide receiver lined up against I believe the rams and he didn't audible out of the run backed up into our 5 yard line really did him in. It seemed as once he started receiving blame, he folded and played worse and worse. Sorry to be off topic but it's simply not the media who decides who sucks and who doesn't...

Does Pettis like cats

Nah. Shanahan does though, choked 2 SB's away. Seems to be forming a pattern.

nope. i'm not defining the player for his play in one qtr. the Niners wouldn't have even made it to the Super Bowl without him.

Originally posted by ninersrule4:
I'm still having nightmares over him missing Sanders. I don't know if I will ever forget that

Doesn't overthrow Ruggs or Jeudy. Probably not possible with Ruggs.

It's lazy narrative. The busted coverage on Hill and Jones wrecking the Oline lost the game.

Sherman has a bigger question mark over his head than anyone. And Person is now gone.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Hell yea...i can close my eyes and just watch that ball sail over Sanders head.

People focus on that play way too much. It would've been a tough deep ball to drop over top of the coverage, and even if he hit Sanders, Mahomes had been moving the ball at will against our D, and would've had nearly 2 minutes to answer.

Bruh to miss a wide open wr that would give you the lead isn't focusing too much. Maybe the defense gets a turnover and closes it out. Maybe they fumble the kickoff.

Nah...